Horrible....

[Azier the Swordsman]

At work a couple days ago, some marines come into our store. Well, my co-worker (who's a Christian) goes over to talk to them to tell them that she appreciates what they are doing for our country.

As it turns out, their mother was with them at the time, and she told my co-worker she greatly appreciated her saying that, because the other day, the had gone into target, and GET THIS: management kicked them out because they disagree with the war in Iraq.

Can anybody say cold-hearted? I'd like to petition everyone here who has a Target store in your area to BOYCOTT it. And spread the word.

Oh, wait, still not convinced? Maybe this will do it for you then: http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/oped/knippenberg/04/target.html

Stuff like this REALLY gets under my skin. It upsets me even as I type this. I humbly request though that you do not give the stores any of your business.

Here's hoping they go out of business.

[VashTheStampede]

MAN, that is terrible, to be kicked out of a store for fighting for and protecting your country?! Urgh, rest assured, I'll not buy anything from Target for quite some time.

[ShiroiHikari]

why must Target keep doing such stupid things...I LIKE Target. I like them better than friggin' Wal-mart. bleh.

[Godly Paladin]

I don't know if boycotting Target in general is necessarily an excellent idea, as the decision was made by the management at a single store. Still, I won't have any problem with boycotting because I never buy there anyway.

[ShiroiHikari]

I don't know if boycotting Target in general is necessarily an excellent idea, as the decision was made by the management at a single store.

this is a good point. the manager that did this should be fired or at least punished. I don't wish for Target to go out of business and I don't think anyone else should either...a lot of people would be without jobs then, and we have enough of an unemployment problem as is.

[Mangafanatic]

Yeah, I heard about the Salvation Army thing. My family stopped doing business with Target ages ago when they were supporting "Planned Parenthood" (a.k.a, in may cases, abortion). Boycotting Target is nothing new to me.

[Godly Paladin]

I think Target is precariously balanced as it is... Seems hard to believe they will be able to stand against the power of Wal Mart for long. Actually, I'm rather inclined to shop there just to help them out against the Wally World beast. Too bad the prices aren't competitive.

[Godly Paladin]

But now I see Osaka's post about Planned Parenthood. Now *that* is boycotting grounds, since it involves the entire Target company.

[ShiroiHikari]

well, I've heard some pretty bad things about Wal-mart too. but...let's not get too offtopic here.

[VashTheStampede]

Yes, Planned Parenthood is grounds for boycotting Target, but my girlfriend's family is also not buying from there ever since they stopped letting Salvation Army be in front of their stores. That is really going against the spirit of giving and sharing the wealth, helping the unfortunate, etc, and I hold those values to be really important. But yea, that's just my opinion on that personally.

[Scribs]

I stopped doing buiseness with them after the news about their banning the salvation army. If this stuff about Marine banning is true then that is just one more reason not to buy stuff from them. At the same time it would be prudent to find more infomation validating this claim before acting too strongly on it.

[Kenshin17]

It's as if they(Target) want to go under. I agree that is wrong. I absolutly hate it, and I mean hate it, when people blame the soldiers for the war. If you disagree with the war then so be it. But those who disrespect or treat the soldiers badly I have no respect for. In my opinion there view of the war is meaningsless if they are going to abuse the soldiers. Those soldiers are risking there life for them, they deserve respect even if you don't agree with the war they are fighting.

Well thats my two cents

[Link Antilles]

Doesn't seem like Target is the brightest of bulbs in the box. Anyone remember those commercials with the people floating around and random things replacing parts of people's bodies? They had to be on some serious drugs or something, there. Not to mention, that ugly dog mascot. Now, I love dogs, but that one is just ugly.


So yeah, I've never really cared for Target, though I sometimes find some low prices on video games that make me feel like I’m shop-lifting. Why? The one around here rarely gets a lot of business, because they are overshadowed by a Wal-mart, Sams, and a couple dozen of other stores on the same road.


Anyways, if they keep it up, they seem doomed to die, but then again a certain store, still in business, that starts with a "K" and ends with "art" has a Holiday decorating sponsor who's in jail…. Crazy world.

