I just have to say this

[Mr. SmartyPants]

First off, I love CAA. It's a really nice place to hang out with (or stay on for the majority of my day x__x) But there are some issues I've come across, and it doesn't seem they are being resolved.

I guess the biggest issue is the moral standards with some people. Sometimes in the CAA chats (and also chats/IMs outside of CAA) I do come across vulgar and/or sexual jokes/references tossed around. And I for one am sick of it. It feels like it's losing the "Christian" atmosphere. People (And I mean more than just one person. You people should know who you are) try to find scapegoats by going "well person x started it" or "It's okay if I say it, it's just a word and I didn't use it in a negative connotation". In essence attempt to justify their actions. And to that I say no. Do people even realize that we have a large number of minors in this place? Even if you do drop a couple F-bombs somewhere without any negative connotation, your still conforming yourself to the world's standards. Which is something that is not part of the Christian belief system. If we're being all hunky dory on CAA, and then spill out every swearword known to mankind on our xanga/livejournal/whatever, what are we really doing? What are we being? And to also note that this is in writing. It's one thing to slip up a few swearwords when verbally communicating, but when writing on a blog? It's illogical to say "I typed that by accident" let alone not even edit it later. The mod's don't have the ability to monitor all PMs and Chats and especially IM's. So guys, just be more responsible and wholesome.

Another problem I have seen, on a more individual scale. We seem to put on this "mask of Christendom" and offer Christian advice, and then on different occasions it reflects the opposite. I see this time to time when chatting with people via IM. People saying innapropriate things here and there. Of course, is this something that can be changed by others? Not really, moreas it is something the individual has to be willing to accept change and pursue change. I understand that nobody is perfect, we're all fallible. But do we use that as an excuse? Or do we passionately try to get closer to the father and be like Christ?

[Rogie]

I respect your comments, MSP, and I would encourage all members to listen closely to what he's saying.

And I would also heavily encourage people to watch what they say in response to this thread and/or in the chat. There will be consequences for anyone reacting negatively or hatefully.

Carry on.

[Sakura15]

Good post Ryan. I agree with you 100%

The really sad thing is, I see this not only online. But in church as well, people put on fronts and act like good "Christians" then in their online journals..or outside church, I hear them cussing, it's quite sad. I know, no one is perfect, but they know what they are doing, and they aren't angry when they are cussing either, they use it like regular speech.

As Christians we should be doing what God finds pleasing. And contrary to what some people think, there are verses in the bible about swearing.

"But you yourselves are to put off these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, FILTHY LANGUAGE OUT OF YOUR MOUTH" Colossians 3:8

That doesnt just mean swearing, but crude jokes like you were saying. As Christians we should have a higher standard than that.

So, Amen brother.

[ShiroiHikari]

Well, personally, I don't think it's anyone's business what other people write in their journal. That's their journal, and reading it is not mandatory. If you don't like someone's journal, don't look at it.

I also think there are a lot more serious things to worry about than saying some words that society has deemed to be "bad". Like gossip and lying and talking behind people's backs.

Now, cutting down on the crude humor in the chat would probably be a good idea at this point. But asking the mods to monitor private chats and IMs just to make sure everybody's being niceynicey to each other all the time? That's not right. That should be left up to the individuals. You can't expect the mods to start invading people's privacy.

[Sakura15]

Well, personally, I don't think it's anyone's business what other people write in their journal. That's their journal, and reading it is not mandatory. If you don't like someone's journal, don't look at it.

I also think there are a lot more serious things to worry about than saying some words that society has deemed to be "bad". Like gossip and lying and talking behind people's backs.

Now, cutting down on the crude humor in the chat would probably be a good idea at this point. But asking the mods to monitor private chats and IMs just to make sure everybody's being niceynicey to each other all the time? That's not right. That should be left up to the individuals. You can't expect the mods to start invading people's privacy.

