You have forgotten/not thought of one possibility, as N.T. Wright observes in The Challenge of Jesus: Rediscovering Who Jesus Was and Is, our Lord more didn't often teach so much as He did things and then commented upon them when inquired about there meaning. If we are called to be His disciples and emulate Him in everything, surely this is a good method of mission - to act in a way that announces the nature of the kingdom to all. For example, I wonder whether the church would prosper in a greater fashion if they would enact these verses - Luke 14:12-14 ESV He said also to the man who had invited him, "When you give a dinner or a banquet, do not invite your friends or your brothers or your relatives or rich neighbors, lest they also invite you in return and you be repaid. (13) But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind, (14) and you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just." This could not simply be done individually, but as a church, or even Church. What if you set a congregation in funding and actively seeking to bring the poor, the lame and blind, i.e. those suffering from disabilities often excluding them from many things so much of the world does, and then invite them to a great agape (love) feast, one that emulates the great eschatological banquet as Christ did in His own feasts. Yes, if you wish sucess, you must embody the message of the kingdom, to go beyond appearing like another gaijin that is the same as any other, but to embody the Christian message in a way like Him that sets you apart from anything they have ever seen before, then some will ask you what on earth you were doing and why you did it, and then there is your opportunity to explain, which is why you're there in the first place. For what its worth, I recommend importing The Challenge of Jesus: Rediscovering Who Jesus Was and Is for a good look at what Christ was to His first-century Jewish context as a guide to your actions in 21st century Japan. I agree with the media concept and had some totally unique ideas myself though.Heed wrote:Heh, here is a little topic I hope is informative for some of you. I know when I learned what I was about to write I was kind of suprised but it really opened my eyes to the reality of ministry in Japan.
Japan is a totally different battle ground. There are so many ministry "ideas" that many of us fro other countries have that don't work here.
1. Tracts
This method of ministry tat is usually very popular in AMericana nd some other countries, is very ineffective most of the time. Out of thousands of tracts many of the missionaries I know here have passed out, they may have had 1 or 2 people come to their church and not respond to anything that was said.
2. Public Evangelism
It is hard to get up an preach in a public square. Many people may staop and listen but the hearts of the people here, ESPECIALLY the men are very hard. There is a sever lack of love in this country. You may talk and talk until your blue in the face but it is not always effective.
3. Love
As stated above, there s a sever lack of love here. Many of the people don't know how to open their hearts and accept true love. Many men especially were not loved alot growing up, so in turn, they do not know how to love their children or wife is godly way.
4. Japanese Christians
At the church I am working at now, about 93% if not more of the congregation is women. It is like that all over Japan. Men are very hard hearted. Women are much more open to the love of God than the men are. The women are looking for a father's love that they may have lackd growing up. Many of the Christian women I have met here ran away from home at a young age because of physical abuse by their father and/or brother(s).
5. Culture
Most Japanese people won't talk too much. Especially if they are out to dinner. If you look, just about everyone has a cell phone on which they read books, listen to MP3's, or chat or send mail. On a train it is usually ver quiet because the people keep to themselves alot. It is very rare to be invited into a Japanese home. Many of them are ahamed of their houses and/or are very private people.
6. How can we reach them?
One of the best tools I can see here for reaching many Japanese people, especially young people, is media. I am looking into a job now to teach English in Japan. I am in Japan right now but I will be returning to the States for my last year of college.
When I return I want to try to start a Christian Radio station geared toward young people, a Christian music group, and write/produce/draw Christian anime and Manga in Japanese. Yes this is a large task and it will be difficult. I believe God will make much of this happen though.
Japan is a wonderful country and I love it here. It is a beautiful place but the people here need more of God. There is so much immorality. You can see it through the smut shows that show on public TV and the Smut magazines that are sold in stores everywhere that are easily accessable to children.
I don't want to shove Jesus down their throats. I want to give them a real Jesus. I want to show them by living what being a Chirtian means. I want to integrate into their culture and get on thier level. You cannot force feed the gospel to people, especially here in Japan.
