bad anime

[Nia-chan]

Whaaa? Nia-chan's not a troll!

Thank you, Rashirr!

[MillyFan]

I'm sorry Nia-chan. I thought a troll started this thread, his post was deleted, and yours was left. I think there may have been a big mixup, and if there was, I apologize for calling you a troll by mistake.

[Nia-chan]

Oh, that's okay, I'm not mad!

[LorentzForce]

in electronic AI calculations it cannot do any more than 0 and 1. it can only go one way or another. humans and animals however, can think infinite amount of choices. so that's why the light-cube computer is necessary; because those computers work on solidified light, and has no 'binary'.

scientists are currently able to solidify light for 1 microsecond. that's the minimal time to say in scientific terms that someone solidified something. but hey, that's still something. 1/1000 of a second...

i know, because i'm a programmer... ahh, the limitations of current programming language. the bad fact of being only able to do in 'conditional' form, without freedom. even your 'random' computer calculations aren't random; they simply use time and random itself to get a number, because time always flows.

[Bobtheduck]

[quote="LorentzForce"]in electronic AI calculations it cannot do any more than 0 and 1. it can only go one way or another. humans and animals however, can think infinite amount of choices. so that's why the light-cube computer is necessary]

The issue still isn't one of possibility but philosophy. That's what's dangerous...

And how is this new computer not binary? Even neurons are "binary" because the neuron is either transmitting or it's not... Still 1 and 0.

But even with what I just said, it's as if the human brain is nothing more than a machine... A computer, and it elliminates a spirit and soul... That's what's dangerous in this philosophy.

[LorentzForce]

no, the signals in neurons can be 0 and 1, but there are multiple endings on a single neuron. and that's not the point; e.g. you can think of a million things when you see, let's say, a computer. you can think it's cool, nice, shiny, maybe evil because it uses Windows, etc etc. robots however cannot do this, unless it's programmed. and that single programmed thing will be enormously large if it is to contain _every single_ one of possiblities.

how can solidified light be used for such? because then it'll firstly have infinite amount of storage, down to sub-atomic scales of photons. imagine that. no programming limit. then you can use that to make processors to have infinitely amount of logic to do whatever. thus, making a computer that ceases to use binary. of course, programming will be much more difficult, so people will instead use hexadecimals or higher for programming itself. but since now that 0 and 1 becomes obsolete, much faster ways of algorithms can be found. thus, making robots with human-like thoughts possible.

in the philosophical sense, yes, i thought about it a lot too. many science fiction books describe this thing, and i'll add in my 'detailed' thought into my major programming work. well, it'll be a game... i'm working on it

back to the philosophical question of it... tell me this, if a robot someone creates has a life like a human, as in it is capable of thinking perfectly like a human, is it still a robot or is it a human? also taking into consideration that it too can belive in God and other misc things humans solely do compared to other animals.

[Heaven's Cloud]

I would avoid Ninja scroll.

Evangelion, I love that anime, it's okay, but don't try to avoid it. If anything just avoid Ninja Scroll. I have not seen it, but I have heard bad things about it.

[SangoKilala]

Ahehe, sorry about that Millyfan, you were right to say so, I do go on and on so I guess thinking over what I'm going to say and put it all into one post is best, thanx:)

[Michael]

Two new ones:
Mahoromatic Maiden (Its only purpose is to show girls in the nude)
Natjica Blitz (You get a pair of panties with the box set. Heard enough?)

[MillyFan]

Ahehe, sorry about that Millyfan, you were right to say so, I do go on and on so I guess thinking over what I'm going to say and put it all into one post is best, thanx:)

It's all right Nice to see you here

Two new ones:
Mahoromatic Maiden (Its only purpose is to show girls in the nude)
Natjica Blitz (You get a pair of panties with the box set. Heard enough?)

Yeeeewwwww. Where's my vomit smiley when I need it?

