could a 12 yr. old handle inuyasha, rurouni kenshin manga, or full metal alchemist?
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I agree with the post that basically said that it depends on your own maturity level, but the main issue I see is parental approval. In the end, it comes down to whether your father believes these titles to be appropriate. You can present your issues and explain the details and even share the comments shared here (which have been well presented), but in the end it is important to repect the final decision of your parent. It may not be popular but ultimately he is looking out for what he thinks to be in your best interest.
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johnyouth wrote:I agree with the post that basically said that it depends on your own maturity level, but the main issue I see is parental approval. In the end, it comes down to whether your father believes these titles to be appropriate. You can present your issues and explain the details and even share the comments shared here (which have been well presented), but in the end it is important to repect the final decision of your parent. It may not be popular but ultimately he is looking out for what he thinks to be in your best interest.
yes. i agree that is also a major issue.
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Sami_jane wrote:personally i think you need to be a little older to watch FMA. like the rest of you i think the plot isnt meant for those of a younger age. full metal alchemist while a good show and has its funny parts most of it is full of murder, rebellion,and war. the ishbala masacre is an example of all that put into one really. my point is tho with all that happens in this anime you need to be mature enough to at least understand what is going on. i think that a 12 year old (depending on how mature they are) may not understand all taht is happening in the show and could even possibly be influenced by the violence. not to mention FMA isnt exactly a christian anime. the main character is athiest and shows it a lot of the time. As for inuyasha...it doesnt quite have as serious of a plot as FMA and its really not that hard to understand. As long as the person realizes that the demons arent real, other than the occasional cussing i think a 12 yr old could watch it. i think someone above said that it has breif nudity in it but its not as bad as it sounds. They dont actually show anything. i can only think of one account where they didnt cover up but it wasnt detailed..it looked like he was wearing skin tights or something. i have only seen a handful of ruroni kenshin episodes so i really couldnt tell you on that one.
Wait a minuet what do you mean demons arent real? Demons are real, and while not in the form showed in Inuyasha, demons are very real. And I think that I would rather have a 12 year old (I'm 13, but I have opinions) read and watch Fullmetal Alchemist then Inuyasha.
I started reading FMA when I was 12 or 11 and I understood everything perfectly still do (of course I read Battle Royale when I was 11 and Stephen King when I was 12). Really the end of the matter is it's up to him and his parents not us.
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memmer66 wrote:Wait a minuet what do you mean demons arent real? Demons are real, and while not in the form showed in Inuyasha, demons are very real.
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i was about to post that but, i find there is no need to now.
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- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
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- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
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For series like what are being discussed, FMA, RK and IY, it would be a little hard for a parent to give a blanket approval to watch. The themes dealt with and the levels of violence and foul language vary so wildly from episode to episode in all these series. Really, at least one parent should watch each episode to decide.
I have 4 kids, from 11yo down to 3yo. There are episodes of each series that I've let all of them watch, and some more that the 11yo gets to see. RK has been the least censored in our family. It only has I think 5 episodes from beg. through Kyoto arc that I didn't let them watch. That was based on our personal feelings about subjects like suicide and sumo wrestling and also just not wanting to listen to Shishio's ranting again. Another family will have other values. You can't just say, "It's okay" based on a rating or the first episode.
I've also learned my lesson the hard way about watching a show the first time with the kids. When something objectionable happens, it's too late. It's already been seen. Then there's the inevitable whining when it gets turned off in the middle.
I have 4 kids, from 11yo down to 3yo. There are episodes of each series that I've let all of them watch, and some more that the 11yo gets to see. RK has been the least censored in our family. It only has I think 5 episodes from beg. through Kyoto arc that I didn't let them watch. That was based on our personal feelings about subjects like suicide and sumo wrestling and also just not wanting to listen to Shishio's ranting again. Another family will have other values. You can't just say, "It's okay" based on a rating or the first episode.
