As you see, RD, I edited my post and realized my mistakes.
I saw your message after.
The Mormon one.
Went to the baptist church for a change today...
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Tom Dincht wrote:As you see, RD, I edited my post and realized my mistakes.
I saw your message after.
The Mormon one.
Ah. XD Yeah, that makes a little more sense.
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Radical Dreamer - Posts: 7950
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Radical Dreamer wrote:No kids in heaven, no, but there's plenty of romance in the Bible. Go read Song of Solomon, it's full of it. As far as marriage is concerned, Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians that, while remaining single is certainly a good thing, getting married is also good, and is especially good to keep one from sexually sinning outside of marriage. Also, God tells us to be fruitful and multiply. We couldn't do that (and be right in God's word) without being married. God's Word has plenty to say on the subject of marriage, you've just got to look in the right places.
I think he meant romance in heaven
Look dude. When you're in heaven. You aren't gonna want romance. Do ya get that? Cause you don't really seem to. It's like how when you're a child, you're dying for the new toy or new lego set. ANd when you're 16 you could care less about it.
If you're in heaven. Youre in FRONT of God. And that is worth more than any other human relationship. God isn't just "a little" better than being married or having a family. He is INFINATELY better.
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Mr. SmartyPants - Posts: 12541
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Mr. SmartyPants wrote:If you're in heaven. Youre in FRONT of God. And that is worth more than any other human relationship. God isn't just "a little" better than being married or having a family. He is INFINATELY better.
AMEN!
I think, Jon, you've somehow come under the impression that there is nothing better than love, marriage, kids, and all the perks that come with those great things. But realize this-- God CREATED all those great things. He INVENTED them. And *He* said that heaven is going to be the greatest thing *ever* without them. Just because we can't grasp the idea of something better than the things we look forward to, doesn't mean that those things don't exist. You may not be able to understand now, but just have faith that God knows what he's talking about, and he knows what you'll enjoy for eternity, because he created you, and he knows everything about you and about what you'll be perfectly happy with.
Be Thou my Vision, O Lord of my heart;
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
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Yumie - Posts: 1939
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Jon, I think your a little bit like me. Do you want a girlfriend that you like, or one that you love? I think it's safe to assume you want one you can love, right? Because if you only want one you can like, the relationship won't be worth it, it'll just end eventually, and you'll get hurt, or she'll get hurt, or (more likely) you'll both be hurt by it.
So, let's say now that you want a girlfriend you can love. What is love? Is love shown by our feelings? Do you know you love someone, because they have good morals, and because they're pretty, and because they make you feel good? Of course not, otherwise no marriages could last for more than a couple of years.
I won't say that I can define love, but from the things I have experienced, when you love someone, you're willing to give up a lot of things for them, and you want them to be happy, and you care about what happens to them.... And even if you have to give them up... You do it, so that they can be happy someday. For me, that's love, or at least the best way I can describe it. Love is more than a woozy heart. Love is sacrifice. Love is in our actions.
I could explain it better in person, but I think that that's the best I can explain it over the net.
And as for the romance in heaven, I experienced the same kind of disappointment, and I still do, but I believe that in heaven, our connection with each other will be even better than romance. Do you know how close Christians will be in heaven? It won't be like earth. It'll be so incredible. That's my guess anyways.
Marty
So, let's say now that you want a girlfriend you can love. What is love? Is love shown by our feelings? Do you know you love someone, because they have good morals, and because they're pretty, and because they make you feel good? Of course not, otherwise no marriages could last for more than a couple of years.
I won't say that I can define love, but from the things I have experienced, when you love someone, you're willing to give up a lot of things for them, and you want them to be happy, and you care about what happens to them.... And even if you have to give them up... You do it, so that they can be happy someday. For me, that's love, or at least the best way I can describe it. Love is more than a woozy heart. Love is sacrifice. Love is in our actions.
I could explain it better in person, but I think that that's the best I can explain it over the net.
And as for the romance in heaven, I experienced the same kind of disappointment, and I still do, but I believe that in heaven, our connection with each other will be even better than romance. Do you know how close Christians will be in heaven? It won't be like earth. It'll be so incredible. That's my guess anyways.
Marty
--To Write Love on Her Arms
"That time and absence proves - Rather helps than hurts to love."
"Feelings, emotions, they are good, but they cannot be Love's foundation. When of Love, these things last. When of romance, these things end."
"Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get, it's what you are expected to give -- which is everything."