I am not a Mr.-know-it-all. All this information I am gathering from living here this summer and serving under a missionary who has been here over 23 years, who still seeks guidance from his aunt who has been a missionary here over 50 years.
I don't quite know how to classify this thread. If you have any thoughts please post them or mail me. I want to raise awareness to this issue. As Christians, seeing other people saved should be outr top priority.
Thanks
That's a half-baked statement of what I'm saying, and perhaps representative of what is causing Christianity to go south (literally rather than figuratively, if Philip Jenkin's thesis holds). To invite people to what does not interest them is perhaps the first mistake. No, what I am talking about is a campaign of symbols, words, deeds, and symbolic deeds. To overturn tables or subvert the gospel of Caesar when necessay, to do outrageous acts of kindness, goodness, and mercy even if it means losing your honor in the sight of others - physician for the sick, not the well, for the sinner, not the righteous. This kind of emulation of Christ is risky, and will probably make you the (to use a Japanese proverb) nail that sticks out that gets smacked back in, but I think the desperation of your actions and thought must show. Why don't they respond? Because they don't take Christianity seriously. Your task in the end is to attempt to think of ways in which they might take it seriously after all. Media is a wonderful tool but it is neglection to be content to not take the gospel of the kingdom with its message of peace, justice, mercy, and judgment out into the real world, and this is your task in the end, not to save as many as you can, but to teach as many as you can this message of salvation and joy or eternal shame, however they respond. I believe what Yeshua Christ Himself was dealing with in many ways similar to that of you missionaries to Japan (which I hope to join when able), I would not neglect the concept of emulating Him in every way possible that was not a unique accomplishment of His own, which would also set you far apart from the typical gaijin.Heed wrote:That is an awesome concept as well as method of ministry. Fankly though, inviting people to special events, concerts, doing certain types of ministry to lame and poor don't work as much. People here are under so much bondage from Bhuddism, Shintoism but the biggest being tradition. They are very set in their ways and, even though, they will accpet kind gestures and acts of kindness and might even listen to you preach, there is no certainty that they will come to Chtrist or even accept what you are saying.
Media is a wonderful tool but it is neglection to be content to not take the gospel of the kingdom with its message of peace, justice, mercy, and judgment out into the real world, and this is your task in the end, not to save as many as you can, but to teach as many as you can this message of salvation and joy or eternal shame, however they respond. I believe what Yeshua Christ Himself was dealing with in many ways similar to that of you missionaries to Japan (which I hope to join when able), I would not neglect the concept of emulating Him in every way possible that was not a unique accomplishment of His own, which would also set you far apart from the typical gaijin.
Of course they are focusing on Africa, China, and Mexico, to quote a Kenyan scholar named John Mbiti cited by Philip Jenkins, "the centers for the church's universality no longer in Geneva, Rome, Athens, Paris, London, New York, but Kinshasa, Buenos Aires, Addis Ababa and Manilla." Indeed, if Mr. Jenkin's thesis (The Next Christendom: The Coming of Global Christianity) holds, Christianity will shift from Europe and America to Africa, South America, and China. It is well that we are training our replacements, with YHWH perhaps the new epicenters will offset the mathematical-type mean incompetance of the European and American churches that lose so much ground despite being better equipped than anyone, perhaps like the American public school districts.Heed wrote:In my Bible college, Africa and China and Mexico are stressed SO much for missionaries. I have never heard Japan really mentioned. I have heard someone say something about it once or twice but the need has never been stressed. It really breaks you inside when it seems that so many Christians are avpoiding something so important.
Suggestion: it seems the trust of Japanese is based on predictability of behavior, among other things. You would do well to read the article at http://www.tektonics.org/af/culturegram.html , itself a full quote of another article since taken offline and only available through http://www.archive.org .As for ministry, I myself really feel I have been getting urges from God to use the Media in Japan to reach the people.[/QUOTE wrote: Good.True, though one should avoid overly inhibiting this out of fear of offending people (which is better than ignorance I think).Yes, acting how Chrost would act, the classic "WWJD" is always a good witness. Emulating a Christ-like lifestyle would have people notice there is something different about you but that is not al that needs to be done.Arggh, Benny Hinn, that foul........[Supresses tongue] Would that YHWH would let Him have what his actions and horrible dishonor of Him deserve.I am not one who is called to save the masses, what I mean by that is I am not called to a ministry like Billy Grahm or Benny Hinn.I like 1 on 1 winessing or even small home groups.
