Holloween?

[cbwing0]

I mean that is the day that is really his holiday.

The fact that a relatively small number of sick people use the day as an excuse for pagan/satanist rituals does not mean that Halloween is "satan's holiday." People do evil on every day of the year, for a variety of reasons, yet that does not mean that we cannot engage in harmless fun (like dressing up, trick-or-treating, handing out candy, having parties, watching scary movies, etc.).

[Nate]

I didn't say Satan owns the day or something, I mean that is the day that is really his holiday.

And the goddess of the harvest owns Easter, by that logic, meaning that Christians shouldn't celebrate Easter. But know what? Every church I've been to celebrates Easter.

[Jeikobu]

I don't celebrate Easter either (I celebrate Passover). Soon I will have to find one of the tracts my dad has on Halloween. That explains this whole thing better.

[Nate]

I don't celebrate Easter either (I celebrate Passover).

Interesting, and I give you credit for it. However, if you celebrate Christmas, you are still indulging in a pagan tradition known as Yuletide. This is why Halloween is no worse than any other holiday.

[Jeikobu]

I celebrate Christmas to a degree. My family always meets with relatives then so we do somewhat. Besides, I thought the only thing about Christmas was that Constantine wanted to make all these changes to Christianity so he made Christmas the time to celebrate Jesus' birth rather than Hanukkah (I celebrate Hanukkah more seriously than Christmas). And I think if one celebrates Easter or Christmas as celebrating Jesus' death and resurrection/birth, then that's fine. It's like celebrating the Sabbath and going to church on Sunday rather than Saturday. It's not how it originally was but if people are right in their hearts that's all the matters to God. But with Halloween, it has no purpose towards God, and it's still a very dark day. Again, I can elaborate more on this when I find that tract my dad has. I'm not putting anyone down for going out and trick or treating or what ever just to have fun, I'm just saying why I don't celebrate.

[Nate]

But with Halloween, it has no purpose towards God, and it's still a very dark day.

Ever heard of All Saint's Day?

"The name 'Halloween' comes from the Christian tradition. It is derived from 'All Hallow's Eve.' October 31st is the eve of All Hallows day, better known as All Saints Day. This is a day when the church celebrates and remembers the lives of the saints."

I fail to see where the Satanic part comes in.

[Starfire1]

Interesting, and I give you credit for it. However, if you celebrate Christmas, you are still indulging in a pagan tradition known as Yuletide. This is why Halloween is no worse than any other holiday.

So yuletide isn't just something people say around Christmas time? I feel like I've been living under a rock or something after I read this thread, as in I didn't know about half the evil things associated with this holiday. Makes me see why my parents treat it as just another night. I'm still passing out candy though. The kids (and the ones my age) here just come by for candy. As long as you're not purposely focused on devilish things for it or trying to do evil, I'm alright with it.

[Nate]

So yuletide isn't just something people say around Christmas time?

It most certainly isn't. In fact...

Many of the symbols associated with the modern holiday of Christmas such as the burning of the Yule log, the bringing in of a Christmas trees, the eating of ham, the hanging of boughs, holly, mistletoe, etc. are apparently derived from traditional northern European Yule celebrations. - From Wikipedia

The church at the time found it easier to place Christian celebrations on days already marked as pagan holidays. Therefore all holidays we see as traditionally Christian are not.

[Eriana]

I celebrate Christmas to a degree. My family always meets with relatives then so we do somewhat. Besides, I thought the only thing about Christmas was that Constantine wanted to make all these changes to Christianity so he made Christmas the time to celebrate Jesus' birth rather than Hanukkah (I celebrate Hanukkah more seriously than Christmas). And I think if one celebrates Easter or Christmas as celebrating Jesus' death and resurrection/birth, then that's fine. It's like celebrating the Sabbath and going to church on Sunday rather than Saturday. It's not how it originally was but if people are right in their hearts that's all the matters to God. But with Halloween, it has no purpose towards God, and it's still a very dark day. Again, I can elaborate more on this when I find that tract my dad has. I'm not putting anyone down for going out and trick or treating or what ever just to have fun, I'm just saying why I don't celebrate.