"That time and absence proves - Rather helps than hurts to love."
"Feelings, emotions, they are good, but they cannot be Love's foundation. When of Love, these things last. When of romance, these things end."
"Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get, it's what you are expected to give -- which is everything."
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Mr. SmartyPants - Posts: 12541
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Well, I still believe in it... I highly doubt God will destroy it just like that... Like I said, I havn't seen any scripture that says Romance doesn't exist in heaven...
"If history is to change, let it... If the world is to be detroyed, so be it... If my fate is to die... I must simply laugh..." -Magus, Chrono Trigger
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Jon Clement - Posts: 90
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Jesus said that we will be like the angels, not given in marriage or anything like that... and it's important to remember that God ordained sex for marriage only, and that it is even sinful to lust without doing sexual acts with those other than our spouses. Since there will be no more marriage in Heaven between man and woman, there will also be no more sexual relations... if that's what you mean by Romance.
Besides, we'll have something far greater in Heaven. Indeed, we will have surpreme love when we are with our Creator, but along with that will we have love that we cannot experiance on earth with our brothers and sisters... cause then we will be able to know eachother face to face the way God intended for us to be from the beginning of time, without sin clouding any of the relationships (as we have on earth). This is far better than marriage or our ideas of "romance" could ever be.
Besides, we'll have something far greater in Heaven. Indeed, we will have surpreme love when we are with our Creator, but along with that will we have love that we cannot experiance on earth with our brothers and sisters... cause then we will be able to know eachother face to face the way God intended for us to be from the beginning of time, without sin clouding any of the relationships (as we have on earth). This is far better than marriage or our ideas of "romance" could ever be.
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Slater - Posts: 2671
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I wonder...
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Jon Clement - Posts: 90
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Jon Clement wrote:Well, I still believe in it... I highly doubt God will destroy it just like that... Like I said, I havn't seen any scripture that says Romance doesn't exist in heaven...
If I may say so, sir, you need to read more. At this point, I'd recommend The Circle Trilogy,and Showdown, by Ted Dekker. Further, if you haven't already, read the sequels to Alcott's Little Women
I swear this is on topic. As for God abolishing romance in paradise, I don't think it's going to happen (Circle, Showdown). The Church is the Bride of Christ. If you accept that God is our Father as no mortal could ever be, then it only make sense that Jesus is the Bridegroom non pareil He is perfectly attentive, perfectly caring. He has already given all He has for His Bride's safety and presence beside Him. Can you imagine that He would allow the Body He died for to feel want or need? Our greatest pleasure will be His joy. Can you imagine a greater romance? A better love story?
And to all the kids out there, if what SirThnks2Much said didn't get through, then this probably won't either. Whenever I hear a young person complaining about how they wish they had a boy/girlfriend, it always reminds me a portion from either Little Men or Jo's Boys. In it, Demi comes to Meg and talks about how he wishes he had a beau (gf), and how all of his friends have one. Meg is aghast.She cannot believe that children so young (I think they were preteens at the oldest) are playing at being in love when love is so dangerous.
Sure, love is great. As 1 John 4 says, God is love, and I believe that being in love is the closest Atheists come to the Divine. But for all that, love is not a game. If you haven't learned the hard way, know that our hearts can be as fragile as crystal eggs. It's better to find someone has caught it when you fall than to play football with it.
And finally, way to go, ZiP. I wouldn't have expected one so young to be so wise.
May the Lord be with you.
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Icarus - Posts: 1477
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Jon Clement wrote:Well, I still believe in it... I highly doubt God will destroy it just like that... Like I said, I havn't seen any scripture that says Romance doesn't exist in heaven...
Maybe not, maybe so, but do you think relationship's are built on romance, Jon, or that they're supposed to be? If romance was all it took to make a successful relationship, then why do I look around and see nothing but couples breaking up? There's plenty of romance in the relationships I see, but that can't be what sustains your relationship.
Feelings, emotions, they are good, but they cannot be Love's foundation. When of Love, these things last. When of romance, these things end.
Thanks to everyone who likes what I've said. I became fascinated with Love, once I started understanding it better. It's something worthwhile to study, cause it'll actually be in the next world. One of the two earthly treasures I can think of that will. Music is the other one. I feel kind of full of it talking about all this stuff like I have the answers. I don't mean to be teaching you guys anything, these are all just my opinions.
Marty
--To Write Love on Her Arms
"That time and absence proves - Rather helps than hurts to love."