[DanekJovax]

Well, Hmm... here's a couple titles that at the surface don't evoke a sense of "I Have to Avoid This," so here's a couple to be VERY WARY at:

1) Ebichu (strong sexual content)
2) Gravitation (strong/near graphical homosexual themes)
3) Knights of Ramune (strong undertones of lesbianism and sexual themes depicted and some nudity)
4) Any title with a type of Fruit Listed in it, ANY title with a form of the word "Sex", and ANYTHING with the word "Cream" in it. (exception is Fruits Basket - it's not depicting a specific fruit).

That's my 3 yen. Enjoy!

[DanekJovax]

On another note, I also wouldn't classify Ninja Scroll as "Hentai" because the aim of the story in that movie wasn't sex, but a struggle between two warriors. Sex definiately had a side stage there, and was rather graphically shown in a couple cases, but I wouldn't call it a hentai title because it wasn't primarily trying to showcase sex as hentai titles aim to do.

[Bobtheduck]

Well, Hmm... here's a couple titles that at the surface don't evoke a sense of "I Have to Avoid This," so here's a couple to be VERY WARY at:

1) Ebichu (strong sexual content)
2) Gravitation (strong/near graphical homosexual themes)
3) Knights of Ramune (strong undertones of lesbianism and sexual themes depicted and some nudity)
4) Any title with a type of Fruit Listed in it, ANY title with a form of the word "Sex", and ANYTHING with the word "Cream" in it. (exception is Fruits Basket - it's not depicting a specific fruit).

That's my 3 yen. Enjoy!

1) very true... I mean, you may go into it thinking "Oooh, it's like hamtaro" and you'll leave with deep mental scarring...
2) Yeah... Stay away
3) Yup
4) Um... Wedding Peach isn't bad... And neither is Creamy Mami, at least I don't think it is... It's magical girl like sailormoon... And what about Sakura Taisen... Ok, so Sakura aren't a fruit, but they ARE from a fruit tree...

[DanekJovax]

Oh yeah, I forgot about Wedding Peach, that one is a safe(r) title (saw some of it about 2 years back)... just have to get used to the multiple MTS's and CA's (Magical Transformation Scenes and Called Attacks) which are just so satirical it makes your sides hurt from laughing.

Never seen Creamy Mami, but my impression was that it was a severe fanservice/hentai title, from someone who had seen it, but I've never been really into researching it lately - been watching a LOT of other stuff lately.

[Kagan]

I know one. Fuushigi Yuugi disturbed me with its references to rape and paedophelia. Not sure if it should be avoided completely though. Its got an alright story in the beginning and the end but got dull and boring in the middle. Overall its an alright story with way too many adult (and revolting) themes in it.

[Gypsy]

I'd say Ninja Scroll would be infinitely better (even one of the best title's I've ever seen) if sex weren't integral to part of the story or if they did without sex/nudity altogether. Cuz they got some good animation and concepts with that movie.

Yeah, I'd have to agree there. Lightbringer gave it to me to watch about a year ago. He said "fast forward when you see a firefly." So I sat down to watch this anime classic, thinking it was just going to be violent and gory like Akira. After the first five or ten minutes, that part of my prediction proved true. (Y'know the ninjas running around through the trees part). Well ... I got to the little shack/ninja girl/horrible monster part,was instantly horrified and turned it. Later on, I watched it with Lightbringer and he was in charge of all the fast-forwarding parts ...

I am of the firm opinion that people can live very happy and complete lives without ever watching Ninja Scroll.

[bemanisuperstar]

Then I saw End of Evangelion. I couldn't watch it all at once, it honestly made me sick. However, I'm one that I won't judge a series or movie until I'd seen it all the way through (porn excluded, mind you) So I sat through 10 to 15 minute chunks until I finished it... After finishing it, it left me depressed and sick for days. I could not get it out of my mind. It was the sickest, most twisted thing I'd ever seen. (and I'd seen episode 26 of excel, puni puni poemi, goldenboy, sakura diaries, and some other bad anime, so that's saying a lot... of course those were just dirty...)

So, yeah, I'd say don't watch it even for review purposes. If you're young and don't get the stuff that's going on, you may not understand my hatred for this, but please don't test it... It could leave you permanently scarred...

Made you sick? Because of what shinji does infront of Asuka?

You gotta understand that Shinji was pretty wacked out of his mind when he did that.

