fan hentai/lemons

[Bobtheduck]

I have read through Christian websites and magazines blasting anime... All anime. That comes as no surprise to most of you. However, one that that particularly bugged me is a comment that I read in a couple places "looking for *such-and-such anime* on the internet will turn up pornographic websites with dangerous content"



Man... Does that sort of comment bug anyone else? I mean, by that logic, mickey mouse, homer and marge, batman and catwoman, and every other famous animated or comic book character is evil, because people have made fan porn and lemons for all of those... I just don't get people... They are justified in attacking it because it's an import, and not from "christian" America...

Me bain no feew good... Me seepy now.

[Michael]

Crap happens.

[madphilb]

Sadly Christians have a history (at least since I've become one in the late 80's) of attacking out of ignorance.

D&D, Pokemon, and Harry Potter come to the top of my mind, as well as plenty of other things (movies, games, toys, etc).

Most of the time the issues and arguments show the writer's ignorance to anyone who's had the slightest contact with any of the subjects. Note that there are those who have brought up valid issues with some of the items, but far too often it's nonsense.

Sadly there are far too many people like the above who have web sites and books and far too few like Ashley and the admins here who bother to take the path less traveled.

PHIL

[Razgriz]

It depends on what you search on the web, and how you word it, you could come across some hentai sites.

[shooraijin]

Yeah, typing "anime" unqualified into Google turns up some sites that are definitely beyond my pay scale, so to speak. I think this is where the misconception lies.

Of course, searching for any generalized topic that can have a light and a dark side is going to turn up sites on both, and I think a lot of people are just misinformed or haven't done the legwork to find out the difference.

[Razgriz]

Yeah, typing "anime" unqualified into Google turns up some sites that are definitely beyond my pay scale, so to speak. I think this is where the misconception lies.

Of course, searching for any generalized topic that can have a light and a dark side is going to turn up sites on both, and I think a lot of people are just misinformed or haven't done the legwork to find out the difference.

And thats what we're here for right? To make sure people know the difference.

[Bobtheduck]

It depends on what you search on the web, and how you word it, you could come across some hentai sites.

Yeah... Type in "sailormoon" and you'll get mostly hentai sites... Despite the fact there is no sex in sailormoon, and not even any anatomically correct nudity. That really bugs me.

[shooraijin]

> Despite the fact there is no sex in sailormoon, and not even any anatomically correct nudity. That really bugs me.

I know what you meant, but I'm really worn out and I read those two sentences really, really wrong.

[Bobtheduck]

> Despite the fact there is no sex in sailormoon, and not even any anatomically correct nudity. That really bugs me.

I know what you meant, but I'm really worn out and I read those two sentences really, really wrong.

I mean the fact they make the hentai sites on shows like that bugs me...

[supa dupa ninja]

im embarrassed to admit that there are times that I liked some lemons but I try to curve my habit of "looking" by turning off the computer. yes I have a problem, thats why Im here in these website posting.

[MillyFan]

I don't look at fanart of this nature because nothing disgusts me more than a pointless sexual image with no reason for existence. Hentai, yaoi, yuri, whatever-I don't want to see a graphic and disgusting depiction.

As for fanfiction, I absolutely detest NC-17 PornWithoutPlot lemons (basically fanfics that only exist for the inaccurate and graphic portrayal of sex and which are no better than hentai).

Before anyone says I'm being a prude, I'm not: I'm probably a little more liberal in what I'll read (and write) in a fanfic than most people here are, as long as there's something more to it than the citrus content and the writing is good.

[Master Kenzo]

:red: im embarrassed to admit that there are times that I liked some lemons but I try to curve my habit of "looking" by turning off the computer. yes I have a problem, thats why Im here in these website posting.

That's a good idea, turning off the computer. I know it must be hard to admit something, but good job for stepping out. If the temptation comes, pray it back where it came from. It may be harder than you think. It is harder than you think, but it is possible with God's help.

Oh yea, and I didn't personally welcome you, so Hi. Enjoy your stay and God bless.

[supa dupa ninja]

That's a good idea, turning off the computer. I know it must be hard to admit something, but good job for stepping out. If the temptation comes, pray it back where it came from. It may be harder than you think. It is harder than you think, but it is possible with God's help.

Oh yea, and I didn't personally welcome you, so Hi. Enjoy your stay and God bless.

arigato gozaimasu!!!