It may be their journal, but it's there for the public to see. Christian and non-Christian alike, what kind of message does that give non-christians? if we lower ourselves to the same standards as they have, why should they want to change? what difference is there in the way we live and the way they live?

Well, yes those things are wrong too, but thats not what this thread is addressing.

Umm, I dont think he said that.

The mod's don't have the ability to monitor all PMs and Chats and especially IM's

He said the mods DONT have the ability to do that.

[ChristianKitsune]

I agree whole heartedly...and before I continue I apologize deeply to everyone hear if I am guiltly of this...

I know yesturday I called someone a really nasty name..(its not one of the 5 main curse words, but still not something I need to be saying....)

As a Christian...I feel horrible...that I said that...everyone made a huge deal out of it...and I can understand why.. I NEVER talk that way...or I try really hard not to....so...I am going to apologize to my class tmw....for slandering not only that person's name but Slandering Christ as well... I also apologize to my fellow christians for that...

I am not a perfect person...but I should look at the Christian part of my title...and self...and realize that whatever I say is a reflection of who I am. Am I a Christian? OR a girl of the world?

I want to be a good witness....and lately...I have messed up... I don't know if I have let anything slip on CAA or not...and I pray I haven't....so I apologize if I have...

Thanks Ryan....I needed this conviction...

~~~CR

[Sakura15]

I agree whole heartedly...and before I continue I apologize deeply to everyone hear if I am guiltly of this...

I know yesturday I called someone a really nasty name..(its not one of the 5 main curse words, but still not something I need to be saying....)

As a Christian...I feel horrible...that I said that...everyone made a huge deal out of it...and I can understand why.. I NEVER talk that way...or I try really hard not to....so...I am going to apologize to my class tmw....for slandering not only that person's name but Slandering Christ as well... I also apologize to my fellow christians for that...

I am not a perfect person...but I should look at the Christian part of my title...and self...and realize that whatever I say is a reflection of who I am. Am I a Christian? OR a girl of the world?

I want to be a good witness....and lately...I have messed up... I don't know if I have let anything slip on CAA or not...and I pray I haven't....so I apologize if I have...

Thanks Ryan....I needed this conviction...

~~~CR

I've never seen you say anything on here like that.

It is hard sometimes, because we have to remember who we are representing. I'm not saying I never struggle with this, I hope I didnt come across as 'perfect' or anything because I certainly am not. I dont struggle with swearing, just...saying unkind things to people. It's something I really have to work on.

[Mave]

I haven't been on the chatroom or visited anyone's blogs lately but I'm not totally surprised to hear this.

Now, I'll leave blogs out in my next few comments since they do not fall under the jurisdiction of CAA. However, on the chatroom, if I requested a member to tone down their language or crude humor, I would expect them to honor it. If they do not, I would like to think that I have every right to report them to the mods.

As a whole (which applies to blogs), I agree that each one of us should always take responsibility for the words that we say online and offline because like it or not, what we say affects others to a degree.

[Nate]

You know, I could give my speech about swearing, and how I feel about words, but at this point, it would just be wasted.

If you don't like my Livejournal, unsubscribe. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read it. You don't want to be friends with me, you don't like me, no one's forcing you to.

Everyone has things they don't like about people. If it bugs you so much, don't talk to them. I have a few people on CAA I cannot talk to because they do things that I don't like, and rather than talk to them and get irritated, I ignore them.

I agree with Shiroi that such things should be left out of the CAA chat and on the forums proper, but a person's journal is their journal.

All I have to say is remember Romans 14. I'm done talking about this subject.

[Mangafanatic]

Hey guys,

As everybody's friends, I just want to pop in for a moment and give my two cents (and I'll hope it makes some SENSE! *is stoned for horrible play on words*.)