[Godly Paladin]

[Chichiri]

Yeah, I heard about the Salvation Army thing. My family stopped doing business with Target ages ago when they were supporting "Planned Parenthood" (a.k.a, in may cases, abortion). Boycotting Target is nothing new to me.

yeah, that's true. helping teens out to make sure they don't get pregnant is a bad thing. down with target! </sarcasm>

That is an absolute stupid reason to boycott Target. Yes, Planned Parenthood sells the "Morning After" pill. They also give gyno check ups for teens who are too embarressed to go to a family doctor or just can't afford to go. They also can give advice to help people out. You know what's worse than being protected? Having a child someone is not ready to have. Having a child that is going to be born in this world with parents who are not ready to be parents nor do they have the maturity, responsibility, or money.

OH, and also.... PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS NOT ABORTION and neither is the morning after pill. The morning after pill stops anything from ever being conceived. It does NOT have to kill any baby or possible baby. It just stops the possibility of it from ever happening. If you get pregnant, they DO NOT perform abortions and they DO NOT have anything for you to get rid of the baby with.

Let me set the facts straight: I'm not pro-choice. You guys just have your facts wrong.

[Mangafanatic]

I'm very sorry to see that I have stepped on toes, apparently. Let me clarify my original statement. Planned Parenthood does support abortion. I didn't mean to imply that they were "only" abortion, but they do support abortion as a viable option for those who find themselves pregnant and wishing they were.

As proof, on the Planned Parenthood website you will find the following article concening "Nine reasons why abortions are legal." The follow is directly from their website. There's no way that this is an organization that doesn't promote abortion as a perfectly legitimate choice for pregnant woman.

Abortion is never an easy decision, but women have been making that choice for thousands of years, for many good reasons. Whenever a society has sought to outlaw abortions, it has only driven them into back alleys where they became dangerous, expensive, and humiliating. Amazingly, this was the case in the United States until 1973, when abortion was legalized nationwide. Thousands of American women died.

Thousands more were maimed. For this reason and others, women and men fought for and achieved women's legal right to make their own decisions about abortion.

However, there are people in our society who still won't accept this. Some argue that even survivors of rape or incest should be forced to continue their pregnancies. And now, having failed to convince the public or the lawmakers, certain of these people have become violent extremists, engaging in a campaign of intimidation and terror aimed at women seeking abortions and health professionals who work at reproductive health clinics.

Some say these acts will stop abortions, but that is ridiculous. When the smoke clears, the same urgent reasons will exist for safe, legal abortions as have always existed. [b]No nation committed to individual liberty could seriously consider returning to the days of back-alley abortions] Still, amid such attacks, it is worthwhile to repeat a few of the reasons why our society trusts each woman to make the abortion decision herself.

[Chichiri]

Can i see that link?

They merely do not want to see teens becoming parents when they are definitely not ready.

Also, they do not offer any services that do the deed itself. Therefore there isn't any reason to boycott Target (well, except for the reasons the topic creater stated)

Even if they do support abortion, many corporations are rather libreral and surely "support" abortion as well. The facts of my first post do not change one bit.

[mitsuki lover]

I wonder if it's the CORPORATE POLICY of Target or if it was just the policy of that one manager.If it was just that one manager than there would be no
cause to boycott Target but on the other hand if it can be proved that the
company has a policy against supporting the Troops and any veterans of the
War on Terror,than I think a boycott is something to be considered.
Although for some people there is little choice in the matter of wheter or not to shop at Target as it might be the only option they have.

[Mangafanatic]

Here's that Link, Chichiri.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ABORTION/9reasons.html

[Chichiri]

I don't really agree with some of their reasoning. #7 is one of the better reasons while the others are ehhh.

Well, this is my last post about the subject. I hate abortion debates (I wasn't even going to initially post, but I did). Pro-choice has some really stupid defenses like the ones they listed. Pro-life fans often try to initimidate people by throwing unproven and often sketchy facts into the arguement (from what i've seen at least).

Bleh. Just bleh :p

[Camuel]

Originally posted by Mangafanatic:
Yeah, I heard about the Salvation Army thing. My family stopped doing business with Target ages ago when they were supporting "Planned Parenthood" (a.k.a, in may cases, abortion). Boycotting Target is nothing new to me.

The Salvation Army??? they're a church not a military outfit.. I should know coz thats my church!!

[Locke]

The Salvation Army??? they're a church not a military outfit.. I should know coz thats my church!!

The plot thickens...

To stop the abortion thing lets clarify something ok?

