This Quote Angers Me....

[Tommy]

When I came upon this, I became extremely angry:

http://sayanythingblog.com/2006/09/12/rosie_odonell_is_all_about_equivalency/

She has no freaking idea what she's talking about.

The book of the Koran TEACHES Islams to kill those you don't believe in their religion, butt he Bible says nothing about killing Homosexuals, and as we know, Rosie O' Donnell is one, so it would make perfect sense that she would hate Christian Extremist, but still that comment is so ignorant.

And then she believes that our country is breaking Seperation of Church and State with our President being a born again Christian?!

If only people actually knew the faith of our Founding Fathers....

[Icarus]

I personally think that it makes sense.

"Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America."

I think that a radical could be reasonably viewed as one that either takes actions or hold beliefs that the rest of the group the affiliate themselves with wouldn't not condone. By that definition, the founders of our country were not radical Christians, but radical Englishmen.

What have Christian Extremists done? One thing that leaps to mind is that they have killed abortionists, and bombed their clinics. I don't recall those being in the Beattitudes.

[Nate]

If only people actually knew the faith of our Founding Fathers....

Yeah, they were deists who rejected Christ, in fact, Thomas Jefferson made the Jefferson Bible which removed all references to Jesus' divinity.

butt he Bible says nothing about killing Homosexuals

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. - Leviticus 20:13

Hmm, that sounds like telling us to kill homosexuals to me. I mean, maybe you interpret it differently.

Do some research before you start shooting off your mouth.

[Puguni]

A lot of people don't know what they're talking about, namely celebrities. I wouldn't get too steamed over misconceptions from people without credentials.

[Roy Mustang]

Well, if you look at someone quoted in there.

Jesus Christ taught by example, not by forcing his teachings on others. Anyone who wants to use force isn't a real Christian.

That shows what Christ had taught is something that Christian Extremists are not doing.

If only people actually knew the faith of our Founding Fathers....

Not all founding Fathers were deists, but at the same time they were not all christians.

And about Rosie O' Donnell. I'm not going to get upset over it, because I really don't care what she says. Now that she is on the view, she going to say anything that will have a little shock value to it.

Wingzero22

[RedMage]

Understand that "radical" here is not being used to refer to abortion clinic bombings or something; nothing half so reasonable is being imtimated. It's being used as a synonym for "fundementalist," though the latter has its own negative connotations, unfortunately.

Polls still show Christianity is the dominant religion in the United States. Do you think everyone who identifies themself as a Christian in these polls is a real, Bible-believing Christian? Certainly not.

People are fine with Christians so long as their faith is just a secondary part of their lives and they stay quiet and out of the way. Christians who actually take their faith seriously are "radicals," and that's scaaaaaary.

In the same way, "normal," peaceful, "moderate" Muslims who you and I meet every day are, unfortunately, the heretics of their faith, or much closer to heresy than those fun guys who blow up buildings and behead people for kicks. It's a myth that the terrorists have just perverted a peaceful, beautiful religion to their own ends. The terrorists aren't the ones who've changed Islam, it's the "moderates."

On the other hand, let's apply the principle of charity and assume for the sake of argument she did mean nutcase "Christians" who bomb abortion clinics and whatnot instead of merely Christians who actually believe in Christianity. Now weigh the amount of violence carried out by radical "Christians" against the amount carried out by "radical" Muslims, and you will see that the statement is still complete nonsense.

[ashfire]

The only group of people I think of as being radical Christians is that church group who are standing outside the funeral services of military personnel who have been killed in the war in Iraq to say America and the military personnel are being punished for having homosexuals living in the US and they are making it hard on the families with their actions.

[Cognitive Gear]

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. - Leviticus 20:13

Hmm, that sounds like telling us to kill homosexuals to me. I mean, maybe you interpret it differently.

That is Old testament law that we are all freed from by Christ's blood.

Although I'm sure that Islam has something similar to say about thier more violent passages as well.

[Radical Dreamer]

[quote="kaemmerite"]

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death]


Well, on the one hand, yeah, but on the other hand, you have to note the context of the OT, too. Homosexuality is just as much of a sin today, but I don't think that means we're supposed to execute all the homosexuals (even though all sins are the same in God's eyes, we do have Jesus, grace, etc.). I think we're supposed to hate the sin and love the sinner, and do what we can to show homosexuals God's love.