First, here at CAA we do not prohibit anyone from coming to us-- be that the strongest Christian or the weakest Christian. As people accountable to Christian, everyone of us should be concerned about the words and thoughts which proceed from our fingertips, in this case. On the boards and in the chat, the staff requires everyone to hold to standards which are pure and proper, because when people look at a community which associates itself with Christ they will judge him based on those people, but I would hope those would be standards we would all hold individually because we care about makin' Jesus look good. I don't keep a reign over my mouth because language is "bad", I do it because I would hate myself if anyone ever heard me say "d*mn" and pictured Jesus doing it. That would just make me cry. That is why I would hope that each of us would refrain from dirty jokes or profanity here and anywhere else that the sacred reputation of My Jesus might be smeared because of it.

However, I also want to encourage those who are stronger among us to be very careful about how we correct those be believe are in the wrong. We are to speak the truth-- always, but we are to speak the truth in love. The right words said the wrong way can be more damaging than the silence which might have existed otherwise. When we use foul language, people make assumption about Christ, but also in the way we correct people will those on the outside make assumption about Jesus. Be careful that you do not cause harm in the way you attempt to "restore" your brother.

For the record, I love you guys. A lot.

[ChristianKitsune]

Romans 14
The Weak and the Strong
1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. 2One man's faith allows him to eat everything, but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The man who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.

9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "[a] 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. [B]16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

19Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall.

22So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

I don't think ryan ment anything negative by this thread...Shiroi or Kae, but he is correct....If that offends you...than I am sorry, but to act one way...and then to act another way breaks the fellowship that all christians should have.

This isn't about One person's views. ITs about GOD'S views. Sakura15 hit on the mark with her verse earlier. "But you yourselves are to put off these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, FILTHY LANGUAGE OUT OF YOUR MOUTH" Colossians 3:8

It's not judgemental if you are saying these things out of LOVE and I truly believe this was the case...otherwise..what is the point of Pastors who say the same to their congregation?

It may be one's journal, and you may cuss (using "you" loosely here...as a gen term) but what are you reflecting? What do nonchristians think?

Again, I agree with Sakura, WHAT MAKES US DIFFERENT?! What sets us apart?
Sometimes the greatest reason for Atheism...is Christians who say "JESUS IS LORD" but then deny him with their actions.... (something that I am dealing with AT THIS MOMENT.) The comment I made yesterday shocked everyone...and it even shocked me..that I would say such a thing... I am glad I am ashamed...because now I am working to change what I did..I can't take it back, as much as i wish too... all I can do is apolgize..and move on..

but as a Site that says that the majority of the members are christians, it looks strange to a non christian who visits.

sorry If stepped on toes..this was not my intention, for I amjust as guilty here...

as for the verses I highlighted... I think that in some ways the things we say...can be stumbling blocks...

I think the next part I highlighted has to do with Mave's statement, if someone is offended by what you "Eat" (or say) then stop eating (or saying) that particular thing. That is love.

I think the other parts I highlighted are self explanitory...

[Da Rabid Duckie]

Hey guys,

As everybody's friends, I just want to pop in for a moment and give my two cents (and I'll hope it makes some SENSE! *is stoned for horrible play on words*.)

First, here at CAA we do not prohibit anyone from coming to us-- be that the strongest Christian or the weakest Christian. As people accountable to Christian, everyone of us should be concerned about the words and thoughts which proceed from our fingertips, in this case. On the boards and in the chat, the staff requires everyone to hold to standards which are pure and proper, because when people look at a community which associates itself with Christ they will judge him based on those people, but I would hope those would be standards we would all hold individually because we care about makin' Jesus look good. I don't keep a reign over my mouth because language is "bad", I do it because I would hate myself if anyone ever heard me say "d*mn" and pictured Jesus doing it. That would just make me cry. That is why I would hope that each of us would refrain from dirty jokes or profanity here and anywhere else that the sacred reputation of My Jesus might be smeared because of it.