[SangoKilala]

I totally disapprove of...this kind of anime, it really goes against real-life, it's pretty disgusting if you ask me, this kind of anime ruined its name causing parents to disapprove of their children/teens watching anime, although not all of it is such perverse as this...as I said, it really isn't neccessary

[MillyFan]

Yes, but fanworks are sometimes not connected to anything in the anime in particular.

As someone who has been anti-yaoi in the past and someone who is sadly a fan for a few such couples now I have seen pairings that have no or incredibly little basis in anything aside from a misinterpreted character friendship and an overactive fan writer's mind.

The sad thing is that an original writer is caught in a catch 22 when it comes to things like fan-written lemons.

If the writer emphasizes the heterosexuality of the characters, he's or she's just provided fodder for a grove of hetero lemons-that is if the original work itself isn't ecchi or hentai.

If the original writer chooses to not have romance at all for the most part, then he or she has provided fodder for yaoi artists by the dozen.

If the writer tries to walk somewhat of a middle path by implication and subtlety in depicting romances, then he or she loses both ways: hetero lemon writers want to "fill in the blanks," and yaoi writers take the "hints" as a sign that the male characters aren't really interested in women.

Basically, when it comes to fans, no writer can win, no strategy can win. If someone wants to write something absolutely out of character, stupid, and disgusting, no one can stop that person.

[Bobtheduck]

*lifts eyebrow, then turns and walks in opposite direction*

Hmm... I hope you saw that I was making a joke... Right? Anyhow... If you didn't, then whatever...

[Gypsy]

*Laughs* no, I knew you were joking. I'm prone to sarcasm myself you see ..

[Bobtheduck]

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Since when did BSSM did not have anatomically correct nudity?

Hmm... It's never had complete anatomical correctness even if it showed rear nudity, which was 99% of the time in a rainbow of colors that covered up with very few exceptions... Never. It never did and anything you've seen otherwise is made by fans, hence the purpose of this thread. But I guess since you've been banned I'm talking to the wall in hopes that others will answer.

[shooraijin]

> I'm prone to sarcasm myself you see ..

You are?

[purplemoose]

its totally sick with porn anime but if its a regular anime and shows someones buttox i have no problem as long as its only for a second by the way i've heard of perverts being sickend by hentai

[Bobtheduck]

Yeah... Oh, that's a great point... People will watch stuff that you can't even sell on tape or DVD (IE only get on the net), but then talk about "those sicko japanese cartoon freaks"

Gotta love hypocricy. (If you take this to mean I'm in support of hentai, you're obviously socially dyslexic... In other words, no that's not what I was saying at all...)

[uc pseudonym]

You're in support of hentai?

[Bobtheduck]

You're in support of hentai?

You know this isn't the goof off forum righ... (man, a "blowing steam" smiley would be nice about now)

[uc pseudonym]

I sincerely apologize. However, the opportunity was too good to resist.

[Bobtheduck]

Not the Japanese uncut version...or so I've heard.

So you've heard... Well, that's just the problem. Almost all the people who have something bad to say about SM are going by what they've heard... I think I have enough authority on this topic to say that if you're going to go off on SM, at least do it for the right reasons. I can list all of the questionable things right here, this is a comprehensive list from what I can think about:

1. 2 nonexplicit (IE never even a kiss) homosexual relationships. Only one of them (a villain, nonetheless) even makes it known to the public. The other is just hinted at a lot. (oh yeah, 1 more homosexual character, but he doesn't pair up with anyone.) It is not in any way explicit and the show doesn't glorify it or even say it's right... it doesn't say it's wrong either, however. It just sorta puts it there.
2. Barbidollism... Unless you count the transformations, it only occurs in about 4-5 eps and for very short periods of time. Oh, and a couple of "ribbon" scenes where usagi's transformations have been incomplete. She is covered with ribbons because her transformation was stopped by the villain. It didn't show anything, but then again there was never anything to show.
3. In the S series, a lot of Christian terms are used... I think Naoko had a fascination with Christianity (she, I had read, claimed to be a Christian but she was also a few other things... If you understand my meaning) and the theme of death and rebirth, but not of resurrection, is common. This looks very much like Christian beliefs but is a bit closer to buddhist belief of reincarnation. All of the Christian symbols are windowdressing because Naoko thought they looked cool. These symbols include the Holy Grail, talismans, and, the most controversial of the bunch, the messiah. The first two are more Christian Folklore (the "holy grail" of legend really didn't even belong to Jesus, but the owner of the house that hosted him and his disciples in the Last Supper) but the Messiah is a term we apply to ONLY Jesus. However, the term messiah is associated with savior (though I think it means "Annointed One") and therefore it could be assumed it's a small "m" messiah.
4. Oh yeah, uranai. Fortune Tellers. In the anime there are several fortune tellers... In the manga, rei used tarot cards, and rei of course gets her information about the coming enemies out of her fire... Rei is also a shinto priestess. It isn't that common for these things to happen in the show/manga, but they do happen.