I've also learned my lesson the hard way about watching a show the first time with the kids. When something objectionable happens, it's too late. It's already been seen. Then there's the inevitable whining when it gets turned off in the middle.
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memmer66 wrote:Wait a minuet what do you mean demons arent real? Demons are real, and while not in the form showed in Inuyasha, demons are very real. And I think that I would rather have a 12 year old (I'm 13, but I have opinions) read and watch Fullmetal Alchemist then Inuyasha.
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sorry i should have specified. i know that demons are real but like you said i was referring to them in the way that they show on inuyasha. As for the understanding of FMA that would go along whith what i meant when i said it depended on the maturity level of the person. i still still think taht FMA isnt something a 12 year old should watch/read. of course please keep in mind that it is only my opinion. i still think that FMA is worse (in the manner that we are speaking of) than inuyasha but ultimately it isnt up to me or any of us. liek you said it is up to the parent and while they can use what we are saying its still fro the parent to decide.
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I really can't comprehend of a 12 year old not being able to understand what's going on in FMA.
I mean, I guess what with all the death and blood, it's not for the faint of heart, but I have a really, really hard time imagining anyone over the age of 10 having a hard time with it.
It seems to me like if you are interested in these shows and know all the "objectionable content" involved and still want to proceed, it's probably fine. I mean, it's not like once you start a series it's required by law you finish it. If you decide the blood n' guts and whatnot are too much for you, just stop watching it.
I mean, I guess what with all the death and blood, it's not for the faint of heart, but I have a really, really hard time imagining anyone over the age of 10 having a hard time with it.
It seems to me like if you are interested in these shows and know all the "objectionable content" involved and still want to proceed, it's probably fine. I mean, it's not like once you start a series it's required by law you finish it. If you decide the blood n' guts and whatnot are too much for you, just stop watching it.
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Maybe you could pick one series - like FMA - and ask your Dad if you could watch it together, then decide if it is okay (it honors God, you are mature enough, etc.).
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HisaishiFan wrote:Maybe you could pick one series - like FMA - and ask your Dad if you could watch it together, then decide if it is okay (it honors God, you are mature enough, etc.).
I'm fine with 'dat.
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Kids here in the Philippines, as young as seven watch Inuyasha and FMA, and Naruto uncut. Maybe due to the fact that most adults here don't care because they are stuck to the ridiculous notion that animation=kids show. 0_o;;
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I think that FMA is great for a 12 yr old, but when it gets to the end of the series, it does get a little gory/violent. (PS there are a few low necklines on some shirts and dresses)
Inuyasha is ok....
I've not seen the entire RK anime,(or OVAs) because i borrowed the CDs from a friend and one of them didn't work, but Its not THAT bad
overall, i think Inuyahsa is the worst, then RK and FMA is the best(content wise, not storyline-wise)
I think a 12yr old should wait for a while unless it is a very mature 12 yr old
Inuyasha is ok....
I've not seen the entire RK anime,(or OVAs) because i borrowed the CDs from a friend and one of them didn't work, but Its not THAT bad
overall, i think Inuyahsa is the worst, then RK and FMA is the best(content wise, not storyline-wise)
I think a 12yr old should wait for a while unless it is a very mature 12 yr old
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Miso_Chan wrote:I've not seen the entire RK anime,(or OVAs) because i borrowed the CDs from a friend and one of them didn't work, but Its not THAT bad
overall, i think Inuyahsa is the worst, then RK and FMA is the best(content wise, not storyline-wise)
Actually, I would think that InuYasha and Ruroken (the TV series) are probably right on par with each other in terms of violence. The Ruroken OVA's, however, are far more violent than InuYasha in all aspects. Just thought I should clarify; I see that you haven't seen them.
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[quote="Radical Dreamer"]The Ruroken OVA's, however, are far more violent than InuYasha in all aspects. Just thought I should clarify]
Yea the OVA's are insanly bloody
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if you mean the rurouni kenshin OAVS: trust and betrayal and reflection, YES. they ARE pretty violent.
