REAL zombie dogs

[the_lizardqueen]

What I don't get is...how would this work on humans? If the body dies, there's nothing left for the soul to do but evacuate. What would happen if you brought the body back? Would the soul return, or would the human just be...an animal?

I don't like this at all. Death is a part of life...this seems too much like, I don't know, cheating death or something.

You totally nailed what I've been thinking, but with a lot more eloquence than I could have mustered.

[cbwing0]

Zombie dogs=TOTALLY AWESOME

Except for the rather grumpy dog in the photo, these "zombies" lack some important features of movie zombies. Namely:

1. They don't crave living (same-species) flesh.
2. If one of these dogs bite you, you will not become a zombie.

At least the article didn't say anything about that...

You guys can have your guns. I'll take a crowbar, a hammer, and some random blades (as The Zombie Survival Guide says, "Blades don't need reloading."). And if they break I'll pry the guns out of your cold dead hands .

[Locke]

[quote="cbwing0"]Zombie dogs=TOTALLY AWESOME

Except for the rather grumpy dog in the photo, these "zombies" lack some important features of movie zombies. Namely:

1. They don't crave living (same-species) flesh.
2. If one of these dogs bite you, you will not become a zombie.

At least the article didn't say anything about that... ]


*Locke holds up that book*

Long hair < Short hair . Always remember that.

[Jasdero]

This is really awesome... Someone showed me this article a few days ago, and I was in a mixture of "whoa! that's creepy!!" and "*__*;; wow, that's so cool!"

[christianfriend]

Yeah im with you Sunako..its a mix of "Cool and Creepy"

[Felix]

*words like "cool" and "creepy" come to mind* Wow...that;s a little scary and a lot cool.

[Azier the Swordsman]

[quote="cbwing0"]Zombie dogs=TOTALLY AWESOME

Except for the rather grumpy dog in the photo, these "zombies" lack some important features of movie zombies. Namely:

1. They don't crave living (same-species) flesh.
2. If one of these dogs bite you, you will not become a zombie.

At least the article didn't say anything about that... ]

Correct advice. I keep a Samurai sword myself just in case. I do need to buy a sharper one though. The blade is too dull.

[desperado]

only thing though abouy a blade is if its a virus type zombie the blood would be on the blade and the virus would get all over the blade. That be why the only way to fight zombies is with projectiles

seriously though why are they calling those dogs zombies when they show no signs of zombification and they werent revived using a virus...

[cbwing0]

only thing though abouy a blade is if its a virus type zombie the blood would be on the blade and the virus would get all over the blade.

That's a benefit: after your first kill you have an instant poisoned blade to use in case you find any hostile humans.

[TrigunX89]

slowly life turns to a videogame

And cyberpunk comes closer to reality.

I still don't like this at all.

[KBMaster]

Wow, that is creepy.

And, you're all worng. The best way to kill zombies is with firey arrows. That way, when you shoot a zombie and he catches on fire, he'll run around in circles and catch the other zombies on fire.

[Ichigo_89]

I don't think the same situation with a human would work. The Bible clearly states that when a person dies, that's that. No FMA tricks. LOL

[termyt]

In the case of this article, you aren't really dying. You just enter a state of suspended animation.

It stretches the concept of how we interpret "death" but I would wage that our counterparts of centuries past may have voiced some of the same opinions about open heart surgery. You literally die on the operating table and then are brought back to life once the surgery is complete. Today, the time we have to complete such a surgery is measured in minutes. With this technology, that time could be increased to hours.

However, to be prepared for the worse case, I will keep my guns. There's something to be said for dispensing zombies from a distance before they can get within biting range. I also have an excellent war hammer as a back up. Very good for smashing zombie skulls and not as hard to wield properly as a sword.

