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Postby Arnobius » Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:34 pm

He was. That's probably Rowling did that bit about the giants to make him more useful...
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Postby Scribs » Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:16 pm

I wouldn't be suprised if he has a major role in the end.
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Postby Mangafanatic » Mon Mar 07, 2005 7:25 pm

piloswine wrote:I wouldn't be suprised if he has a major role in the end.



Oh, he will. . . Unfortuneately. Honestly, if a main character has to die I hope it's Hagrid.

I'm okay so long as it's not Hermione-chan! (That sounds ridiculously funny, but it makes me happy anyways! :lol: )
Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.

Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.

But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Postby Arnobius » Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:42 pm

What sounded ridiculously funny to me was an interview with JK, where she said that Harry would at least until the last book. I was thinking No kidding?

[size=100]If he died before the last book, you couldn't call it Harry Potter, Could you?

Just hype for the upcoming release.

I preordered this time, since I remember the zoo for "Odor of the Pheonix" ;)
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Postby Scribs » Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:51 am

The cover has been released

It has harry and dumbledore stairing into the pensive on it.

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Postby Rachel » Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:19 pm

Have I mentioned that it comes out on my birthday? I can't wait.
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Postby Mangafanatic » Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:40 am

AnimeHeretic wrote:If he died before the last book, you couldn't call it Harry Potter, Could you?


Sure you could. It would just have to be titled "Harry Potter and the After-life"
Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.

Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.

But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Postby mitsuki lover » Sat Mar 12, 2005 11:34 am

Mangafanatic wrote:Oh, he will. . . Unfortuneately. Honestly, if a main character has to die I hope it's Hagrid.

I'm okay so long as it's not Hermione-chan! (That sounds ridiculously funny, but it makes me happy anyways! :lol: )


Nah,Hermione won't die in the end she'll be revealed to be either the
Queen of All Evil or an Angel sent to look over Harry. :lol:
Just joking of course.We all know who the really Evil Villian is...It's
Harry's Math Teacher! :lol:
(They do have maths at Hogwarts don't they?They should..I think a
math teacher would make the perfect villian..."Now young Harry
show us the interger of this problem or you'll be spending the next
month in detention copying out Euclid in Pig Latin...BAWAHAHAHAER!" :rant:
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Postby Rachel » Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:41 pm

If that were ever to happen, Harry would have my sympathies.
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Postby Rachel » Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:42 pm

If that were ever to happen, Harry would have my sympathies.
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Postby Mangafanatic » Sun Mar 20, 2005 12:39 pm

Yay! We have 100 posts!

So, has everyone seen the HBP cover! If you haven't, you can see it here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0439784549/ref=amb_right-2_165953_1/102-1627861-3226566 .

Well, what's everbody think?
Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.

Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.

But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Postby mitsuki lover » Sun Mar 20, 2005 2:10 pm

Reminds me of one of the most famous lines(other than "He's dead Jim!"
and "I'm a Doctor not a(insert whatever here)!")to come out of Star Trek:
"It's Green!" :lol:
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Postby Aka-chan » Sun Mar 20, 2005 5:23 pm

I can't wait long enough! >.< I must read it now! The cover isn't helping!!
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Postby Mangafanatic » Sun Mar 20, 2005 8:11 pm

Aka-chan wrote:I can't wait long enough! >.< I must read it now! The cover isn't helping!!

I know!! AHH! And to think I've gonna have to wait NINE STINKIN' DAYS AFTER THE RELEASE TO READ IT! ARGH! I CAN'T TAKE IT! *goes to rob Mary Grandpre's house to steal her pre-publication copy of the book*

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Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.

Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.

But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Postby Scribs » Mon Mar 21, 2005 7:16 pm

Shame the cover doesn't really tell us anything about the plot.

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Postby Mangafanatic » Tue Mar 22, 2005 6:55 am

piloswine wrote:Shame the cover doesn't really tell us anything about the plot.

(100 posts! W00t!)



Let's discuss that, shall we?

I'm guessing that the thing that Dumbledore and Harry are peering into is the Pensieve. Do you guys agree?

I'm guessing that it IS the Pensieve. If that's the case*crosses fingers*, maybe we'll get some of that Lily and James back story we've been promised.
Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.

Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.

But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Postby Arnobius » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:35 pm

Rowlings does interesting and readable stories, but the covers are rather uninspired. (Could be worse though. I don't think I'd want to see Harry Potter interpreted by Boris Vallejo or Frank Franzetta :sweat: )

Actually, I think we've been given a lot of the Pensieve already. JK needs to start developing what was established.