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"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
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"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
- John MacArthur
"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
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{nod} For a serious work (i.e. not an exploitative work where part of the point is to shock the audience for sake of shocking), the RK OVAs may be the bloodiest things currently available. Comparisons to Ninja Scroll are not uncommon.
The "Reflections" two-parter which ends the whole series, isn't too bad--the worst portions are flashbacks where Kenshin is telling Kaoru about his days as a hitokiri, and they use abstracted blink-and-you'll-miss cuts, in the artistic background, borrowed from the "Trust/Betrayal" OVA. There is a scene in "Ref" where a character stabs himself, but honestly the scene is much the same as the same scene in the main series--anyone who can handle the first can probably handle the second. (Much of "Reflections" is taken up with flashback retellings of important scenes from the main series, presented in a more 'realistic' style. It's like buying a recap-episode, with a grossly truncated version of the "Revenge" storyline from the manga, and a rather depressing wrapper story. To me, easily the least satisfying installment of the series--and that counts most of the third season!)
The "Trust/Betrayal" OVAs are where things get horribly violent. It has a real point (not just for artistic show or shock value), and meshes with the ethics of the series, but the animators leave practically nothing to the imagination. You will see exactly what happens when people fight with real katanas (and similarly destructive weapons).
That being said, the worst portions are certainly in the first episode (there are four, two for "Trust" and two for "Betrayal"). And again that fits the point, since it's establishing the theme. (The first ep is also the most narratively confusing of the four, due to constant flashback work, which IMO is not very well signalled.) Most of the violence in ep 2 is abstracted; ep 3 contains virtually no violence at all (aside from a brief flashback at the beginning, where Kenshin is associating chopping wood with chopping people); and ep 4's fight scenes, while bloody, aren't really much worse than anything in the main series. (Indeed, the manga issues on which the T/B miniseries is based, are significantly more hardcore in the final fight section; though interestingly _not_ as hardcore in the initial fights, so far as I recall. Odd.)
The theatrical film (also released under the Samurai X brand name--which is not the same as the theatrical cut of the OVAs, by the way) is also fairly graphic in its violence, during its flashback sequences to Kenshin's manslayer days; almost as much so as the T/B OVA. Fortunately, this level of detail is restricted to the opening sequence (which gets recapped at least seven times during the movie, but not to the same level of initial detail). Some people are also shot up pretty badly in the final third of the movie, and Kenshin gets cut up; but nothing much worse than what's occasionally shown in the main series.
"Trust/Betrayal" is a truly beautiful work of art--except when it's showing how horrible swordfights really can be. In which case the artistry can be appreciated from a technical standpoint, as well as an ethical standpoint, instead. But it still takes a strong stomach, and I sure wouldn't argue against anyone deciding it was ethically improper to show such detail. I agree that some things should be honored by being kept private; and the tragedy of violent death has similar limits--but the limits in either case depend on whether the individual viewer will be impelled, by reaction to the viewing, to disrespect the persons involved and the meaning of what's happening.
(As an author, I like to call this "the problem of blood and flowers". {s} Sounds like a good chapter title, too, hm?)
The "Reflections" two-parter which ends the whole series, isn't too bad--the worst portions are flashbacks where Kenshin is telling Kaoru about his days as a hitokiri, and they use abstracted blink-and-you'll-miss cuts, in the artistic background, borrowed from the "Trust/Betrayal" OVA. There is a scene in "Ref" where a character stabs himself, but honestly the scene is much the same as the same scene in the main series--anyone who can handle the first can probably handle the second. (Much of "Reflections" is taken up with flashback retellings of important scenes from the main series, presented in a more 'realistic' style. It's like buying a recap-episode, with a grossly truncated version of the "Revenge" storyline from the manga, and a rather depressing wrapper story. To me, easily the least satisfying installment of the series--and that counts most of the third season!)
