Woe unto the Pretty Ones

[the_lizardqueen]

Well, I imagine this topic has probably progressed and changed alot since the first post, but I'm not sure if I have enough time to go back through all the pages. Right now, I am really having a hard time empathizing with the pretty people. I've just spent the last hour attempting to find a photo to display alongside my artwork at an upcoming show and the quest is seeming pretty hopeless. I think I've found maybe 10 mediocre photos of me, all of which I'm either blinking, looking dopey or eating in (what was my dad thinking!?!). Either that or the photo is blurry. Needless to say, I am just a wee bit frustrated and depressed right now due to my extraordinary lack of photogenicness (is that even a word?)

[Heart of Sword]

Me, too. And I've never aimed one at a living creature, either.

(So you are as cool as I thought you were. ^_^)

[Fsiphskilm]

Well I WISH i was more attractive, in fact i wish i was drop dead Gorgious. If you take a look at my Sig, that's me. But i'm leaning sideways and also the pics been photoshoped Orange.

In the real world I've got acne and all sorts of horrible unsymmetric facial issues. When I go to BestBuy, I can act as LOST as I want, and no matter how good I am at that, the staff ALWAYS go and help other more attractive guys.

When I was in 3rd grade, there was other little kid named Rob, he was a LOT better looking than me. So I were outside during recess kicking a ball and he got into the path of mine and it knocked him down and he scraped his knee a little bit, All of sudden a HOARD of unknown girls rushed over to him. about 1 week later, I was outside and a kickball out of NOWHERE just *slammed* into the side of my face, stings like heck man. I saw people turning and looking at me, but the only person that asked if i was ok was the kid that kicked it.

Next experience, 7th grade, Me Beth and Jill were very good freinds and sat next to each other during French class. A new kid Matt (very good looking) sat next to us too. My OWN freinds actually ignored me, I mean I would say hey Beth and she'd turn to me then AS I'M TALKING TO HER she'd turn away from and ignore me to listen to what matt is saying. After about a week they completely ignored me, 100%. We were in the same class EVERYDAY and yet only said a ->few sentances<- weekly.

So like i said earler, Attractive poeple are loved, all the doors are open for them, the sad thing is, most of the time they're shallow, very spiritually nasty people.

[Kisa]

[quote="Mangafanatic"]It's not the being pretty that's the problem. It's the guys who honk/stare/stalk that are the problem. (Not that there are any of them here. . . necessarily. ]

Yes true! Theyre the one who need to get a life!
I'm not exactly up there either but it some guys are just retarded.....

[shooraijin]

Attractive poeple are loved, all the doors are open for them, the sad thing is, most of the time they're shallow, very spiritually nasty people.

I think that's a terrible thing to say. No one here seems to dispute the fact that attractive people do have advantages in our society, something termyt said previously too, but I think it's rather mean to characterize them as petty just for that reason. That attribute doesn't necessarily follow from the first premise, and there are many who have inner *and* outer beauty.

[Yeshua-Knight]

as i said before, esther from the bible is a perfect example of that,

you also have to realize that to an extent what is considered physically attractive is determined by what those around us see as attractive, (ex, at one time large, curvacious women were viewed as very much attractive, now the popular thing is to be super-skinny), so part of it is left up to the individual as to what they will see as being beautiful and what is not, who was it that said "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"?

people look different, i don't think i'd like to be in a world where either i looked like everyone else, or everyone else looked like me, i'm comfortable to be in my skin (aside from the fact that i have a bit too much, but that's an other story), and to be quite honest, i don't really care who gets all the breaks or gets all the attention, if it's me, whatever, if its someone else, whatever,
God's opinion is the one that matters and He looks at the heart, it was he that formed our physical appearance, and it is He that can change it if he so desires, but if he doesn't, then don't sweat it, He knows what He's doing, and He has no margin of error (PRAISE THE LORD!), if those that are viewed as being more attractive get more breaks and more attention, so be it, just remember, before our relationships with Christ were established, we were all as ugly as sin

[Fsiphskilm]

I think that's a terrible thing to say. No one here seems to dispute the fact that attractive people do have advantages in our society, something termyt said previously too, but I think it's rather mean to characterize them as petty just for that reason. That attribute doesn't necessarily follow from the first premise, and there are many who have inner *and* outer beauty.

