Ark wrote:I want to be shot out of a cannon. Hunter S. Thompson style. Burn me down, load me up, and fire me off in a mortar shell during a fireworks show. Hooha.
Ah. A Dilbert reference.Orenji wrote:Or stuffed. Whatever's cheaper.
Bobtheduck wrote: I just wish people wouldn't think of the body after they were dead as if it were them...
Ark wrote:I want to be shot out of a cannon. Hunter S. Thompson style. Burn me down, load me up, and fire me off in a mortar shell during a fireworks show. Hooha.
Kaligraphic wrote:The book of Miscellanicus, chapter 7, starting at verse 3, states: "And the people took the man, and put him in the fire, and the son of the prophet swatteth him upside the head and said 'Lo, thou must not burn the living,' and the people said to the son of the prophet, 'but he is very ill, and shalt be stone dead in a moment,' and the son of the prophet did say, 'We still can't burn him, for it doth be against regulations.'"
Thus cremation should not be physically practised on the living.
ZiP wrote:.... Are you being sarcastic? Sorry, I can't really tell.
Puritan wrote:There are many things involved in marriage and this issue, but I will avoid going into it here to avoid theological controversy. However, I've been reading a great deal about this topic in the past semester (I've been reading through a series of talks Pope John Paul gave on the subject of the human body including marriage) and I would be happy to discuss the origin of marriage and the reasons why it is believed marriage lasts only in this lifetime via PM if you wish.
Puritan wrote:True love never ends, but your connection of love to romance (which involves physical, emotional, and spiritual threads) is tenuous. Romance should involve love, but the two are not identical. You can love someone without romance, and it is possible to romance someone without love (which is why some people's marriages fall apart, as romance is a poor substitute for true love). Just because love never ends does not mean that romance will never end. Romance is heavily connected to our current bodies which will be transformed at the resurrection, and we have little indication what these bodies will be like beyond knowing the few things scripture says about them.
Whether marriage will last beyond this life is a subject of some debate, admitted, but why worry about it? The core important thing in marriage is to love the person you are married to (In fact in Ephesians 5 men are called to love their wives as Christ loved the Church). That love will, in my opinion, not disappear in the afterlife as the love of a Christian married couple is based upon and centered around God. What the marriage is may change, but the core important thing in marriage will not. Romance, children, being together, all of these things are important to marriage, but a godly marriage is centered around a love for God which manifests itself as love for your husband or wife. If the rest dissapear due to old age or disease, sterility, or death, the marriage does not dissolve. The love between the husband and wife, founded on a love for God, continues, and that is the core of what marriage is.
Jon Clement wrote:Marriage and romance are 2 completly different entities. The bible says love never ends, so I'll believe it when it says that...
Kokoro Daisuke wrote:I can't emphasize what ZiP and Puritan have said enough, Jon. You are placing too much stock in an expression of love, and not the love itself. Marriage and romance come with love - they do not define love, but through them people can express their love for one another.
You say you want marriage in heaven - do you REALLY want marriage? Do you want the rings, the financial benefits, and the papers that say you're married in Heaven? Because aside from love, that is what legal marriage essentially entails. What remains when you take all those away is just love, and a love blessed by God will exist and bring you and your wife joy REGARDLESS of rings or papers or money in the bank. It's the exact same thing with romance - moonlight walks, candle light dinners, whatever romance may means to you, it's an expression of a bond and it doesn't matter where you are, Heaven or earth, because a pure, godly love between a man and a woman transcends location.
If you say you want marriage and romance whilst acting offended when others tell you that these things might not last, then it really does sound like all you want is a nice dinner and a ring around your finger.
Jon Clement wrote:In summarry, I DO want love... Very badly...
Mr. SmartyPants wrote:Jon Clements, who doesn't? Heck even like.... UC Pseudynom... the most serious and dry person here (not to make in fun of you. You just put on that tone, and you are awesome ) wants love. Heck we pretty much need love.
But there is a time for human love. But you want love? There is love right here. It's called God. And sure he doesn't hug you or touch you. He can't kiss you, he can't play with your hair. But he did something.. much much more. And much greater. The greatest thing in the world.
He died for you.
Jon Clement wrote:Yes, John 3:16... And I appriciate that... But still, that doesn't change the fact that I want affection...
[...]and if God were to say that people didn't need to get married to have sex[...]
Mr. SmartyPants wrote:Are you searching? Trust me. Searching will get you nowhere. How about stop looking for that perfect person. And make yourself a better and more faithful person. So that when God gives you that perfect person, (im using the word "perfect" loosely) you will know. And you will be ready.
Jon Clement wrote:No, there are women who are perfect in my eyes... Infact, I know one... I tried to meet her in real life, she she thought it wouldn't be a good idea.
But no, I'm not exactly searching. I try once in a while, but I mostly don't...
Kokoro Daisuke wrote:While I have no intention of debating, as per your request, I do believe you'd read my post wrong, which is partially my fault as I didn't articulate it as best as I could have:
But I am not trying to say that marriage doesn't matter - earthly marriage is a wonderful blessing from God, but if it's not there in Heaven, the love will still be.
Which once more brings me back to the issue of love and romance. Hugging, holding, kissing your wife is all well and good, however WHY do you want this - for the feeling of love that it expresses to her. In the end, it all boils down to love - you'll have an eternal supply of it in Heaven, so why fret about not having kisses?
ZiP wrote:You want romance... Romance with love... the two are totally different, and they always will be. I know how strong the desire is to be romanticly linked with someone (speaking as one with experience Jon, I'm not just theorizing), but you put too much into it Jon. No matter how much you say you want love, you seem to insist that romance come with it, and if there isn't romance, it isn't good enough for you. Despite everything you're saying about how you want love, that's the message I'm seeing.
I won't argue with you about the issue of sex outside marriage, but I will give you just one piece of scriptural evidence proving the wickedness of fornication...
I would recommend a mod close this thread, it looks like it my turn into something bad.
Zar wrote:Praise God for all things awesome. Life ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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