[off topic]Has anyone else out there read Barry Trotter and the Unauthorized Parody?[/off topic]
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Postby Aka-chan » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:39 pm

Mangafanatic wrote:I know!! AHH! And to think I've gonna have to wait NINE STINKIN' DAYS AFTER THE RELEASE TO READ IT! ARGH! I CAN'T TAKE IT! *goes to rob Mary Grandpre's house to steal her pre-publication copy of the book*

Care to join me, Aka-chan?

*o* Count me in, Osaka!!

About the cover...I know we're going to be getting a lot of background on Lily and James, but I had always sort of unconsciously thought it would be via other characters or something and didn't give a thought to the Pensieve. I wonder which way would tell it better, now that you've mentioned the possibility. Either way, it will be slightly skewed depending on who's telling/remembering the two.

A friend read some of Barry Trotter to me, but I never read it. It sounded funny from what I heard, though. ^__^
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Postby Arnobius » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:47 pm

Aka-chan wrote:A friend read some of Barry Trotter to me, but I never read it. It sounded funny from what I heard, though. ^__^

Written by a real fan of the series. In a way, it seems to be expressing a concern about the excessive commercialization of the series and worries how it will fare. Funny, though sometimes crass.
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Postby Cedahlia » Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:46 pm

I don't know if this was ever mentioned, and 11 pages is alot of posts to read...so I'll ask this here:

Is the Half-Blood Prince really a prince that is half-blood, or the prince of the half-bloods?
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Postby Scribs » Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:58 pm

I don't know if I has been brought up, and I don't have an answer, beats me.
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Postby Mangafanatic » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:19 pm

Cedahlia wrote:I don't know if this was ever mentioned, and 11 pages is alot of posts to read...so I'll ask this here:

Is the Half-Blood Prince really a prince that is half-blood, or the prince of the half-bloods?



I don't guess any of us will know until we read it, but my guy instinct is that he is the half-blood prince rather than a prince of half-bloods.
Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.

Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.

But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Postby Arnobius » Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:50 am

Here's a spoiler of the final volume's cover
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Postby Aka-chan » Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:39 pm

AnimeHeretic wrote:Here's a spoiler of the final volume's cover

*tsk* Harry is so dead. :lol:

That's a good question, Cedahlia. I think it's a half-blood who somehow turns out to be worthy of the title "prince" of who-knows-what... <.< >.>
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Postby Arnobius » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:36 pm

They're not hyping it like the last one... Maybe because too many people recognized it as hype and the story didn't have too much to say.

I figure, based on past volumes, the Prince is half blood in the sense that he has one muggle parent. Speculation that it could be Hagrid because he's half giant could work if JK is desperate to give Hagrid a useful role...
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Postby VioletEyedCat » Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:46 pm

I spotted this thread weeks ago, and skimmed through it, getting very exciting and very happy until I ran into a very thick problem: I had finished reading the latest Potter book months ago. Gasp! Well, I set out to amend this awful situation, and over spring break I reread the entire series. I also read all twelve pages of comments so I wouldn't needlessly repeat stuff that's already been said- I hate doing that. So now I consider myself equal to the task of posting all my thoughts and opinions on Harry Potter's past, present, and future. Beware- a very long post, in my opinion.

First, there is the matter of Sirius. I believe that the condition that he is in right now will not be reversed. [SPOILER]Luna's conversation with Harry reminded the reader of seeing our dead loved one's in the afterlife- thus comforting both Harry and ourselves. I can see how there is confusion- Rowling never really says straight out why Sirius dies, but if you read it closely you will find a reference of Dumbledore's that will clear things up. He refers to the room with the archway covered with the veil as the 'Death Room' or the 'Execution Chamber', or something to that effect, thus revealing to the reader that the archway behind the veil that Sirius stepped through was some sort of lethal device. This also makes one realize how close Harry was to death when he drew near the archway to investigate the voices and to save Sirius. [/SPOILER]Luckily, Hermione was there the first time, and Lupin there the second.

On to Ron and Hermione. I think that they are absolutely perfect for each other, not just because Rowling is forshadowing the heck out of it, but because they are so dissimilar. I'm a big believer in the opposites attract line of thinking. The way they bicker all the time is just so adorable! I agree with the opinion that Harry and Hermione are just too serious for each other- I find the Harry/Luna coupling amusing, and not such a foolish idea as it may seem. She did know exactly what to say to make Harry feel better, as others have pointed out.