However, I also want to encourage those who are stronger among us to be very careful about how they correct. We are to speak the truth-- always, but we are to speak the truth in love. The right words said the wrong way can be more damaging than the silence which might have existed otherwise. Also, in the way you correct do people make assumption about Jesus. Be careful that you do not cause harm in the way you attempt to "restore" your brother.

For the record, I love you guys. A lot.

*hugs Osaka*

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

You know, I could give my speech about swearing, and how I feel about words, but at this point, it would just be wasted.

If you don't like my Livejournal, unsubscribe. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read it. You don't want to be friends with me, you don't like me, no one's forcing you to.

Everyone has things they don't like about people. If it bugs you so much, don't talk to them. I have a few people on CAA I cannot talk to because they do things that I don't like, and rather than talk to them and get irritated, I ignore them.

I agree with Shiroi that such things should be left out of the CAA chat and on the forums proper, but a person's journal is their journal.

All I have to say is remember Romans 14. I'm done talking about this subject.

I totally understand that one should not be judgemental towards one another. However understand that it is a Christian's duty to uplift those who are falling in some areas. If every Christian only sought for themselves, it wouldn't be a very good place now would it?

True I am never forced to have to read someone's journal. But it's not a matter of me reading someone's journal, it's a matter of what the other person is putting in their own journal. Whether I read a journal or not, whether it's private or public, it is seen by God. He's seeing people type their feelings and emotion out.

[Puritan]

I, too, have been shocked at some of the things that I have seen people say the few times I have been in the chat. I agree completely that we must be careful not to be overly judgemental of people's speech, I have known people who come from different cultures or who have had a rough past and speak more roughly than I would like, but I need to be careful not to judge them. At the same time, however, we do need to watch what we say. Mangafanatic put it perfectly, we are image bearers of Christ and need to strive to live up to that. We will all slip up at times, but we must strive to keep our speech pure to keep our speech from causing people to stumble. We can argue all day about whether it is appropriate to use crude speech in private or on our own off-site journals, but in everything we do we must strive to live up to the standards of Christ and be uplifiting to other Christians, and I can't see that talking in a crude manner or using sexual innuendo in our speech is either worthy of Christ or uplifiting to our brothers and sisters.

[The Last Bard]

I agree Mr. SP Even though I'm not innocent myself, I'm getting tired of people talking trash when not being watched by fellow Christians.
As you may tell; I have some friends like this.

But thank you for posting this.

[Kanerou]

I've seen the same, and I'm not saying I'm perfect. That aside... the subject of blogs seems rather touchy. Myself, I have to go by what my parents think, which means I cannot access the blog of one of my friends. But it's her choice what language she uses, and while such does reflect badly upon Jesus, it's their choice. It's good to bring up how it looks, but they're still going to make the decision. As for the chat: by all means, clean it up. Just leave the violence in.

As an aside, if people want to be that way in chat, why don't those people set up an off-site chatroom? Maybe set it to where people don't just stumble onto it, and let them know what to expect. Same for blogs: warn people if there's language, and if they still read it, that's their deal.

[Sakura15]

I want to apologize if anything I said seemed judgemental and self-righteous, I didn't mean it that way at all.

However understand that it is a Christian's duty to uplift those who are falling in some areas.

That is all I sought to do with what I said, I meant it in love. And im sorry if it came across otherwise.

[Steeltemplar]

Well, personally, I don't think it's anyone's business what other people write in their journal. That's their journal, and reading it is not mandatory. If you don't like someone's journal, don't look at it.

I also think there are a lot more serious things to worry about than saying some words that society has deemed to be "bad". Like gossip and lying and talking behind people's backs.

Now, cutting down on the crude humor in the chat would probably be a good idea at this point. But asking the mods to monitor private chats and IMs just to make sure everybody's being niceynicey to each other all the time? That's not right. That should be left up to the individuals. You can't expect the mods to start invading people's privacy.

I agree with everything said here. There would be no need for me to simply reword and repeat. Shiroi said it perfectly.

