Avatar: Anime or Not?

Postby **Tommy** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:58 pm

Me and my friend got into a heated arguement in school today.
I said to my friend that Avatar was an American-Made show with Naruto influences.

He said that 20 year old kids on the Nickelodeon and IGN told him it was a full-fledged anime. He believed them.

Is it anime or fakime like IGPX?

If you believe its either, please post a link to back you up that tells it like it is. Please make sure this link is 100% rliable or he won`t believe me.

Postby **MasterDias** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:18 pm

No, it's not anime. It's an american made show that is influenced by anime, like Teen Titans. It was produced in California and apparantly animated in South Korea if this wikipedia article is correct.

And if wikipedia isn't reliable enough for you than Animation Insider also says that it was produced in the U.S.

I don't have an opinion on the series as I haven't seen it, but it has been winning a bunch of awards and apparantly has actual martial-arts fight choreography, something rather rare in American animated programs.

Postby **Myoti** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:30 pm

I don't have an opinion on the series as I haven't seen it, but it has been winning a bunch of awards and apparantly has actual martial-arts fight choreography, something rather rare in American animated programs.

Yes, it does. I put off everything to watch the entire 9 hour marathon. For a fakime kid's, it's pretty darn good.

Postby **pillar_anime7** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:27 am

"fakime". That's a new one on me. it must be a combination of the words "fake anime" or something similar to it.

Postby **Warrior 4 Jesus** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:08 am

I'm guessing shows like Dragon Booster are also 'fakime'? (what a strange word)

Postby **rocklobster** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:28 am

Warrior 4 Jesus wrote:I'm guessing shows like Dragon Booster are also 'fakime'? (what a strange word)

Yep. But Dragon Booster 's style threw me off. I'm not that offended of this, but then, I'm not an elitist. :eyebrow:

Postby **Tommy** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:38 am

Sweet, I can finally put an end to this arguement.

Myoti, the One Piece dub owns Avatar IMO.

The Naruto influences are so obvious.

Postby **RedMage** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:23 am

If the One Piece dub is better than Avatar, Avatar must SUCK.

Postby **mitsuki lover** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:15 pm

Wasn't IGPX co-produced by Toonami and a Japanese company?If so wouldn't it be closer to real anime than avatar that was produced entirely in the States?

Postby **Tommy** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:18 pm

RedMage wrote:If the One Piece dub is better than Avatar, Avatar must SUCK.

You got it!

Postby **Shao Feng-Li** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:21 pm

Anyone with half a brain would just look at the credits...

Postby **GrubbTheFragger** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:38 pm

Ok well A: Avatar is actually very good and is a "fakime" and B: One peice 4kids dub is not better than Avatar cuz well One peices Dubs were absoultly horrible

Website · Postby **beau99** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:02 pm

Tom Dincht wrote:You got it!

Seeing as how I'm a One Piece dub lover, you are incorrect.

Avatar is currently the best thing on TV. Period.

Postby **RedMage** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:21 pm

mitsuki lover wrote:Wasn't IGPX co-produced by Toonami and a Japanese company?If so wouldn't it be closer to real anime than avatar that was produced entirely in the States?

Yes.

Postby **Arnobius** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:52 pm

Fakime? That sounds rather elitist. If looking like anime gets a western production the label fake anime, let's go full circle and call anime "Disney Ripoff" (the anime style of Tezuka... who influenced Japanese anime heavily was inspired by Disney).

If American animators want to make a change so action and deeper stories takes precidence over animation, I say let them.

Postby **TallasLint** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:59 pm

Although Avatar isn't authentic anime, I wouldn't discredit it as a great show. It has been greatly influenced by the japanese anime style, but I wouldn't call it an anime ripoff. Especially considering it is the best american show on any of the kids networks on tv (Nick, Disney, CN). Unlike most of the cartoons created nowadays, Avatar actually has a good plot, some interesting themes, and well developed charaters, the source of it's humor is not from underwear jokes, and the concept is fairly creative.

Postby **Tommy** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:45 pm

beau99: Now, if you said, you enjoyed Avatar, I would let it go but best thing on TV currently?! ).

I insist you go edit that post and say it was your opinion because that my friend, is a load of crap.

It`s not that top rated show. Period.

BTW, I like One Piece. The sub and manga are incredible. The dub is enjoyable but only okay. It used to me my favorite anime until I saw the real side of it.

Postby **GrubbTheFragger** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 6:48 pm

Wow, let`s see you like crappy 4 kids dub and you like Avatar and your 19?!

That is pathetic, but hey, everyone has their own opinion.