One of the most effective ways to share gospel here is building strong lasting relationships with people. You must gain their trust if they are to consider what you tell them. People here need more than just a preacher, throwing the Bible in their face. They need Chritian friends, they need to be loved.
Well, aparrent coldness is something of the antithesis of storytelling and singing if shared by all the characters, although note that if you look more carefully these emotions are typically spread amongst those in a subgroup of some type, and not generally among outsiders. Besides which, to quote the article previously linked to,Tenshi no Ai wrote:It's werid... cause in JPOP and even anime, they convey emotions and (in many different ways) love in really nice and fancy words! Yet, I know a guy from my old high school that went there on exchange... and yeah apparently they really don't open up their emotions to others, which was his own culture shocker :/
It's a bad sign when the non-Messianic Jews, who if asked would doubtless adamantly deny being a sect of the Christians, are so often considered to be a sect of the Christians. It is questionable whether most manga-kas doing such even care (with possible exceptions in manga-kas like Tezuka Osama, whose familly apologized for his unintentionally making Jews in one manga end up making a Christian style prayer).Phil VanAuken wrote: Tatemae/Honne (“]Once more, from the same source for context,Sad really... a country where business and money is everything and you're not a good Japanese man unless you're committed to your job... or something.Phil VanAuken wrote: Cultural behavior is based on mutual interdependencies that create both power and weakness. This is a key source of stress in Japanese society, because there is no closure of interpersonal and social obligations. Independence is never attained. The Japanese kaisha ("guy-shah") is held together by networks of hierarchical relationships from which individual employees receive their identity and status. To lose ones standing and legitimacy in the kaisha is to lose one’]I somehow have a hard time believing that Taoism would have much of a footing in Japan where the full force of the pursuit of the effortless path would run antithetical to so much of the predominant culture, that also has such an emphasis on harmony and conformity.Sure there's some other forms of spirituality over there like Shintoism and Buddhism and probably even Taoism. I know I studyed these in a comparitive civilizations class and well, *lost my train of thought cause my mind's a little blank and don't wanna say something wrong and have mad know-it-alls correct me^^*But I'll just say that Japan shouldn't be ignored. Even if they have such spiritual beliefs, their hearts still seem to be hard...
Good for you for helpign out there, though! Pretty neat-o sounding! (Wish I could go over to do missions, but not sure if it's even my calling^^)
Hopefully ONE day Japan will get a good idea of Christianity, unlike some seen in unmentionable anime and manga :/
GhostontheNet wrote:Of course they are focusing on Africa, China, and Mexico, to quote a Kenyan scholar named John Mbiti cited by Philip Jenkins, "the centers for the church's universality no longer in Geneva, Rome, Athens, Paris, London, New York, but Kinshasa, Buenos Aires, Addis Ababa and Manilla." Indeed, if Mr. Jenkin's thesis (The Next Christendom: The Coming of Global Christianity) holds, Christianity will shift from Europe and America to Africa, South America, and China. It is well that we are training our replacements, with YHWH perhaps the new epicenters will offset the mathematical-type mean incompetance of the European and American churches that lose so much ground despite being better equipped than anyone, perhaps like the American public school districts.
True, though one should avoid overly inhibiting this out of fear of offending people (which is better than ignorance I think).
Arggh, Benny Hinn, that foul........[Supresses tongue] Would that YHWH would let Him have what his actions and horrible dishonor of Him deserve.
Suggestion: it seems the trust of Japanese is based on predictability of behavior, among other things. You would do well to read the article at http://www.tektonics.org/af/culturegram.html , itself a full quote of another article since taken offline and only available through http://www.archive.org .
Agreed, it seems peace and security seems to engender complacency and all manner of ill traits among many.Heed wrote:There are many reason why there is no focus on Japan and other more prosperous countries. One of the main reason is that the church and the gospel flourishes more under persecution but that should not rule out countries in which there is religious freedom.