[chibizerox]

To me, blogs aren't a big problem. Its that person's tiny chunklet of the internet, and he/she can do whatever with it. If you don't like the opinion given on that particular blog, then quit criticizing it and go somewhere else.

[Arnobius]

Not participating in CAA Chat myself, I was reading this thread and was struck by a few thoughts:

Instead of saying that perhaps someone is acting hypocritical by controlling their speech here and posting rougher speech on other sites and IM not a part of CAA, perhaps we could take it to mean that some members are doing their best to respect the rules of CAA when they post.

I mean I'm not proud of the way I speak where I work. It's a blue collar production line, run at high speed where a split second can be the difference between smooth running and disaster. Strings of 4-letter words are common there. However, coming to CAA, I make my best effort to put that language aside and abiding by the rules of decency imposed here. I fully understand and accept that the Admins and Mods have the right to set and enforce the rules.

However, away from CAA, I write as I see fit. I don't advocate writing like someone from South Park, but it is my business to decide how I want to write away from CAA and I would rather resent it if someone from CAA tried to impose sanctions.

The exception to this would be public scandal. If I were to have a site that was clearly scandalous and easily linked to CAA for all to see (like a link in a sig file) I could understand CAA members sanctioning me.

[Debitt]

I think many people are well aware of what goes on in the chat/journals/whatever, and to me the only thing one can do if the behavior SERIOUSLY bugs you that much, is to lift them up in prayer. Because outside of that, someone's behavior in private journals or while they're in the company of a select few, is totally between them and God.

For some reason a big thread on this topic struck a strange chord with me, and I wonder if any requests towards more proper behavior have been made in private - obviously some people know who they are, and some people know who's responsible, and the feelings may become a little more bitter in a public forum as opposed to a few polite requests one on one through PM or IM.

I totally realize that our behavior should reflect the spirit of Christ, but at the same time one cannot expect a thread on a messageboard or mod monitoring can change a person's heart deep down if they're having problems.

[Steeltemplar]

For some reason a big thread on this topic struck a strange chord with me, and I wonder if any requests towards more proper behavior have been made in private - obviously some people know who they are, and some people know who's responsible, and the feelings may become a little more bitter in a public forum as opposed to a few polite requests one on one through PM or IM.

Another excellent point. The likelihood that this thread will stop someone from swearing outside of the jurisdiction of CAA rules is low. However, the likelihood that this thread will annoy or even anger that person is much higher. I should say that it is better to try a friendly "Hey, that's not cool." approach in private than to make a public thread, even if you do not mention names.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Instead of saying that perhaps someone is acting hypocritical by controlling their speech here and posting rougher speech on other sites and IM not a part of CAA, perhaps we could take it to mean that some members are doing their best to respect the rules of CAA when they post.

Perhaps, but the general message I was saying wasn't reffering to just CAA. Rather anywhere, let what you write down as your thoughts and emotions something that reflect something christlike. (Edit: Not saying you can't vent of course. Just be more warey of the words you select)

To me, blogs aren't a big problem. Its that person's tiny chunklet of the internet, and he/she can do whatever with it. If you don't like the opinion given on that particular blog, then quit criticizing it and go somewhere else.

First off, welcome to CAA =D Good to see a new member. I see that you are (quoting from your signature) that you are not here for the relgiion, just the anime. (That's perfectly fine by the way =p)

I will also say that I respect your opinions. But do I agree with them? No I do not. Because I do not agree with what you say, I am looking at this at a Christian perspective. I agree with what I am saying because, simply put, it is in scripture and part of my belief. And I do my best to abide by what's part of my belief. Which also means that I can and choose to "criticize" (I find that a bit too strong, perhaps mediate would work?) something which somebody else writes, as that is one thing a Christian is obligated to do. Of course I will not go "zoh em geez you blasphemer!" but rather in a loving and respectful manner. If I sound antagonistic, I'm sorry ^^;;

[chibizerox]

Yet, its the owner of said blog that has the choice of whether to take the advice of critics, or do what he/she likes. As one evaluating whatever is on the blog, you can only give feedback, not change his opinion. Thats up to the owner.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Yet, its the owner of said blog that has the choice of whether to take the advice of critics, or do what he/she likes.