Terrible yes, False, NO. Yeah who on earth is going to stop you and ask "You look ugly on the outside but I'd like to get to know who you are inside, would you mind having a chat with me" lets be realistic, It's all about appearance, it's all about looks, The popular kids (attractive ones) in school are the ones that everyone envies they have their own social groups, And you must be attractive to get in.

Name 10 attractive Moviestars:

Now Name 10 ugly Moviestars:

Exactly. The same goes for News broadcasters. And IF you did actually name 10 ugly movie stars, I am sure their carear isn't as big as the attractive movie stars.

As for the "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"... uh i NEVER heard ANYONE EVER say Brad Pitt was ugly. When it comes to semi-attractive people or couples who love each other, they KNOW each other inside. But in general there is a Universal Attractive Look that is IN everyone's eye.

I seem to have misunderstood Shooby. "Attractive" and "beautiful/good looking/cute" poeple are 2 different things. Sexually Attractive poeple are YES, often times spiritually nasty(NOT ALL, duh), because they have been spoiled by society, they can sleep with whomever they want etc... I dunno about you guys but I don't exactly see that many Chrsitian Models walking around.

In the CAA yearbook, Ashley's Pic is the most viewed, i think that speeks for it'self , i think poeple who are beautiful have a responsibility to be good role models in society. *pats Ash on back*

[termyt]

I think you are missing an important point, Volt. Yes, attractive people do have advantages and you need to be attractive if you want to have your face splashed across the country on the news or in movies, but that is such a small part of the world we live in. Thousands of people have their faces splashed for all to see whereas millions work in all sorts of jobs from the extraordinary to the mundane. These people are able to succeed on their brains instead of their looks.

I would also point out that many of the singers and models and actors we praise for their beauty aren't all that better looking then many of the people we run into every day. You can not over estimate the effects of lighting and make-up on one's appearance.

...there are many who have inner *and* outer beauty.

An excellent point. We tend to think of beauty and personality as an either-or proposition, but it is not. One can have both and one can have neither.

[shooraijin]

Terrible yes, False, NO. Yeah who on earth is going to stop you and ask "You look ugly on the outside but I'd like to get to know who you are inside, would you mind having a chat with me" lets be realistic, It's all about appearance, it's all about looks, The popular kids (attractive ones) in school are the ones that everyone envies they have their own social groups, And you must be attractive to get in.

Like I said, I don't think anyone disputes that part of the premise. But the assertion that attractive people have doors open up for them does *not* necessarily mean that they're rotten people, or as you said, "shallow and spiritually nasty."

[Fsiphskilm]

Well i mensioned many of them do but NOT ALL are like this. I've had very bad experiences with attractive people and have yet to have a good one. I use to be obsessed with movie stars and then I started reading documentaries on them...

Heh, after reading all that, I could care less about movie stars. They sleep around, dress skimpy, and a whole lota stuff that isnt' exactly moral, I'm not one to judge but you get what i mean.

Angelina Jolie - such a wonderful woman, open bisexual, and nasty (did you see her interviews?)
Tom Cruise - a bit of a ... "open lover"
Britney Spears - no comment
Christina Aguilara - no comment
Mandy Moore - said she would't dress like a "slut", have you seen her red carpet pics? Micro-Skirts and see through shirts that show nipples.

Maybe we...er..I expect too much from these people. But in Hollywood there's a lot of Sleeping around, drugs, etc... To get to a higher position one usually has to sleep to the top.

I guess i'm talking about Attractive people who are popular and let it get to them. My own best freind "Sarah" who introduced me to Jesus. I watched her slowly degrade in front of my eyes. She was such a strict christian, but at around 14 she began developing and was quite attractive and she began figuring this out as other guys hit on her. Well now she's out drinking, sleeping with other guys.

[termyt]

I don't know what to say to that, it's just way too cynical for me. And I consider myself to be a cynic. You won’t find me praising too many of Hollywood’s golden children as good role models, but I’m not ready to make the leap from that to “attractive people suck.â€

[Fsiphskilm]

lol woah, i never said that I didn't like attractive people if that's what it came out like, I think they can be good hereos to all of us, and we look up to them i just wish they were a bit more... Moral and NOT so obsessed with their looks.

[CephasWhite]

Wow, 27 pages.

lol woah, i never said that I didn't like attractive people if that's what it came out like, I think they can be good hereos to all of us, and we look up to them i just wish they were a bit more... Moral and NOT so obsessed with their looks.