The "Trust/Betrayal" OVAs are where things get horribly violent. It has a real point (not just for artistic show or shock value), and meshes with the ethics of the series, but the animators leave practically nothing to the imagination. You will see exactly what happens when people fight with real katanas (and similarly destructive weapons).
That being said, the worst portions are certainly in the first episode (there are four, two for "Trust" and two for "Betrayal"). And again that fits the point, since it's establishing the theme. (The first ep is also the most narratively confusing of the four, due to constant flashback work, which IMO is not very well signalled.) Most of the violence in ep 2 is abstracted; ep 3 contains virtually no violence at all (aside from a brief flashback at the beginning, where Kenshin is associating chopping wood with chopping people); and ep 4's fight scenes, while bloody, aren't really much worse than anything in the main series. (Indeed, the manga issues on which the T/B miniseries is based, are significantly more hardcore in the final fight section; though interestingly _not_ as hardcore in the initial fights, so far as I recall. Odd.)
The theatrical film (also released under the Samurai X brand name--which is not the same as the theatrical cut of the OVAs, by the way) is also fairly graphic in its violence, during its flashback sequences to Kenshin's manslayer days; almost as much so as the T/B OVA. Fortunately, this level of detail is restricted to the opening sequence (which gets recapped at least seven times during the movie, but not to the same level of initial detail). Some people are also shot up pretty badly in the final third of the movie, and Kenshin gets cut up; but nothing much worse than what's occasionally shown in the main series.
"Trust/Betrayal" is a truly beautiful work of art--except when it's showing how horrible swordfights really can be. In which case the artistry can be appreciated from a technical standpoint, as well as an ethical standpoint, instead. But it still takes a strong stomach, and I sure wouldn't argue against anyone deciding it was ethically improper to show such detail. I agree that some things should be honored by being kept private; and the tragedy of violent death has similar limits--but the limits in either case depend on whether the individual viewer will be impelled, by reaction to the viewing, to disrespect the persons involved and the meaning of what's happening.
(As an author, I like to call this "the problem of blood and flowers". {s} Sounds like a good chapter title, too, hm?)
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To me, it depends. Is the child's birthday nearby or did he just turn 12 a little while ago? RK is probably safer for them than any other anime if you ask me.
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As far as Inuyasha goes, I was watching that when I was much younger then 12. However, I'm a very strange girl 
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The violence in Inuyasha isn't really... vivid or terrible, as much as I can remember anyway. There are way more terrible shows out there, even on American television! However, it all comes down to the maturity of the 12 year old vs. what the parents think is best for him or her to view.
FMA on the other hand is something I wouldn't reccomend to someone under 13; and that being a very mature 13 year old. The first part of the show is cute, but afterwords it all goes downhill into serious and sometimes depressing things.
I can't offer any advice on Kenshin, as I've not seen it. However, I've heard the OVAs are quite... gorey.
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The violence in Inuyasha isn't really... vivid or terrible, as much as I can remember anyway. There are way more terrible shows out there, even on American television! However, it all comes down to the maturity of the 12 year old vs. what the parents think is best for him or her to view.
FMA on the other hand is something I wouldn't reccomend to someone under 13; and that being a very mature 13 year old. The first part of the show is cute, but afterwords it all goes downhill into serious and sometimes depressing things.
I can't offer any advice on Kenshin, as I've not seen it. However, I've heard the OVAs are quite... gorey.
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rurouninaruto wrote:I have seen the OVA's of Kenshin w/out my dads permission. =( It is very gory, I think.
Question. It seems as though you have already watched/read a lot of the things you asked about. If you've already seen them, why ask about them?
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Radical Dreamer wrote:Question. It seems as though you have already watched/read a lot of the things you asked about. If you've already seen them, why ask about them?
yeah. much agreed. there's not much of a point in asking if you've already seen part or the entire series.
