Is this redundant?

[Nate]

The other day, I was out driving with my mom, when we passed a place that called itself an "Italian restaurant and grill." I said that was redundant. My mom said it wasn't, because they wanted people to know there was a specific type of cooking device there. I said that was silly, it'd be like if I opened a steakhouse and called it "Nate's steakhouse and oven."

To me, it's redundant. If you just call it an Italian grill, it covers the fact you want people to know there is grilling there, I don't think anyone would look at it and say "Oh wow, an Italian grill! Oh but wait, it doesn't specifically say it's a restaurant, so maybe we can't eat there. Maybe they just sell Italian made grills or something." There's no need to say the word "restaurant" in it specifically. See, I'd just be fine with just "Italian restaurant" but if you feel you HAVE to mention the grill, just say "Italian grill."

Well, what do you think? Is there any logical reason to say both words, and is it redundant as I claim?

[Yuki-Anne]

I think you have a point. But then, if you only said, "Italian Grill," some people might get the idea that it was only things cooked on a grill, and be like, "Grilled pasta? That's just nasty."

[Nate]

Okay, so then what's the problem with just "Italian restaurant"?

[ich1990]

Okay, so then what's the problem with just "Italian restaurant"?

They might only sell pasta and not grilled stuff.

[Furen]

Italian Grilled Restaurant (but then again I guess they could think the restaurant is grilled with Italian spices...)

[Hiryu]

Many places use "Blank Restaurant and Grill" I don't really find it redundant, because Italian Restaurants don't have a lot of "grilled items" anyway, so the "& grill" lets people know that they serve not only Italian, but Grilled items like Steak and Hamburgers. Or, they could blend the two.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Restaurant gives the appearance of fine cuisine, I think. Or rather, things like sandwiches, pasta, etc. Whereas Grill sounds like steaks and stuff.

[Fish and Chips]

I think you have a point. But then, if you only said, "Italian Grill," some people might get the idea that it was only things cooked on a grill, and be like, "Grilled pasta? That's just nasty."

Okay, so then what's the problem with just "Italian restaurant"?

They might only sell pasta and not grilled stuff.

This thread is off to a great start.

[Yuki-Anne]

This thread is off to a great start.

I know, right?

[Midori]

Italian Restaurant With Grill.

Problem?

[ABlipinTime]

Grillitaliano Restauranto?

[ChristianKitsune]

Yah, whenever I think Italian, I think of Pastas and Salads and Pizza...but since they have a grill in the name, then I know they also do other things that require grilling...

It's not redundant because most people should know that when we use the word, "grill" it can be more than a noun, it can be an adjective!

[goldenspines]

Not to mess up all your awesome points here, but there's actually a restaurant here called "The Macaroni Grill". XDD;

That being said, I think the word "grill" is often attached to restaurant names to emphasize (or rather, clarify) their variety. Restaurant names are like little advertisements for the food there. Many places take a different approach to this, but sometimes, they tend to over explain things. 'Cause, I dunno, maybe someone would go to a place just because it had "grill" in the name because they like grilled things? XD; Even if the presence of a grill should be a given, some people just need concrete evidence.

That's my best guess. XD;

[Htom Sirveaux]

Perhaps to avoid confusion, it should be renamed, "Eat Food Here".

[Fish and Chips]

Perhaps to avoid confusion, it should be renamed, "Eat Food Here".

I'm going to open a chain of restaurants across the country.

It's gonna be called Food Place.

[Okami]

Perhaps to avoid confusion, it should be renamed, "Eat Food Here".

*like* Ahaha.

[Yuki-Anne]

Perhaps to avoid confusion, it should be renamed, "Eat Food Here".

I have actually eaten at a diner called "EAT."

[ShiroiHikari]

There's a diner here in town called The Diner. No joke.

http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/46/500467/restaurant/Oklahoma-City/Diner-Norman

[Kaligraphic]

I've eaten at a place called "Good Stuff". I wanted to open two competitors, one on either side. Call one "Better Stuff", and the other "Mediocre, But Cheaper Stuff".

And, across the street, "Evil Stuff".

[Nate]

I can't believe people are defending this! Maybe I should open "Nate's Chinese Restaurant and Pressure Cooker" or "Nate's Burgers and Crock Pot" or "Nate's Mexican Restaurant and Stove."

[Midori]

I heard someone saying that if you're traveling the country and want to eat, never eat at a restaurant called Mom's. Unless the only other place in town is called Eats. Then eat at Mom's.

[Htom Sirveaux]

There's a place down the street from me called Camp Hill Family Restaurant, but the name of it is only on the door. Above it, in huge letters, is "RESTAURANT". So we just call the place Restaurant.

[ABlipinTime]

I can't believe people are defending this! Maybe I should open "Nate's Chinese Restaurant and Pressure Cooker" or "Nate's Burgers and Crock Pot" or "Nate's Mexican Restaurant and Stove."

"Restaurant" implies that you have a kitchen with things such as a pressure cooker or crock pot or stove. I doubt there are many people who would put a grill in their kitchen much less associate "grill" with "restaurant". In that sense, it should be clear why people are "defending" the idea. But whatever - there's nothing wrong with redundancy (except that it can get expensive), and that's coming from someone who doesn't usually defend the Department of Redundancy Department.

[Tsukuyomi]

Hmmm, perhaps, Italian Food and Grill? I dunno, but Italian Restaurant and Grill does have a silly ring to it.. lol

[Ella Edric]

Hmmm, perhaps, Italian Food and Grill? I dunno, but Italian Restaurant and Grill does have a silly ring to it.. lol

Im with Tsuki on this one. lol

[Lynna]

XDDD I can see this Thread heading to goof off in 3, 2, 1...

I think it's a little redundant but then again...Why doesn't the restrant just have an acctuall name, and then put " Italian & Grill" underneath or something? Then it would be Italian AND Grill, so people know it's Italian, and it has a grill, without the whole "resturant" thingy

[armeck]

i think italian grill is best. i don't think someone would thing they sell grills there...

[That Dude]

I think you should call it, "a place to eat italian themed food, whether it be fresh or grilled." I would totally go there. I also think it'd be cool seeing a restaurant called "Yum."

[Nate]

I doubt there are many people who would put a grill in their kitchen much less associate "grill" with "restaurant".

Who wouldn't associate a grill with a restaurant? You're telling me if you saw a sign for The Macaroni Grill (which Mary already mentioned) you would go "Well, it doesn't say it's a restaurant, so I'll assume you can't eat there!" I guess you can't eat at Waffle House either, or International House of Pancakes...after all, they're clearly just people's houses, not places to eat.

This is why it's stupid to have both the words grill AND restaurant. I mean people in the US are incredibly dumb, but I'd like to think they're not so dumb that they'd see a place called an Italian restaurant and get upset because it doesn't specifically mention grills. Or see a sign for an Italian grill and assume that there isn't a regular restaurant.

And if people ARE that stupid, well, why would you want them eating at your restaurant anyway? They're probably so stupid they'd drive the car into your freaking wall, or forget to pay, or die from falling over onto the table because they FORGOT HOW TO BREATHE.

[Yuki-Anne]

notalwaysright.com .

People are that dumb. "Yes, I can see that it's a grill... BUT IS IT A RESTAURANT?!"