You know what I would think they would say if they were more moral,

"BE YOURSELF!!!!" meaning you don't have to be attractive, you don't need to have to have the biggest luxuries in the whole wide world, you don't need to be better then anyone else, that is vain and unChristian.

Replying to your post about attractive people get the best things in life, Volt:

I am not attractive, I don't find myself attractive, yet there about 20 to 30 girls who like me because of WHO-I-AM not because of me wanting to be attractive or anything else that deals with that. I am beautiful in God's eyes and that's ALL I care about for myself.

I just need to stay clean, smell good, not totally greasy and gross looking like greasy hair or dirty clothes or greasy skin, that's just...plain gross.

[Kura Ookami]

lol woah, i never said that I didn't like attractive people if that's what it came out like, I think they can be good hereos to all of us, and we look up to them i just wish they were a bit more... Moral and NOT so obsessed with their looks.

You can be obsessed with your looks if you're ugly. Being attractive doesnt neccessarily mean you are obsessed with your looks. Volt it sounds like you're obseessed with your looks about how unattractive you are. I personally dont think you're unattractive, but that's just my opinion. Of course i mean that in a non-gay man-to-man way.

[Fsiphskilm]

Wow, 27 pages.



You know what I would think they would say if they were more moral,

"BE YOURSELF!!!!" meaning you don't have to be attractive, you don't need to have to have the biggest luxuries in the whole wide world, you don't need to be better then anyone else, that is vain and unChristian.

Replying to your post about attractive people get the best things in life, Volt:

I am not attractive, I don't find myself attractive, yet there about 20 to 30 girls who like me because of WHO-I-AM not because of me wanting to be attractive or anything else that deals with that. I am beautiful in God's eyes and that's ALL I care about for myself.

I just need to stay clean, smell good, not totally greasy and gross looking like greasy hair or dirty clothes or greasy skin, that's just...plain gross.

I wish I could find the world you live in. Mine is all about looks, the looks get you the job, the looks get you the confidence to get the grades to get an A on the final and a BA degree. I live in a world where if you don't look good, people treat you ->BAD<-.

You can be obsessed with your looks if you're ugly. Being attractive doesnt neccessarily mean you are obsessed with your looks. Volt it sounds like you're obseessed with your looks about how unattractive you are. I personally dont think you're unattractive, but that's just my opinion. Of course i mean that in a non-gay man-to-man way.

Yea... It's just that I only want what others have. Don't we all want to wake up in the morning and say..."i feel good about myself today", it's been eternity since I've said that to myself. If others can be attractive, why shouldn't I? They get treated better than me (and don't say they don't, I've seen it) I guess I want equality.

[Joshua Christopher]

I wish I could find the world you live in. Mine is all about looks, the looks get you the job, the looks get you the confidence to get the grades to get an A on the final and a BA degree. I live in a world where if you don't look good, people treat you ->BAD<-.

A while ago I just stopped caring. So what? Good looking people get more breaks? Oh well.

They have their reward now, we have our reward after we die.

For most of these people, this is the closest to Heaven they'll ever get. For Christians, this is the closest to Hell we'll ever get.

[Fsiphskilm]

Yea, but that's assuming all good lookers are unsaved and all norms are christians. There are people that are christians that are good looking, if they can have it, why can't we? If you can look your best, why shouldn't you?

it's more the question of... "I want it too." not jeliousy but in search of equality, it's not fair that beautiful's are treated better and that the difference between looking good or bad is what determains wheather or not you got hired for the job.

[Debitt]

So much negativity. ^^;; Personally, I don't care if I don't get special priveleges because I'm not the most beautiful person in the world. Life isn't fair, and we should all have to learn to deal with it. Instead of dwelling on who gets what because of how they look, I try to just live for God and dwell on what He wants me to dwell on. Idealistic, yes, but it makes me feel a whole lot better than I would if I was consumed by outer appearances.

And it's not necessarily true that just because "prettier people get hired more often" that regular people get the short end of the stick. Ask almost anyone here at CAA: looks or personality? They'd probably say personality and spiritual strength. I say personality - the person I'm dating at the moment isn't the most attractive person in the world, and he's not dating the most gorgeous girl in the world either, but whenever I look at him I see beauty none the less because of what I feel for him. Another naive statement, yes, but doesn't having someone you care for feel better than having the job you just applied for? ^^;

I tend to be an optimist and a bit of an idealist, and that may hurt me in the long run, but at the same time it also helps me feel good about myself and my situations. xD; And trust me, I need all the feel good I can get.