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- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
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"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
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"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
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- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
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I ask so I can persuade my dad to let me watch the shows. Since we have TiVo, I started recording adult swim w/out him knowing. He found out, and said I need permission to watch adult swim.
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Inuyasha manga = full-frontal female nudity from the waist up, blood and gore, and some nasty language
Inuyasha anime = not sure... but I think the TV version is fine
Kenshin manga = very, very violent and bloody, but no gore...some mild language, a few obscene gestures
Kenshin anime = blood, but nothing too horrible, mild language
FMA manga = not sure...
FMA anime = blood, mild language
It seems you sneak around your dad a lot, though, and I really suggest you do not do that because 1) it's dishonest and 2) he won't trust your decisions. You need to ask for his permission on everything possible so he can learn to trust you.
And Samurai X is rated R. But if you can handle that, you can probably handle most violent situations in anime/manga.
Inuyasha anime = not sure... but I think the TV version is fine
Kenshin manga = very, very violent and bloody, but no gore...some mild language, a few obscene gestures
Kenshin anime = blood, but nothing too horrible, mild language
FMA manga = not sure...
FMA anime = blood, mild language
It seems you sneak around your dad a lot, though, and I really suggest you do not do that because 1) it's dishonest and 2) he won't trust your decisions. You need to ask for his permission on everything possible so he can learn to trust you.
And Samurai X is rated R. But if you can handle that, you can probably handle most violent situations in anime/manga.
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Shoutin’ in the street gonna take on the world some day
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Because I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
Tommy used to work on the docks
Union's been on strike
Bright eyes burning like fire
And exposing every weakness
However carefully hidden by the kids
Who will love a little Sparrow
Who's traveled far and cries for rest
Spare him his life from this monstrosity
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Money, get away
Get a good job with good pay and you're okay
And all and all you're just another brick in the wall
Shoutin’ in the street gonna take on the world some day
But Bismallah will not let me go
Because I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
Tommy used to work on the docks
Union's been on strike
Bright eyes burning like fire
And exposing every weakness
However carefully hidden by the kids
Who will love a little Sparrow
Who's traveled far and cries for rest
Spare him his life from this monstrosity
I've seen a million faces and I've rocked them all
And if the band youre in starts playing different tunes
We will we will rock you
We will we will rock you!
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I haven't read to the part in the manga where it splits off from the anime, but to where I've read the FMA manga has about the same content level as the anime. The only thing I can say that's different is that it's not going by as quick in the manga since it's, well...a manga. So things that you only see brief flashes of in the anime, like Ed and Al's "mom" when they try to revive her, is...possibly seems a bit more gory/bloody/violent because you can actually SEE it and you can dwell on it a bit more. It's never horrible, though, I would say really the violence is kept at the same level of the anime.
I've heard, though, that later, once the manga splits off from the anime, [spoilers]some characters meet some pretty violent deaths. For example, I've heard Greed is killed by being boiled alive in oil (? or maybe it was lava...? Something similar). I don't know how much detail is shown...it could even be "off screen"...but it's something worth noting.[/spoilers]
And I kinda agree on the 'sneaking around' thing...^^; (Actually, I was going to say something earlier, but I didn't want to just post that without actually adding anything to the conversation...) Your Dad's going to be much more likely to trust you if you're behaving well. Particularly if you're watching something like Samurai X behind his back, considering the R rating.
Also, why don't you ask if you could record some episodes of shows you're interested in on your Tivo and ask your Dad to watch them? Then, he can see for himself if he thinks it's appropriate, instead of going on our opinions or just guessing.
I've heard, though, that later, once the manga splits off from the anime, [spoilers]some characters meet some pretty violent deaths. For example, I've heard Greed is killed by being boiled alive in oil (? or maybe it was lava...? Something similar). I don't know how much detail is shown...it could even be "off screen"...but it's something worth noting.[/spoilers]
And I kinda agree on the 'sneaking around' thing...^^; (Actually, I was going to say something earlier, but I didn't want to just post that without actually adding anything to the conversation...) Your Dad's going to be much more likely to trust you if you're behaving well. Particularly if you're watching something like Samurai X behind his back, considering the R rating.