Before I made you in your monther's womb, i chose you.

now that thats out of the way, Yes what Target is doing is plain wrong, i never expected this from Target. Maybe K-Mart , but not Target.

What can we do? can we sit by and twidle our thumbs online?

Isnt there any pettions for this sort of thing?

and for the record, that dog is cool!

[Azier the Swordsman]

I believe it is very possible that the actions against the army are a corporate policy, not 100% sure about that, but it's a very good possibility.

[Ashley]

Consider this everyone's first warning--this thread has some serious potential to explode and it's already skirted some pretty hot topics. Please keep this civil and on topic (i.e. whether to boycott target or not) and NOT about the war in Iraq or Planned Parenthood/abortion. Otherwise this thread will get locked.

[Mangafanatic]

Yes, I didn't mean in any way to incite any sort of flame throwing. I apologize.

[agasfas]

Well it's well known that Target boycotted the Salvation Army but let me get my two cents in if I may. I don't mind helping out and giving, but many times here in Austin many of the Salvation Army workers harass the people as they try to walk in to the store. They would follow us for like 30 seconds saying we were evil people because I had no money to give. I seriously had no change. But they wouldn't stop hassling us. The would constantly talk to us in a threating manner. Now I'm not opposed to giving but I don't like for people to approach me in a mean or threating manner. The one's infront of our Target stores (an many others) do so-- including Wal-Mart. Perhaps that's one reason for Targets decision-- to protect the the customers.


ANd please, don't think I'm against giving, I'm not. I give all the time. But I really like to know specifically where my money is going. Are 99% of my offerings going to major corporations and business men? Are my donations going to support something I'm opposed to? Many donation companies such as Salvation Army and United Way do some good, but there are some programs they support (invest money in) that I disagree with. I personally don't like 3rd parties handling and deciding were my money goes. I like to know if my money is being served for what I believe to be right. Sometimes it seems to me like the real meaning behind giving is lost when major businesses and corporations get involved.

Now I'm not saying these programs are bad per se, it's just I have no idea if my donations are being used for good or bad (in according to my beliefs).
God wants us to give, but only from our hearts. Not out of intimidation, harassment, self inclination or guilt.

Just my opinion, though I know some would disagree.

[Mangafanatic]

See, the Salvation Army workers around my house are very tame. They just ring the bell, nothing else.

[true_noir_chloe]

Actually, the comment at the start of this thread, I think, was that the marines were told they couldn't shop at the store because the manager had a problem with the war. Was this in California by any chance?

Anyways, I believe to deny service to those servicemen, since Target does not have a policy about allowing military to shop at their store, borders on illegal. And, the mother, if she had thought about it, should have instantly wrote the manager's name down and wrote a letter to the Target company to complain. Then, she should have called a local network and they would have placed it on the news, because in this day and age with overwhelming support for the military, they could have had a humdinger of a news story. I think, overall, the mom should have put up quite a stink and shown that manager the error of his ways.

In effect, the store manager was doing something that might be illegal in our country, to deny service to a person for no good reason.

And boy, this thread sure went off topic for awhile. I'm not into boycotting stores. I'm more into writing letters of complaint and trying to get a listening ear from the top. There are too many employees whose jobs are at stake when you try to deflate a company through boycott. Because, let's face it, one thing you learn in business, is the ones who hurt on the ones who don't decide policy. The big, fat cats who run a company will get their million dollar paycheck no matter what.

[Hitokiri]

Even though I don't agree with the Target's policy, I will still do business. Cause 1) I get my glasses from there 2) it's 5 minutes away and I don't feel like spending more money for gas and 3) I have friends who work there and I get discount.

[agasfas]

I agree, this thread went way off topic. I started to read and I skipped to the 2nd page and found the topic did a toal 180... Anyways, things happen and people have different opinions. Though like Chloe stated I believe if the store kicked them out just because of their stance... well I'm sure that is illegal-- basically discrimination. Sure it may be a touchy topic, but that doesn't give the store the right to kick others out for having different beliefs. Though if the customers made a major distrubance then perhaps that would be okay.

Also, my twin works there . But let me assure you that has no bearing on my view if the banning of the Salvation Army was right or wrong. Just curious... who wrote the article? Because sometimes truths and company actions can be twisted by the media and the author's personal view points. There may be another reason for Target's decision.