About Hentai There is some Alright hentai with couples of corse this being a chrstian forum I won't discuss that. But I personally have no problem with it as long as it's not depciting anything too disgusting.

I like Ninja Scroll yes granted it's not for everybody. But think for a moment about why the Sex is there at that time in Japanese history that sort of thing happend all the time. So in it's accuracy it's needed of corse not many "snake ladies" or guys with hives for a back but in that time period woman were tossed around like they were in the movie sadly. (I think once the Meji era came the Japanese started treating their woman right) but that's my little defense of why the Sex and nudity is nessary in Ninja Scroll. I did just pick up the TV series too.
Granted it's not an esstential anime by any means but ninja freaks like me should check it out. So yes the Sex was sadly Nessary I've seen worse in anime.


As for Bad Anime. I don't really like Kikaider or anything Tech TV airs besides Lain.

not a Fan of Zoids or Bayblade any "kiddy anime"

I don't really like akira because it's too weird

Oh BOys be worst anime I own I hate boys be.

I like Golgo 13 but that's another one that's a huge Sex fest but there's also a reason for everything going on. It's quite distubing but sadly these things are going on today.if you are faint of heart avoid it though even if the voice of Bender is Duke Togo. It's almost softcore porn

I might not agree with all of you but all the opinions I read in this thead are valid conserns and opinions. I happen to like things with fanservice I don't mind a little objectionable content but I can understand why you might.

[DanekJovax]

Well, in my humble opinion:

1) Eva was wierd - the gross scenes were about as realistically depicted as you could expect. Realism points there, but insofar as being pro-Christian in values, nada.

2) Ninja Scroll - Lots of nice animation, colors, and intriguing storyline. Lots of blood, violence, and sex. Did I say sex? Jst in case you didn't get that right, I'll say it again... SEX! Very mature themes here, and though the story had a sexual theme in it, I still don't think it was overly gratuitous. Nothing I'd do in RL, mind you, but I'm mature enough to stomach it... never let my kids see it until they're at least 30, though, heh.

3) Kikaider - Hey, it's a pseudo Leiji Matsumoto piece. That says enough for me to want to like it. :2)

4) Cute anime - never enough of it. 'Nuff said.

5) Lain - Wierd. Wacked out. The Matrix on acid, with a little fruit loops and poutine on the side.

My real point... it's all about your personal taste, tolerance, and above all, your values.

I'll judge anime as 'bad' more on technical merits than just subjective assessments on the anime itself, or on its lack of execution of a quality that I think could have clearly been done better.

Well, that's my 3 yen. *yawn* Almost time to get to bed and read my book.

[bemanisuperstar]

Well, in my humble opinion:

1) Eva was wierd - the gross scenes were about as realistically depicted as you could expect. Realism points there, but insofar as being pro-Christian in values, nada.

2) Ninja Scroll - Lots of nice animation, colors, and intriguing storyline. Lots of blood, violence, and sex. Did I say sex? Jst in case you didn't get that right, I'll say it again... SEX! Very mature themes here, and though the story had a sexual theme in it, I still don't think it was overly gratuitous. Nothing I'd do in RL, mind you, but I'm mature enough to stomach it... never let my kids see it until they're at least 30, though, heh.

3) Kikaider - Hey, it's a pseudo Leiji Matsumoto piece. That says enough for me to want to like it. :2)

4) Cute anime - never enough of it. 'Nuff said.

5) Lain - Wierd. Wacked out. The Matrix on acid, with a little fruit loops and poutine on the side.

My real point... it's all about your personal taste, tolerance, and above all, your values.

I'll judge anime as 'bad' more on technical merits than just subjective assessments on the anime itself, or on its lack of execution of a quality that I think could have clearly been done better.

Well, that's my 3 yen. *yawn* Almost time to get to bed and read my book.

Well said Lain was airing in Japan while the Matrix was fliming so I bet more than a few things were stolen.

I like using Eva as an example of what the world would be like with out the light of Jesus. I don't like as much as I used to RahXephon is MUCH better.

Good post though Danek said everything I left out in my previous post here.