About Snape, Harry's parents, and Sirius' opinion of him. (I bundle this all into one because they kinda interrelate). I love to think about character relationships in a novel, and here I will spout my little theory about Harry and his similarities to his parents. I think that Harry has inherited his father's temper and general personality, but I don't think that he is solely his father. If he was, he'd be as much of a foolish showoff that his father was as a teenager. No, I think Harry has as much of Lily in him as he does of James. His kinder gentler spirit, I believe is evidence of his mother- he is not arrogant, nor does he pick fights like his father did as a teen. Lily's spirit is what prevents him from being that way. That's why I thought it unfair for Snape to treat Harry like he was James. Harry is not his father. That goes for Sirius too- Molly was exactly right when she said Sirius expects him to be too much like James. Poor Harry- I know how the dude feels. I hate being judged as if I were my mother or father. It stinks.

The sixth Harry Potter book will hopefully have a lot of Snape in it- he's such a wonderful character, and in the movie, he's played by one of my favorite actors of all time- Alan Rickman! (Die Hard, Quigley Down Under, etc...) Woohoo! Neville might play an important role in this next one- I mean he was [SPOILER]the other person who the prophecy fit until Voldemort attacked Harry.[/SPOILER] That was a pleasant surprise for me.

Well, I need to go to bed soon, and this post is too long anyway, so I'll halt until later.


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Postby Bobtheduck » Sun Mar 27, 2005 10:16 pm

Luna is in my top 3 favorite characters... I hope she gets together with Harry... ^_^ I mean, I don't know... I just like her character...

ok, so that's not much of a prediction or theory... Just a hope...

I have to admit it was sad to see what happened with Cho... Sad for what she went through, and sad that there was no way for Harry to know how to respond from where he was... Still, Luna seems good for Harry...
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Postby Arnobius » Sun Mar 27, 2005 11:07 pm

It would be nice if Luna got a bigger role, as her character seemed to be the most interesting in Pheonix.

I don't have a problem with Hermione and Ron becoming a couple. It looks like JK has been hinting for awhile. Hermione and Harry would just be too predictable.

I thought Harry and Cho was kind of interesting. A pointless relationship, but so many teen crushes turn out that way when there is only attraction at the base.

I find Snape to be my favorite character. You don't know where he stands, though I suspect he'll end up on the side of right.

There is one thing I hope they address in the upcoming volume:
[spoiler]Harry always runs around behind his teachers' backs, never telling anyone what he was aware of. In Pheonix, Sirius got killed on account of that. While JK kind of muffed the impact of that realization by having Dumbledore apologize to Harry, he fact that his "super hero" syndrome got somebody killed was pretty important and if JK fails to address that he needs to be more responsible, the book will be worse.[/spoiler]
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Postby The Shadow » Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:27 am

a quick note for u all excited
check these sites out

http://www.pastors.com/articles/harrypotter.asp
http://www.antioch.com.sg/cgi-bin/HN_Open/get/prayer/364.html
http://www.apologeticsresctr.org/harry_potter_and_the_bible.htm

b4 u slam me off have a think - is this leading me closer to God ?
- do you spend more time reading rowlings wrod than Gods word ?

u may want to think about this as this could be a major threat to your spiritual journey

Rowling herself has admitted that approximately one-third of what she has written is based on actual occultism. Abanes' conclusion is that the books "do not teach the precise doctrines of witchcraft, nor do they explicitly instruct children to purchase a step-by-step guide to Wicca. But the allusions could easily stir a child's curiosity about occultism.

thousands of children are lead into witchcraft every year thorugh HarryPotter but u say well im not going to turn to witchcraft, but what if u meet someone who was lead to witch craft through HP and God tells u to witness to them when ur reading it ureself is that not hypocryticle, how are u any different from the world ??

im not here to create arguments but its good to look at both sides b4 dabbling in things :thumb:
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Postby Arnobius » Mon Mar 28, 2005 6:14 am

Don't take this as directed at you personally-- I figure it's as good a time as any to bring this up in general.

Forgive me if I'm skeptical of the claims of JK Rowling admitting this was based on the occult-- I remember the 1980's where people went around claiming the creator of Dungeons and Dragons was a Hight Priest of Satan, and many other "facts" that were only rumors with no truth.

I'd like to see the references to interviews where she made these admissions: URLs, etc. so it can be verified that they were really said.

The Bible condemns Witchcraft, it's true, but it also condemns false witness-- which some people seem to be committing whenever they pass on stories as fact without doing the research. Harry Potter isn't the only case. False stories about Heavy Metal, D&D, Pokemon etc, don't help Christians avoid harmful things-- they only serve as fodder for the enemy to mock Christianity.
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