[Fsiphskilm]

Well CAA is a message board, of course it's personality over appearance. And of course I care more about my spiritual status than my physical one. But with the Hollywood Glamor world we live in, I'm just saying we can't just expect people to judge us by the content of our character, I wish it mattered more about the inside than the outside, but apparently it's not always like this.

As you said, it's not always fair. Life isn't fair, so what can we do? MAKE it fair. Like I said, if you can look Good wouldn't you want to? I know I would, But even so I know that at any second it could all be gone, I could get into a car crash and have my pretty littke face burned off. I think it's important to focus on my spirit, becaues my relationship with God is more imporatant than anything else. But when it comes to getting treated better and people having a bit more respect for me, i wouldn't mind looking good. Phsycial appearance is more something I want to acheive things like Jobs, Carear Status, etc...

But spiritually the soul is something that no fire or car accident can take away. In the end when we're old and wrinkly (i think wrinkles are beautiful btw) our soul's the only thing we'll have left. But everyone should admit that when they see a Good looking attractive Movie star, especially if that movie star is humble and moral, we fall in love not only with their spirit but their appearance as well.

Studies show kids learn more from attractive teachers, they pay more attention. It's just the way things are, it's the world we live in, I'm just trying to take advantage of whatever i can so I don't get left behind.

Everyone is. Especially models, no one hires a model because she has a good philosophy. If John and Matt were competing for a job position and both had the same qualifications, If matt is more attractive, MATT WILL get hired. The boss would rather see matt's face every day than john's. Same goes for all sorts of Jobs, Movies, Modeling, Radio, Commercials etc...

It's NOT something I support, it's just the way things are. And I don't want to get left behind, IF i am capable of being attractive would i go for it? YES.

[Maledicte]

As for the "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"... uh i NEVER heard ANYONE EVER say Brad Pitt was ugly.

For the record, I've ALWAYS thought he was ugly.

Well Volt, you say you have acne well I do too. Proactiv won't cure it. It's there. Forever and ever and ever. Makeup can't fix it nope nope. so XP hahaha

I was becoming quite fond of SirThinksTooMuch (sorry for dragging you deeper into this) well before she revealed herself to be attractive (although I have yet to gaze upon her beauty myself) based on the value of her posts. My opinion has not changed.

somebody who admires me without seeing me yay!! now THAT's what I'm talking about!
thank you termyt

[CephasWhite]

You are absolutely wrong there, Volt, I am sorry, but you are just gone from what we have been trying to say.

We quit thinking about looks, because we try to live the way GOD wants us to live, and He provides us for everything. God did not say, "go put a costume on so nobody can see your TRUE self and the way you really are, the way I made you special; go put a mask on so you can hide youself and become someone you are not." God does not say this, but what you are saying Volt is JUST how it is coming out.

John and Matt try to get a job and if Matt gets the job just for looks, that's a pretty poor *** (excuse the language) boss. But John will get a better job then Matt with better pay and everything good somewheres else because God has provided for him and has blessed his life because he WORKED for it. Matt went the way-too-easy way out and acted like he knew everything even though he didn't and pretty soon, he'll be fired from his job.

Matt on the other hand would know what he's doing because he worked hard for getting the job and things went great for him, because God blessed him for doing the work and getting it done.

That is what you have to realize Volt, God will not bless whatever you are doing without doing the hard work first and it has to be from Him...oh and doing the hard work EXCLUDES trying to get plastic surgery to look better. Our body is a Holy temple that God created in his own special way, and abusing it like putting globs of makeup on (girls) or doing whatever to your body for looks is like slapping God in the face for not making you look better. That is arrogance and disobedience and disobedience is the sin of witchcraft, it is against God, and anything that is not God is evil. We are not here for a popularity contest.

Try doing something without the looks for a change, it will probably get you really far in life.

Also read 2 Corinthians 10, especially verse 6, and also read Galatians 1:10 you might understand what I am trying to say.

[dragonshimmer]

That is what you have to realize Volt, God will not bless whatever you are doing without doing the hard work first and/or if it's not from Him and that is EXCLUDING trying to get plastic surgery to look better. Our body is a Holy temple that God created in his own special way, and abusing it like putting globs of makeup on (girls) or doing whatever to your body for looks is like slapping God in the face for not making you look better. That is arrogance and disobedience and disobedience is the sin of witchcraft, it is against God, and anything that is not God is evil. We are not here for a popularity contest.