Agreed.
I read what Starfire posted and it made sense to me.
Sure, stay up late, eat candy, dress in costumes, but for goodness sake don't let yourselves or your pets out at night.
I don't celebrate Halloween because I do find it to be a VERY Satanic holiday. I won't harass people who just want to have fun with friends and family but I most certainly do not agree with people who will celebrate it even though they know why not too. Its not to smart to debate about something like this because eventually everbody will start throwing burning coals at each other. Everyone has their own opinions maybe we should just leave it at that.

[Kaligraphic]

I gotta give props to Steeltemplar for being a monk - I dressed as a monk for three halloweens. One of them, I spent the whole day as a monk. I had a beard then, so I really looked monkish, and it was cool wearing the garb in my Greek and Spanish classes. (Speaking Greek while dressed as a monk == cool)

But the dangers are really overrated - satanists probably will not burn your cat if he's out on halloween, and your candy will probably not have anything nasty in it. There've only been a relative few cases of nastiness being found, and they just about all came from friends/relatives/acquaintances as pranks.

[starfire]

Still...the dangers ARE out there. You can just BUY a bag of candy if you need the sugar buzz. And where I live, a few years back someone hung a cat on a stopsign. So, I agree with Eriana, it's always better to be safe than sorry.

[Eriana]

Disgusting. -.-;;;
Poor neko...
Satanists will do that, they offer anything or anyone (yes someimes even including people!) That's Really scary to me. I keep all my family and friends inside on Halloween. It's freaky to think of what could happen and has happened.
That must have been freaky seeing a dead cat...hanging there...X.X;;;

[Shao Feng-Li]

Where I lived, there was a public notice, telling everyone to keep their cats indoors. Not much of a holy day is it?

[Starfire1]

*chills* makes me glad i dont have any pets. *remembers the stray cat that wanders the neighborhood and that she considers to be her own cat in a way* oh man...

[Eriana]

There's been a stray cat that's been wandering around my neighborhood also. Poor thing, I hope it doesn't get caught and offered as a sacrifice. They satanists usually will only go after black animals though, but if their desperate enough I think they'll take anyone or anything.

Where I lived, there was a public notice, telling everyone to keep their cats indoors. Not much of a holy day is it?

It is not a holy holiday in any sort of way. Not in any sort of way.

[Nate]

They satanists usually will only go after black animals though, but if their desperate enough I think they'll take anyone or anything.

Sigh. I wanted to stay out of this thread, but I can't anymore. I'm going to give you the facts, and it's up to you if you want to listen or not, but here goes. I'm pretty sure you'll just ignore me, but God won't let me rest until I at least post the truth in here, rather than wild speculations.

Most Satanists don't believe in the Devil. In fact, Satanism is a religion without spirituality. Each member chooses their own spiritual beliefs. This is a good idea because it allows for a custom-tailored belief system and stops other people from pushing their spiritual ideas on anyone else in the name of religion. This is a bad thing because it does sometimes get quite confusing, especially to one on the outside.

Satanists don't sacrifice children or animals. It is highly frowned upon to harm a child at all or to harm an animal for anything other than self-defense or food.

Further, I've noticed you keep referring to Halloween as a "satanic" holiday. It never was. If you've studied religion (like I have) you'd know that paganism and satanism are NOT the same thing. In fact, many pagans dislike satanists almost as much as Christians do. Halloween is based mostly on pagan practices, not satanic practices.

It is not a holy holiday in any sort of way. Not in any sort of way.

I don't want to sound harsh. I really don't. But...had you read what I posted about All Saint's Day, you would know that it is a Christian holiday designed to honor the saints. Therefore, it IS at least somewhat holy, because it is a day to remember the great men of God in history.

This is my last post in this thread. I'm tired of beating a dead horse.

[~Natsumi Lam~]

well i think my plan is foiled... i might have to go to california instead of going trick or treating ..because my friend is having her engagment party.

Hopefully i can do both... if not.. i will buy a lot of candy from Walmart....

~NL~

[TurkishMonky]

i dress up in my suit as a bussinessman, then eat 1-2 pieces of candy that i bought, then go play video games in my room until all the people are gone. (my best friend, who is a 6' 3" stick, put on 5 orange sweatshirts and dressed up like a pumpkin. )

[Stephen]

Kae, I think this is a good place to can this thread. Its gone far enough, and people seem to refuse to listen to each other...its only going to get uglier I fear. Thus, did you hear that? Lock-o