Also, why don't you ask if you could record some episodes of shows you're interested in on your Tivo and ask your Dad to watch them? Then, he can see for himself if he thinks it's appropriate, instead of going on our opinions or just guessing.
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Well, I have been behaving alot better lately. For about the past 3 weeks or so, actually... It's a start!^^
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As for the FMA manga, it's really not that bad. The part with Greed that MorwenLaicoriel mentioned isn't really violent--more like freaky. Any S (or F?) words are blocked out with $@%#. I'm in the middle of the ninth manga of FMA, and I reached one part that might not be appropriate for 12 year olds. So, really, the only real concern wouldn't be violence in general, but the emotional deaths that occur. Even I was like ( 0_O'' ) when I saw what happened in the 9th manga. And, of course, it also depends on whether you can handle stuff like that or not.
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i'm on volume 14 and i'd have to say that it would probably only be appropriate for those thirteen and older. there's bloody violence and such but that's not the main reason why. the manga contains quite a bit of mature themes, some themes include political themes, war, human sacrifice, and other stuff. however, there's VERY little sexual content in this manga which makes it a lot funner to read. the language isn't that big of an issue either.
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"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
- John MacArthur
"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
"If the Christian has lost sight of Calvary, that shows that he has lost his way."
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"Sometimes we don't present the Gospel well enough for the non-elect to reject it."
- John MacArthur
"In the total expanse of the human life, there is not a single square inch of which Christ, who alone is sovereign, does not declare, 'That is mine'."
- Abraham Kuyper
"God the great Creator of all things doth uphold, direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things, from the greatest even to the least, by His most wise and holy providence, according to His infallible foreknowledge and the free and immutable counsel of His own will, to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy."
- Westminister Confession of Faith (Chapter 5, Section 1)
"The wisdom of God has found a way for the love of God to deliver sinners from the wrath of God all the while upholding the righteousness of God!!"
- John Piper
"Grace is the pleasure of God to magnify the worth of God by giving sinners the right and power to delight in God without obscuring the glory of God!"
-John Piper
"The very One from Whom we need to be saved, is the One Who has saved us."
- R.C. Sproul
"All of Christian life is ceaseless worship of God the Father, through the mediatorship of God the Son, by the indwelling power of God the Spirit, doing what God commands in Scripture, not doing what God forbids in Scripture, in culturally contextualized ways, for the furtherance of the Gospel, when both gathered for adoration, and scattered for action, in joyous response to God's glorious grace."
- Mark Driscoll
"Believers do not pray with the view of informing God about things unknown to Him, or of exciting Him to do His duty, or of urging Him as though He were reluctant. On the contrary, they pray in order that they may arouse themselves to seek Him, that they may exercise their faith in meditating on His promises, that they may relieve themselves from their anxieties by pouring them into His bosom; in a word, that they may declare that from Him alone they hope and expect, both for themselves and for others, all good things."
- Martin Luther
"I have to tell you first that I am ready to die. I have put my affairs in order. Your supreme weapon is killing. My supreme weapon is dying, because when you kill me, people all over Romania will read my books and believe on the God that I preach - even more than they do now."
- Dr. Joseph Ton, the exiled Romanian pastor (quoted by James Montgomery Boice)
"The best prayer I ever prayed had enough sin in it to condemn the whole world."
- John Bunyan
"If the Christian has lost sight of Calvary, that shows that he has lost his way."
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I've got (and read) 5 volumes of the FMA manga and its great. There is some graphic violence sure (they are rated T for a reason), very little 'bad' adult themes which good.
I was disappointed to see several instances of Jesus name as a curse, but other than that its a great read. I have to get more soon.
I was disappointed to see several instances of Jesus name as a curse, but other than that its a great read. I have to get more soon.
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