"Feelings, emotions, they are good, but they cannot be Love's foundation. When of Love, these things last. When of romance, these things end."
"Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get, it's what you are expected to give -- which is everything."
"That time and absence proves - Rather helps than hurts to love."
"Feelings, emotions, they are good, but they cannot be Love's foundation. When of Love, these things last. When of romance, these things end."
"Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get, it's what you are expected to give -- which is everything."
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Mr. SmartyPants - Posts: 12541
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Yeah, I know what you mean. It's kind of like it's in the back of your mind until something unlocks it, or someone tells it to you and realize that it makes a lot of sense. My Dad told me that relationships can't be built on romance, and I realized that that was what I had done, and even though there was (and is) definitely, definitely something more, that was not a very good way to get started, and it's possible I actually ruined the most moving thing in my life by starting a relationship that way.
--To Write Love on Her Arms
"That time and absence proves - Rather helps than hurts to love."
"Feelings, emotions, they are good, but they cannot be Love's foundation. When of Love, these things last. When of romance, these things end."
"Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get, it's what you are expected to give -- which is everything."
"That time and absence proves - Rather helps than hurts to love."
"Feelings, emotions, they are good, but they cannot be Love's foundation. When of Love, these things last. When of romance, these things end."
"Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get, it's what you are expected to give -- which is everything."
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ZiP - Posts: 1205
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Yes, I'm well aware that a good relationship isn't built on romance alone. I KNOW that there has to be love involved... Infact, I really don't WANT romance without love...
"If history is to change, let it... If the world is to be detroyed, so be it... If my fate is to die... I must simply laugh..." -Magus, Chrono Trigger
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Jon Clement - Posts: 90
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I know what you mean, I feel the same way, romance without love is nothing. It just seems from what I've read that you really want romance, and I'm just trying to warn you against trying to fullfil romance before love. If you're not careful, you'll let the craving for romance overtake you, and go after someone without loving them, so just make sure you don't put too much into romance, because without fullfiling love in some way, romance always falls.
--To Write Love on Her Arms
"That time and absence proves - Rather helps than hurts to love."
"Feelings, emotions, they are good, but they cannot be Love's foundation. When of Love, these things last. When of romance, these things end."
"Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get, it's what you are expected to give -- which is everything."
"That time and absence proves - Rather helps than hurts to love."
"Feelings, emotions, they are good, but they cannot be Love's foundation. When of Love, these things last. When of romance, these things end."
"Love has nothing to do with what you are expecting to get, it's what you are expected to give -- which is everything."
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ZiP - Posts: 1205
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Actually the whole idea of romance in marriage is fairly new.Back in colonial days marriages were made for a lot of different reasons,romance wasn't one of them.As soon as a girl turned 14,15,16,etc.and had learned all that it took to be a good wife and mother from her own mother she was married off.A lot of the time she'd be married to someone older than her in his 30s,40s,50s,60s or older.Sometimes the groom would be a widower with children the same age or older than their new stepmom.
Of course that doesn't mean that they didn't end up loving each other.Considering the number of children that many couples had in those days.
Of course that doesn't mean that they didn't end up loving each other.Considering the number of children that many couples had in those days.
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mitsuki lover - Posts: 8486
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The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis has a few chapters devoted to relationships that were a good wake-up call to me, and have spent a LOT of time pondering this for reasons I will not get into here. Aside from being a great learning experience altogether, I would recommend you get a hold of the book for those chapters.
A modern man who wants a family and has his spiritual act together??? Now that's attractive!
Warrior 4 Jesus wrote:I can see where your coming from Jon. I have often thought to myself, "What will happen if Jesus returns before I have a girlfriend, get married and have kids?" But then I remember that in the scheme of things it doesn't matter. We're going to live with Jesus our Creator and Redeemer forever! Now that is amazing. Everything else pales in comparison.
A modern man who wants a family and has his spiritual act together??? Now that's attractive!
[color="Red"]As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. - Proverbs 23:7[/color]
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Robin: "If we close our eyes, we can't see anything."
Batman: "A sound observation, Robin."
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Robin: "If we close our eyes, we can't see anything."
Batman: "A sound observation, Robin."
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You know, the other night I was thinking that it would be funny if I DID die before I got a GF and everything and all and found out that God could take the form of a beautiful woman. 
"If history is to change, let it... If the world is to be detroyed, so be it... If my fate is to die... I must simply laugh..." -Magus, Chrono Trigger
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