Both of those shows are okay at best to me. The reason they are not phenomonal is because of their babiness.

Now, if you said, you enjoyed Avatar, I would let it go but best thing on TV currently?! You mus not like good anime or something because Full Metal Alchemist is IMO the best anime on channels 1-99 (All I have).

I insist you go edit that post and say it was your opinion because that my friend, is a load of crap.

BTW, I like One Piece. The sub and manga are incredible. The dub is enjoyable but only okay. It used to me my favorite anime until I saw the real side of it.

wow some1 is kinda being a little ...now whats the word .....oh yea RUDE but hey maybe u should edit ur post saying thats just ur oppion btw if i offend you Tom i mean to just that was rude

Postby **Arnobius** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:07 pm

Hmm, I don't know CAA's ever taken a stance on a flame, but if not they should in this case.

Postby **GrubbTheFragger** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:19 pm

sorry Tom i noticed that made me look like a jerk i don't mean to be sorry but anyways when beau99 said its the bast thing on TV i think he meant like Nick and disney but oh well

Postby **Nate** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:20 pm

Gee, I thought the fact that I posted something under my name meant it was my opinion. I usually don't state other people's opinions in my posts. Oh well.

Postby **Shao Feng-Li** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:42 pm

Tom, grow up and realize that people don't have to state it when they're giving their opinion. You're being horridly rude and that's a fact and not an opinion.

Postby **RedMage** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:13 pm

GrubbTheFragger wrote:sorry Tom i noticed that made me look like a jerk i don't mean to be sorry but anyways when beau99 said its the bast thing on TV i think he meant like Nick and disney but oh well

There is no need for you to apologize. It is Tom who should be apologizing to you. His conduct is reprehensible.

Postby **Tommy** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:38 am

RedMage wrote:There is no need for you to apologize. It is Tom who should be apologizing to you. His conduct is reprehensible.

No he should apologize to me.

beau99 never said it was his opinion.

"Best show on TV. Period."

He`s stating it as fact. When he doesn`t mean opinion, I`m assumming he mean it has the highest rating.
I don`t think an apology is neccessary unless you give me a better reason.

EDIT: Actually GTF, I do aplogize. I was only thinking of one statement that I made, but I guess I bashed him because he liked it and he was 19.
Edited.

Postby **GrubbTheFragger** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 10:18 am

well Tom I agree with two things posted

Gee, I thought the fact that I posted something under my name meant it was my opinion. I usually don't state other people's opinions in my posts. Oh well.

If its under your name its ur oppion and i also agree with RedMage after that little speach u made aka i should appologise to u. Feh !

BTW....thats my oppion

Postby **RedMage** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:08 am

Tom Dincht wrote:No he should apologize to me.

beau99 never said it was his opinion.

"Best show on TV. Period."

He`s stating it as fact. When he doesn`t mean opinion, I`m assumming he mean it has the highest rating.

It goes without saying it's his opinion, virtually everything posted here is. And ratings have nothing to do with whether a show is even any good.

Postby **Nate** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:15 am

RedMage wrote:And ratings have nothing to do with whether a show is even any good.

Seriously, if ratings dictated how good a show was, then Desperate Housewives is an awesome show. :eyeroll:

Postby **GrubbTheFragger** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:17 am

Seriously, if ratings dictated how good a show was, then Desperate Housewives is an awesome show.

*shudders* i wish that show never existed(no offense to fans) *shudders*

Postby **Silent Hunter** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:33 am

kaemmerite wrote:Seriously, if ratings dictated how good a show was, then Desperate Housewives is an awesome show.

good example:lol:

btw - if you want to get technical, it is never necessary in a written item to state that it is in the writer's opinion that .... it's just understood, especially if it's about a controversial subject in which the only right answer is one that correlates with your own opinion.
ex: just like in advertising - do they get on tv and say "in my opinion, this beer is the best around?" well, not that i've noticed, but i've certainly seen MANY advertixements that claim something is "undeniably the best" and they are merely stating an opinion.

all in all, I think everyone's getting a little bit snappy at each other over an animated tv show. Besides this thread was started to answer a question, not argue about who's anime/"fakime" is better than the others'.

that's my humble opinion in this matter, don't shoot me.

Postby **Monkey J. Luffy** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:40 pm

Okay, this is Tom Dincht under Monkey J. Luffy`s name.

I dislike the One Piece dub.

Monkey J. Luffy likes it but it`s under his username so therefore it must be his opinion.

BTW mods: i`m over his house, I didn`t hack into his username. He decided to let me make this post since I can`t log into his name.

Another, BTW, this debate is officially over unless you decide to PM Tom Dincht.

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