However...there is nothing wrong with trying to do something and improving upon your looks. I wear make up. I simply see it as enhancement.

[Debitt]

There's nothing wrong with taking care of yourself (ie, some make up, keeping your hair nice, wearing nice clothing, etc.) but I think when you stress looking good (or "sexy") over your moral and spritiual upkeep, that's when it becomes a problem.

[CephasWhite]

However...there is nothing wrong with trying to do something and improving upon your looks. I wear make up. I simply see it as enhancement.

How much makeup do you wear dragonshimmer?

There is nothing wrong with wearing a little makeup, but going overboard is just wrong and as I said before it just like slapping God in the face for not making you look better. I know I am not a girl but still.

There's nothing wrong with taking care of yourself (ie, some make up, keeping your hair nice, wearing nice clothing, etc.) but I think when you stress looking good (or "sexy") over your moral and spritiual upkeep, that's when it becomes a problem.

I didn't say don't wear nice decent clothes nor not keeping yourself clean, I am agreeing with you Kokoro about what you just mentioned about skimpy clothing and going over your spiritual morals.

[David]

It is not all how you dress it is also how you present yourself.

[Maledicte]

There is nothing wrong with wearing a little makeup, but going overboard is just wrong and as I said before it just like slapping God in the face for not making you look better. I know I am not a girl but still.
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What about Goth makeup?

[Kura Ookami]

From what I've read of sirwhothinks2much's posts here I'd say that she is an attractive girl. I can say the same for her sister who i know better. I think both of them are attractive and i dont need to see what they look like to say that.

[K. Ayato]

Just you wait! :-P

[Kaligraphic]

Okay, Volt:

It sounds like you're being hampered by a lack of confidence. Unless you're some weird color like in your sigs/avvy, you seem to be... average-looking. Yup, average. The thing is, with confidence, you can come off seeming to be better-looking than you are physically. When you honestly say "I like myself" you will improve even others' opinion of your looks by probably a dozenfold.

CephasVII:

Don't add weird requirements to the gospel. There's nothing morally wrong with makeup. If you use fifty gallons a day, God won't reckon it as sin. (The rest of us might reckon it as pretty bad-looking, but that's just human opinion.) The gospel is this: God does everything. You believe Him, and trust Him. End of story, period, exclamation mark, no epilogue. It's not "believe and cut out the makeup", it's just "believe".

That said, I will give my opinion that girls who wear a lot of makeup tend to be less attractive to me than those who don't. Often, it's that they don't know how to use it effectively, so they try to make up for quality with quantity. (I'm one of those "the highest art is to conceal art" types.)

[Fsiphskilm]

You are absolutely wrong there, Volt, I am sorry, but you are just gone from what we have been trying to say.

We quit thinking about looks, because we try to live the way GOD wants us to live, and He provides us for everything. God did not say, "go put a costume on so nobody can see your TRUE self and the way you really are, the way I made you special]

He also didn't say brush your teeth with colgate or use Old Spice Deodorant, or pluck your eye brows, or shave your legs, or your beard, or comb your hair. Jesus had wooly hair. So Cephas... why don't you look like Jesus Huh? Are you ashamed of the way our lord looks? That's a slap in the face of God ya know

IF you can look Good why shouldn't you. DID I say to get plastic Surgery? NO. I'm just saying that taking care of our bodies is good, to be attractive is GOOD. People like looking at an attractive Face, if you don't. Consider yourself a freak of nature who enjoys living in a dark corner tearing apart cute bunnies.

John and Matt try to get a job and if Matt gets the job just for looks, that's a pretty poor *** (excuse the language) boss. But John will get a better job then Matt with better pay and everything good somewheres else because God has provided for him and has blessed his life because he WORKED for it. Matt went the way-too-easy way out and acted like he knew everything even though he didn't and pretty soon, he'll be fired from his job.

In the Past I've always been misunderstood, I always thought it was because I'm an emotional person and try using words to describe feelings rather than saying what I mean. But You are COMPLETELY IGNORING everything I said. Please READ my sentances before Yeilding Elaborate Lectures and explinations.-> I said -> IF john and matt had the same work experence and were competing for a job, if matt were more attractive he'd get hired. Do i look like I Enjoy living in this world that has fallen in love with LOOKS???