I am not saying that I am forcing anybody to abide by what I see as right. (or in a non-relative statement, what is right) Rather telling them (other Christians) what is right and what they need to try to fix.

On another note: Let's not discuss ethical relativism here please? Basic principal is that Christianity has moral absolutes and does not agree with relativism.

[The Last Bard]

Say I had a blog, and in that blog I posted things like, "I just got back from church." Then in my next post I was saying something to the extent of, "Why would he like that ________(Insert something we shouldn't be saying)?!"
What is that saying about our religion?
Not only will that make Christianity look bad, but also, not too many people like someone who claims to be one thing, but lives differently. Christian or non-Christian.

But that's just the way I feel. And I'm not the smartest person to ever walk the earth.

[Rogie]

The Last Bard makes a valid point.

Also, I personally think that many of you are misunderstanding MSP's intentions of this thread. He as a Christian is troubled by the behavior of his fellow Christians. I think he is certainly intelligent enough to understand that he himself cannot change anyone. His comments were made to shed light on this behavior. If any of you feel convicted by his comments and led to feel as if you are doing something wrong, then God has spoken through this member. If you feel guilty by what he has stated in a calm, respectful manner, then perhaps there is something to think about there.

Furthermore, if this thread continues with the debating and bad attitudes, it will be locked.

[Debitt]

Yet, its the owner of said blog that has the choice of whether to take the advice of critics, or do what he/she likes. As one evaluating whatever is on the blog, you can only give feedback, not change his opinion. Thats up to the owner.

I don't think MSP is so much concerned with the CAN as he is with the SHOULD. We CAN say anything in our blogs that we want, yes, but SHOULD we? That's basically what this all seems to boil down to, not just in blogs, but in day to day life as well.

[Bobtheduck]

Perhaps, but the general message I was saying wasn't reffering to just CAA. Rather anywhere, let what you write down as your thoughts and emotions something that reflect something christlike.

In other words, Lie... Not all of us are feeling positive, Journals are a place to vent. I'm not going to censor myself on a journal. That doesn't make me any less Christian. I actually resent that sentiment quite a lot. I won't even get into the cussing issue in the open, but you can always PM me if you'd like.

I think a bigger issue is how much we've opened ourselves to each other without expecting any consequences. There are consequences for hiding, and consequences for revealing. The internet isn't as anonymous as people tend to think, there will always be someone who can find out about you if they try hard enough and want to enough. A non christian would be just as likely to get a bad impression from me saying some word that some people consider "bad" as they would from me speaking out against obvious sins. From one they consider us hypocrites (because many believe that all Christians believe the same way) and the other they consider us intolerant and stuck up.

Controling your tongue and not uttering harmful things is about not gossiping, and not tearing people down and setting people up to sin. Plain and simple. Well, PM me for the rest, if you're interested. Getting offended and leaving? Meh... I guess it's your decision. I've made that decision a few times, and changed my mind, but really there's no reason to get offended by people here and leave. Discuss it with them, perhaps.

EDIT: Well, we discussed it in private. While we disagree, I think we've come to a truce so no hard feelings. ^_^ As for those of us who haven't, well... Just decide if it's really worth it I guess...

[Mr. SmartyPants]

In other words, Lie... Not all of us are feeling positive, Journals are a place to vent. I'm not going to censor myself on a journal. That doesn't make me any less Christian. I actually resent that sentiment quite a lot. I won't even get into the cussing issue in the open, but you can always PM me if you'd like.

Ehhh no >_> I was hoping nobody would of seen it like that. I'm not saying to not vent on a blog or whatever. Just be careful with your words.