[Technomancer]

Traditionally, death was defined as when your heart stops beating, because with older technology and/or medical knowledge, that was pretty much it. However, we know today that the real seat of conciousness is the brain, so monitoring its functioning is probably the most indicative of persons state. If the heart is stopped and the brain is kept supplied with oxygen/nutrients it can continue to function. Likewise, if the temperature is low enough there is a lesser need for oxygen. What these scientists have done is develop something that has been known about for a long time into a (possibly) practical technology. For example, I'm sure we're all aware of stories of children having fallen into icy water and been "dead" for long periods being revived.

[Fsiphskilm]

Guys

[agasfas]

Don't vital organs start shutting down permanent after a few hours of death? So perhaps it's possible to kick start a heart after 3hrs, but without all those other organs, I doubt they would be able to bring back someone who's been dead for more then 6hrs...

Though I could be wrong...

But yeah, at some point I think it becomes somewhat inhuman. People are always looking for a new way to cheat death when death is only inevitable for all humans. What's next, bringing people back from multiple deaths?

[Peanut]

Hmmmmm... I don't like the idea behind this too much. Sure, if this works on humans, than we are going to have a way to save people who probably would have died before. But, isn't another reason for doing this to, as said, cheat death? The other use for this, after all, is to preserve someone who's has a terminal illness, and then revive them when scientist have a cure. So, chances are, some scientist out there is going to try and see if he can resurect something or someone several years after he's put them in this state. Even though this sounds positive, I still think it sounds like we're trying to find a way to worm out of death. Death is a part of life, its what frees people from pain, suffering, and for many, it gets us closer to God.

As for the chance of zombies appearing thanks to this. I don't think it will happen, but just in case <grabs nearby bible, runs up stairs and grabs metal bats hidden in closet, comes back to computer> Well, I'm off to ryan's house, the land of blunt samurai swords and a cable modem connection so we can check and see if the zombies are coming yet. Oh yeah, quick word of advice, DON'T SET THE ZOMBIES ON FIRE UNTILL THEIR Brains ARE DAMAGED. Trust me, I've tried lighting them on fire in Timespliters:Future Perfect, while their still moving, and it just makes them want to set you on fire instead of transfer their virus. <Leaves computer with stuff and starts running towards Ryan's house where he has a strange feeling that this is going to be one of those "Shaun of the Dead" kind of days>.

[ShiroiHikari]

Guys... -_- people don't go to heaven or hell until the judgement, and that ain't happening until the end of the earth when Jesus returns and the souls of the dead are raised from their graves and called unto the Great Judgement that awaits us all.

Some people have gotten a sneak peak into heaven so they can go back on earth and tell people about it. But that's because they're not completely dead. Until the End of the World we're all just a bunch of dead bodies in coffins, with dormant souls.

Also, yes the blood was replaced, and the dogs are fine, for anyone who read the article to the end. There was NO brain-damage, the dogs are FINE. They were COMPLETELY dead, no heart beat, no brain activity, nothing.

Jesus said "they aren't dead, but are meerly sleeping", Not to mension the countless people that were brought back to life by miracles.

Yeah, but the body is a house for the soul. Where does it go when its house is no longer suitable to live in? I don't think it goes to heaven or hell right after death. But it has to go SOMEWHERE. That's just the way I see it though...I could be wrong. It doesn't really say for certain.

Jesus bringing people back with His power and us bringing back people through science...is it just me, or is there a pretty big difference there?

I'm also skeptical about this whole "near-death experience" thing.

[Slater]

Bible says that life is in the blood... I won't want to have that removed from me.

[Yojimbo]

Yeah, but the body is a house for the soul. Where does it go when its house is no longer suitable to live in? I don't think it goes to heaven or hell right after death. But it has to go SOMEWHERE. That's just the way I see it though...I could be wrong. It doesn't really say for certain.

Jesus bringing people back with His power and us bringing back people through science...is it just me, or is there a pretty big difference there?

I'm also skeptical about this whole "near-death experience" thing.

And yet still so many Christians won't even consider the concept that Purgatory might exist.

[Destroyer2000]

Um, that's fake...I saw it on GameFAQs not too long ago, and they said it's fake.