Ok... So, now it's there. Anything else you heard was not true. No sex in the show, no other weird things. No perverted moments, no sexual fanservice (well, the "talented Jupiter" scene was questionable, but since the show wasn't made for boys anyhow, I don't think that was either), no explicit homosexual relationships, no glorifying of any of these things. Nothing. So, make your judgement based on this, not based on someone who heard from their cousin's dog. This report is from someone who's been a big fan of it... If you want, I can tell you some POSITIVE points about the show too. And, no, this is by no means an official review... It's not a review at all. I'm just answering what a couple of people here had said.

The only reason I say this stuff is because a lot of fans have gone really far with this... They have made fan manga (doujinshi), and there's even one fan movie, that have been hentai and all sorts of fanfics and fan art that's hentai (well, "lemon" is the correct term for fanfics) and a lot of yuri stuff between Haruka and Michiru (who are actually that way) but also between other characters who weren't. There have been Yaoi stuff between Zoicite and Kunzite, but also between Mamoru and Fiore, and when these paranoid parents go online to see what this "anime" thing their kids are watching is, and look up stuff about sailormoon, this is the stuff that usually comes up and NOT the real stuff. I even had an aquaintance who actually thought this stuff all came from the people who really made sailormoon. It didnt', of course. It was all done by fans, and it's not just sailormoon. It's every show out there (well, I don't know about Hamtaro, but there is another show called Ebichu which is a real anime and looks like Hamtaro at first but it's definately not... eeew...) that gets popular... And this is how many of the parents/pastors/self proclaimed "protectors of the children" get their information about anime. I just think it's sick. And I'm tired of dealing with it... But, yeah... I guess we'll always have our hassles.. There will always be people with something against us, and chances are, there will also always be CHRISTIANS with something against us too... Even if we don't like anime, there will be something else. And people will always go on wrong information, so It may be pointless to complain, but it does bug me...

[otaku]

only seen some sailor moon (like 2-3 eps) but yeah i heard some of it not ok and of course there is tons of doujins out there. even akamatsu-san of love hina made some. I dont like hentai hate it its wrong but well i go as far as say chobits thats it. even that is a bit far... but its funny!

[Shao Feng-Li]

I used to be a SM fan and there was never anything wrong with it.. not that i remember any way.
When it comes to hentai, all it does is show off how depraved some people really are. It's disgusting and wrong.

[HEDGESMFG]

I used to be a SM fan and there was never anything wrong with it.. not that i remember any way.
When it comes to hentai, all it does is show off how depraved some people really are. It's disgusting and wrong.

I myself have been an avid SM fan (seeing as how it was the first "modern anime", that I saw), and I can pretty much confirm what Bob was saying here. While I suppose you could criticize the show for the ideals that Crystals, life energy, the abilities to heal, and a future that is OBVIOUSLY NOT bound to happen, these were all classified in Fantasy and never had any intentions of implications of being real.


Beyond this, I rather have enjoyed the show for it's mix of humor, drama, and a certian moral background that could be seen throughout the various relationships. Purity of relationship, forgiveness of others (Even when they've done the very very worst to you...See Stars to see what I mean), depth of love and friendship, and even self sacrafice. All of these are morals which I believe are important to the Christian life style, and I'm glad to see them recognized and emphasized so strongly. At it's core, Sailormoon is just another romance/comedy...but I find it to be rather good.


As for the lovely "H" word...I've rarely to never been attracted to anime characters in such a way, and I find the concept of such things stupid and a sickening way to ruin the writer/creator's intentions.

[Mave]

Don't you just hate it when you click on one of those presumably innocent links and the next thing you know, your whole screen is filled with disgusting images?!!! I type in "Naruto manga" in Google and most of the links were in a foreign language and I gullibly clicked on one of the decent looking links (gah, stupid stupid stupid!). Man, does Naruto mean something else or is this series seriously misunderstood???! I hate porn pop-ups!! DIE ungodly pop-ups DIE!!!!! <storms off>

[Gypsy]

And I think there's a universal law that everytime you hit one of those links and get a barrage of nasty pop-ups, you can always hear someone walking towards the computer. Not only is it bad enough that you have horrible porn flashing on your screen, but someone else is never going to understand. That is when your fastest mouse clicking wil come into play.