Or maybe you were just making a point about how it does indeed say that in the Bible, and I've just wasted a whole post for nothing. XD

EDIT: Eh, Iki beat me to it, and said it in far fewer words than I. XD

[dyzzispell]

Satan has been putting together his plan for centuries now, to defame Christ and His followers. This is but a small sample of what is to come. Honestly, I can't get real angry over it. Jesus said we would be hated, and we have had a very long period of freedom in this country. I pity the woman for not being able to understand how much more there is to Christ, than that mess out there that calls itself His church.
Don't get me wrong, there are many true Christians out there. But there are also many who are not, who are masquerading as such within the church, and giving us all a bad name. (And many of them are leaders!) We seriously need to pray for the current state of the church. The time is coming when the wheat will be separated from the chaff, and I personally would like to be counted among the wheat.

[beau99]

It doesn't anger me, as I have zero respect for extremist Christians.

[RedMage]

It doesn't anger me, as I have zero respect for extremist Christians.

We need to be clear about how we're defining that term.

[beau99]

We need to be clear about how we're defining that term.

Sorry, I can't do that.

Doing so would violate the site's terms of service. I'll just say my version of "extremist Christian" is far broader than what most people would consider.

[Puritan]

This quote could, most certainly, be taken as either disturbing (if it means any Christian who believes their faith strongly) or correct (for there have been people calling themselves "Christian" who have done terrible things claiming they were done for God, though we should avoid discussion of specific events to avoid controversy). However, my feeling is, really, why do we care about this specific instance? Dyzzispell is right that Satan has been attacking the Church for centuries (about two millenia for the Christian Church, in fact, and far longer before), so this type of sentiment should come as no shock to anyone (similar things have come from the mouths of many people), and honestly, Ms. O'Donnell is simply a talk show host. Her opinion may reflect or change the views of a few, but I've heard things just as vitriolic before and I'm sure I will hear them again. We are in a fallen world, so as much as I think this statement is both incindiary and wrong (when speaking of true Christians), it is unsurprising and, to me, simply an expected thing. The world is in a sad state, we know as much from Scripture, and our job is not to be shocked at the evil of the world. Why spend time and energy on a specific but small instance of twisted thinking like this when our whole world is dreadfully sick? Let's simply acknowledge the need for Christ in this fallen world and allow this type of thing to spurn us to try and spread the message and light of Christ. Getting bothered about it does little but worry us.

[Angel37]

Be careful lest a mod find ye! Don't let the thread get out of hand!

[RedMage]

Sorry, I can't do that.

Doing so would violate the site's terms of service.

Then maybe it'd be better not to make vague, provocative statements? I'm not trying to come after you or start something, but that post is just hanging there.

I'll just say my version of "extremist Christian" is far broader than what most people would consider.

From this we can only infer it would include a lot of people who post on this forum.

In the end, it's not about what our definitions of "extremist Christians" or "radical Christianity" is, it's about what the person who made the comment's definition is...and I can take a guess.

[Zeke]

honestly, she doesnt even deserve out time, so lets move onto another topic. If one can say something so ignorant, they must just be angry and have no real basis for such statements

[dyzzispell]

Could you guys pm each other to clarify, and that way you wouldn't get in trouble with the mods? Or is that off-limits too? Honestly, I didn't quite remember. Just a suggestion so you'd be able to clarify it.

The statement "my version of "extremist Christian" is far broader than what most people would consider" concerns me, too, but again, not allowed to debate it. Depending on its definition, it may actually sadden me to hear. I think the church needs more Christians who are unashamed of the complete gospel, sin and all. Too many these days have watered it down.

Anyway, amen to that, Puritan.

[uc pseudonym]

This thread, from its creation, is begging to become a political argument. In fact, I cannot conceive of any serious discussion that could arise from it that would not swiftly run against the forum rules. Due to this, I am locking the thread, something that probably should have been done much earlier. I will also refrain from commenting, as uncomfortable as I am doing so.