Did I ever SAY that I support this World that is obsessed with vanity?

I'm just telling the ->FACTS<-, the ->TRUTH<- the Studies done to PROOVE this are relevant. It's prooven that people who are attractive get out of prison Earlier and/or get more mercy by the Jury during trials. It's a FACT, I wish everyone that's been responding to my Posts would Quietly Calm Down and ->READ<- what I post before they go around saying "I Slap God in the Face" and "I'm Wrong" what-not.

I DO NOT aggree with the way the world decides these things, I wish everyone were treated Equally and people were judged by the content of their character and not by their Psyical looks THAT IS WHAT i have been saying this ENTIRE TIME. Maybe I'm just not a good speaker, or I forget to say certain things. Ok then, my bad.

But the rest of the world Uses face cream and wrinkle removers, and shampoo and all sorts of things to make ourselves attractive. I LOVE GOD. I WOULD LEAVE ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to be who God wants me to be [period], I had a dream a while back, I didn't know it was a dream, it was so realistic to me... I was in a gray alley, and There was a girl dressed as a homeless man and said she was magical and she said she'd grant me ANY wish I wanted, I wanted to be a movie star with good looks, and for people to love me but then I thoguht about it, You know what I asked for?... I asked him to make me be who God wants me to be, and I ment it with ALL my heart & soul. I gave up ALL my dreams for God. So NO-ONE on these forums has ANY right to say I'm obsessed with ANYTHING what-so-ever. I don't judge anyone elses Relationship with God, so you do the same and respect mine.

God made the Body so that it can be molded and fine tuned and beautiful. If you have a beautiful Soul wouldn't you want a nice Body to go along with it? That's why people work out, and eat right, so they can be attractive, if you feel like whining in a corner saying "God comes first, you shouldn't want to be attractive", go ahead. But I personally think NOT. If I can look Good and bring sunshine into other people's lives just by having confidence, a good smile, and a loving heart then I WANT THAT. Oh yea. I would NEVER get plastic surgery, i would never go THAT low. But spendig a little more time on my self, is a good thing.

Weather you like it or not, Your Appearance and self eastem has a reaction on your relationship with God, your spiritually does reflect somewhat on how you feel about yourself. When you feel good about yourself phsyically, you feel good about yourself Spiritually.

That is what you have to realize Volt, God will not bless whatever you are doing without doing the hard work first and it has to be from Him...oh and doing the hard work EXCLUDES trying to get plastic surgery to look better.

Did i say I wanted plastic surgery? I am very much against Plastic Surgery, that is going WAY too far. That is being Obsessive about looks beyond anything healthy.

What you NEED to realize Cephas is that I'm not Agreeing with the way the world thinks, go back to my first few posts, I'm simply stating a FACT. I DO NOT support this way of life OK... no no. I think If you can look Good than more power to ya. But being obsessive over it is bad just like being obsessed over anything is bad.

Our body is a Holy temple that God created in his own special way, and abusing it like putting globs of makeup on (girls) or doing whatever to your body for looks is like slapping God in the face for not making you look better. That is arrogance and disobedience and disobedience is the sin of witchcraft, it is against God, and anything that is not God is evil. We are not here for a popularity contest.

What about putting on Globs of Clearacil to get rid of Acne? Is that slapping God in the Face because you don't like the acne he gave you?

The age old question of "why does God make ugly people" comes to mind... I beleive there's nothing Magical about how we look, Before you call me a Hethan and a God-Hater... please refer to the amazing thing called "Genetics"... pretty cool huh? Genetics is what determains what you end up looking like. Don't go blaming your pimples on God, and If you don't like your body it's not Slapping God in the Face, it's slapping SIN in the face. In the Garden of Eden our bodies were perfect, sin is what brought in disorders and other beauty issues. God created Man, therefor anything Man creates is also from God, SO it IS ok to say that God made each and every one of us physically, even though it's really our parents that "make us". I'm not trying to discredit God, If you don't like to beleive in Genetics and Egg+Sperm then You've got your own Problems.

Also read 2 Corinthians 10, especially verse 6, and also read Galatians 1:10 you might understand what I am trying to say.

I'll read those Verses as soon as you start reading my post correctly, deal?
(that last verse is beautiful by the way)

This isn't aimed toward just you, but towards everyone, i guess i'm not clear enough, This happens all the time and I never take the time to learn from it, I guess in the future i need to be clear with my opinion more. Peace out.