If by "ordained to spread the word" you mean one of the false prophets of Dueteronomy that YHWH sends as a test of faith, I must disagree (and if you obviously deny this, I will still hold out to this interpretation). The criteria of Yeshua Christ isHeed wrote:And please, don't put down the men that God has ordained to spread his word. Benny Hinn may have sins in his life but they are just the same as anyone else's sin in God's eyes. Sin is sin.
Hinn fails from this, is shameful to the church, and I will consider him in the same light the Jews considered the tax collectors. Nor, in spite of much contemporary evangelical opinion, is all sin equal in the sight of YHWH, for as Yeshua Christ says in John 19:11, "You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.", indeed, the Greek is]Anyway, there are many ways to reach Japanese people, but many are not as conventional as doing American ministry. I say the only way you can know about it is to come here and experience it first hand. I had my own outsiders veiw of Japan before I came here and now I see how it really is. Don't get me wrong though, I love this country and the people here and I want to see God move mightily. I just think the only way that you can truly understand ministry here is to be here or to have been here already and have been involved in active ministry.[/QUOTE] Probably.Matthew 18:15-17 ESV wrote: "If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
Heed wrote:Heh, here is a little topic I hope is informative for some of you. I know when I learned what I was about to write I was kind of suprised but it really opened my eyes to the reality of ministry in Japan.
Japan is a totally different battle ground. There are so many ministry "ideas" that many of us fro other countries have that don't work here.
1. Tracts
This method of ministry tat is usually very popular in AMericana nd some other countries, is very ineffective most of the time. Out of thousands of tracts many of the missionaries I know here have passed out, they may have had 1 or 2 people come to their church and not respond to anything that was said.
2. Public Evangelism
It is hard to get up an preach in a public square. Many people may staop and listen but the hearts of the people here, ESPECIALLY the men are very hard. There is a sever lack of love in this country. You may talk and talk until your blue in the face but it is not always effective.
3. Love
As stated above, there s a sever lack of love here. Many of the people don't know how to open their hearts and accept true love. Many men especially were not loved alot growing up, so in turn, they do not know how to love their children or wife is godly way.
4. Japanese Christians
At the church I am working at now, about 93% if not more of the congregation is women. It is like that all over Japan. Men are very hard hearted. Women are much more open to the love of God than the men are. The women are looking for a father's love that they may have lackd growing up. Many of the Christian women I have met here ran away from home at a young age because of physical abuse by their father and/or brother(s).
5. Culture
Most Japanese people won't talk too much. Especially if they are out to dinner. If you look, just about everyone has a cell phone on which they read books, listen to MP3's, or chat or send mail. On a train it is usually ver quiet because the people keep to themselves alot. It is very rare to be invited into a Japanese home. Many of them are ahamed of their houses and/or are very private people.
6. How can we reach them?
One of the best tools I can see here for reaching many Japanese people, especially young people, is media. I am looking into a job now to teach English in Japan. I am in Japan right now but I will be returning to the States for my last year of college.
When I return I want to try to start a Christian Radio station geared toward young people, a Christian music group, and write/produce/draw Christian anime and Manga in Japanese. Yes this is a large task and it will be difficult. I believe God will make much of this happen though.
Japan is a wonderful country and I love it here. It is a beautiful place but the people here need more of God. There is so much immorality. You can see it through the smut shows that show on public TV and the Smut magazines that are sold in stores everywhere that are easily accessable to children.
I don't want to shove Jesus down their throats. I want to give them a real Jesus. I want to show them by living what being a Chirtian means. I want to integrate into their culture and get on thier level. You cannot force feed the gospel to people, especially here in Japan.
I am not a Mr.-know-it-all. All this information I am gathering from living here this summer and serving under a missionary who has been here over 23 years, who still seeks guidance from his aunt who has been a missionary here over 50 years.
I don't quite know how to classify this thread. If you have any thoughts please post them or mail me. I want to raise awareness to this issue. As Christians, seeing other people saved should be outr top priority.
Thanks
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