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Postby Togira Ikonoka » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:34 pm

I was wondering what was everybody view on how the different races like the indians were in so many places in the world and how if we split up with them some time in the very past between Eurasia and the Americas why did Eurasia advance in technology and not the indians. and hawaii it was inhabited by indians before the first americans got there how is that so.
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Postby Slater » Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:34 pm

The Berringian(sp?) theory is a pretty widely accepted one. Our scientific data suggests that humans migrated over from present day Russia durring the Ice Age (when the masses of ice were so great in the north that there was a virtual bridge of ice). Also, it is my theory (and probably others') that hawaii became inhabitted by those sea-fairing folk from the Asian seaboard, much like the Philipines or Indonesia would have been populated.
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Postby Mithrandir » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:11 pm

If you are really interested in this subject, there is a fascinating book called, "Guns, Germs and Steel" which was published recently. It goes into a LOT of deatil about this.
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Postby Ingemar » Tue Mar 28, 2006 11:20 pm

The Western world didn't have the Afro-Eurasian advantage of domesticated mount animals/beasts of burden, so migration and trade (and the technological diffusion that would come with it) was out of the question. That didn't stop some native peoples from getting some high marks of civilization, like pyramids in Mexico and artificial selection when it came to maize for the Mayas.
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Postby Togira Ikonoka » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:22 am

Ingemar wrote:The Western world didn't have the Afro-Eurasian advantage of domesticated mount animals/beasts of burden, so migration and trade (and the technological diffusion that would come with it) was out of the question. That didn't stop some native peoples from getting some high marks of civilization, like pyramids in Mexico and artificial selection when it came to maize for the Mayas.



well indians had horses right so hows that the problem. And yes i remember the the mayas and how some of those actually had pretty acurate calenders setup before the European settlers came in the picture. well some of those were just theorys and hypothesis maybe the indians were the first lost European settlers lol.
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Postby termyt » Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:32 am

Indians did not have horses. Horses were brought over with the first Europeans. Indians saw their value and quickly adapted them to their uses. The same can be said of firearms.

There are many factors that must be accounted for in the difference between European technology and American technology.

One of the main factors is population. The Middle East has been heavily populated for six thousand years. A near constant state of conflict surrounded life for those people. Complex societies formed as a way to protect one's own people from other peoples. Over-population and the need for security drove people to war. Cities were built to help administer and protect populations. And all along, the need for more food and bigger and better weapons and defenses drove the people to invent.

The Americas, on the other hand, are vast in comparison. Compared to Europe and the Middle East, the population of the Americas is quite sparse. If you have a disagreement with your neighbor, just move away. Most conflicts were minor skirmishes because land and food are in abundance. Not to mention, the people basically travel on foot, which limits travel and mobility and decreases the area one tribe of people can claim control over. Therefore, the need to invent new and better ways of doing things was low. Necessity is the mother of invention and the peoples of the Americas had little need, so they invented little.
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Postby Technomancer » Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:22 am

Togira Ikonoka wrote:I was wondering what was everybody view on how the different races like the indians were in so many places in the world and how if we split up with them some time in the very past between Eurasia and the Americas why did Eurasia advance in technology and not the indians. and hawaii it was inhabited by indians before the first americans got there how is that so.


With regards to the peopling of the Americas, there are several ideas about how this was accomplished. The principal idea has for a long time been that they originally came through the Bering land bridge at the end of the last ice-age. The early settlers would then have moved down through an ice-free corridor that ran more or less through central British Columbia at that time. However, this may not have been the only route used, as several finds seem to be older than the period in which the Bering land bridge is thought to have been passable.

An alternative is that the early settlers moved down the west coast taking a sea-route rather than a land route. Unfortunately, this will be difficult to test because most of the sites they would have stopped at will by now be underwater (owing to the rise in sea-level at the end of the Pleistocene). There is some support for this notion mongst archaeologists, because it seems quite plausible. The same can't be said though for another idea about the existence of an Atlantic sea-route skirting the edge of the ice-packs. It has also been proposed that some of the early settlers could have come from Europe this way, although the evidence for this notion is tenuous at best. We do know, based on genetic and linguistic studies that there were several waves of immigration around this time, and that it is possible to provide rough groupings of each.
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