[Azier the Swordsman]

I disagree with the aformentioned views on the soul. But I'm not going to post my reasons here, because I fear this thread is slipping into the realms of theology.

Let's try to stay on topic so it doesn't get closed?

[chibi_chan]

Honeslty, I find this whole thing sick and wrong. I beleive this won't turn out well, even if they do bring the person back to life it'll just be a walking corpse with no soul, thus I don't think this will turn out right, humans can't cheat death or play God. Just my opinion (don't hurt me >.<)

[desperado]

I dont really see how trying to save people is playing god. I can see if we started creating new organisms from genetics as playing god. But seriously how is saving lives playing at that? I dont really understand how this is reviving them when we can bring people back from death when they are in open heart surgery or have suffered severe trauma. Maybe im getting to frustrated at this, I certainly dont know, but i do wish people would look at it from all angles.

[shooraijin]

Don't vital organs start shutting down permanent after a few hours of death? So perhaps it's possible to kick start a heart after 3hrs, but without all those other organs, I doubt they would be able to bring back someone who's been dead for more then 6hrs...

Try six minutes. Anoxic brain injury starts to set in around 4 minutes, and is usually irreversible by six. In my advance directives -- yes, I have advance directives even though I'm "only" 28 -- resuscitative efforts are to stop 10 minutes into any code. If I can't be brought back in 10 minutes, I don't want to come back.

In any case, anything that drops metabolism is going to preserve these structures, and that's what you see in people sitting in the bottom of ice cold lakes for 45 minutes who survive.

[Yojimbo]

Guys...I sometimes wonder if people read what others post before making a comment. I suggest you all look back at termyt and technomancer's posts please before we have any more "they're cheating death" posts.

[Lyren]

Hmm, isn't something like this already done for open-heart surgery? Could somebody explain the difference? I am a bit confused about this.

[shooraijin]

Hmm, isn't something like this already done for open-heart surgery? Could somebody explain the difference? I am a bit confused about this.

This is what I remember from the last open-heart surgery I was involved in (this was third year of medical school, about four years ago). Some of the details might be a little glossed over, but the idea is the important thing.

- Tubes from a heart-lung bypass machine are connected up to the great vessels of the heart after the chest is opened up.

- The heart is isolated and infused with a cold fluid called cardioplegia mixed with cooled blood. Cardioplegia is a compound with, among other things, a whopping amount of potassium which in very high doses directly delivered to the bloodstream will stop your heart. (Don't worry. Your body only keeps as much potassium from your diet as it needs, and discards the rest in your urine.)

- Clamps are applied and the blood is redirected from venous return into the heart-lung bypass, and arterial oxygenated outflow from the bypass is directed into the aorta (the main trunk artery). The bypass operates just as it says -- it works to oxygenate the blood, as the lungs would, and pump it out through its artificial chambers. The whole apparatus is kept very cold to minimize metabolic damage, because this is not a physiologic setup. In fact, because the heart is not being properly oxygenated with this technique (the coronary arteries are usually well upstream of the clamps), if it were not kept cold, the heart would suffer irreversible damage. There are now some studies to suggest that under some circumstances you can do this at body temperature, or at room temperature, but this is controversial.

- The surgery is done.

- Afterwards, the venous return shunt is disabled and blood is allowed to re-enter the right side of the heart and pump out through the aorta as the heart-lung bypass itself drains into the aorta and completes. The body is warmed up, and the connections removed in preparation for closing up.

As you can see from all of this, the patient's heart might be stopped, but the rest of the body is not, so this doesn't really quite qualify as the same thing.

If people want some rather weighty reading, here is a study on optimal temperatures for cardioplegia done by the Veterans' Administration health network. Warning, it's rather technical. http://www.va.gov/vatap/pubs/cardioplegia.pdf

[Lyren]

Ah, I see. That makes sense. I really had minimal knowledge of open-heart surgery procedure and when I told a friend about this article, they seemed to equate the two. Thank you for the information!

[Fsiphskilm]

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