[DanekJovax]

*bow* Why thank you! I'll try to do better next time.

I also like the little of RahXephon I've seen. Man, there's a kicking AMV of it at animemusicvideos.org, titled "Euphoria". It's one of my all-time favorite AMVs.

[Bobtheduck]

You're on crack, bemani... Lain didn't steal a darn thing from Matrix... How could they steal from a movie that was made in a different country, being made at the same time, and not (at that time) a big name project... People only obsessed over the matrix after it was released... Before it was released, there was absolutely NO reason for a company in JAPAN to get details on it and STEAL ideas from it... And Danex? Lain was amazing... The weird stuff all had a point... It also had a lot of dicussable and applyable stuff in it if you're a christian (not saying it was Christian itself in any way...)

[bemanisuperstar]

You're on crack, bemani... Lain didn't steal a darn thing from Matrix... How could they steal from a movie that was made in a different country, being made at the same time, and not (at that time) a big name project... People only obsessed over the matrix after it was released... Before it was released, there was absolutely NO reason for a company in JAPAN to get details on it and STEAL ideas from it... And Danex? Lain was amazing... The weird stuff all had a point... It also had a lot of dicussable and applyable stuff in it if you're a christian (not saying it was Christian itself in any way...)

The other way around. The Matrix borrowed from Lain. It's quite possible they could get a video feed from Japan in Australia.

[RobertMuldooJP]

here you go, this may help

http://www.abcb.com/parents/apga_00.htm

contains ratings for some anime series.

[bemanisuperstar]

a very good site

[Kagan]

The Matrix borrows a lot from anime. In fact, I remember the producers of the Matrix making a comment in "the making scenes" of it that they were trying to transfer anime scenes to real life. Seeing the air fight (a la DBZ) in the Revolutions confirmed this more than anything else. As for Matrix borrowing from Lain, probably can't be proven unless you see the produces actually say "we borrowed ideas from Lain" and vice-versa, so we should just drop that. Maybe a good question to use if you ever get to interview either of the writers though

[bemanisuperstar]

The Matrix borrows a lot from anime. In fact, I remember the producers of the Matrix making a comment in "the making scenes" of it that they were trying to transfer anime scenes to real life. Seeing the air fight (a la DBZ) in the Revolutions confirmed this more than anything else. As for Matrix borrowing from Lain, probably can't be proven unless you see the produces actually say "we borrowed ideas from Lain" and vice-versa, so we should just drop that. Maybe a good question to use if you ever get to interview either of the writers though

http://www.geocities.com/tacobelll/matrixgits/page1.html

[yog^sothoth]

the big thing with literary interpretation is that it's just that, an interpretation. I see a lot of buddhist dogma in Matrix Revolutions but what does that mean? Well, it means that i've been researching a lot of buddhist theory and myths and since this is on my mind I notice things that, if you look at it from my perspective, seem a lot like Neo, the "Cosmic Buddah" freeing the minds of the humans trapped in the matrix from their earthly desires.

But if I was looking at it when I was looking at Greek or any other religions dogma what would I see? A director and/or writer can only include what they know. It's up to the rest of us to interpret it's meaning.

Just a thought.

[Bobtheduck]

Made you sick? Because of what shinji does infront of Asuka?

You gotta understand that Shinji was pretty wacked out of his mind when he did that.

About Hentai There is some Alright hentai with couples of corse this being a chrstian forum I won't discuss that. But I personally have no problem with it as long as it's not depciting anything too disgusting.

Let me start by saying I read what you had written (about lain and matrix) wrong... I don't think either one stole from the other, but I did come from the wrong stance... On to the matter at hand

Ok, I didn't notice this before... I hope I don't sound like a vigilante for saying this, but first off... I never said the scene with Shinji was the only thing that bugged me about EoE... There are many many other things that are disturbing. Of course, that scene WAS really off... I know why Anno did that, and I understand his feelings, but that didn't stop it from being disgusting...

Now, for your second statement... Did mods notice this one? I mean, this seems a little... um... Am I the only one that is a bit bothered by that statement?

[Orange Kitten]

I also like the little of RahXephon I've seen. Man, there's a kicking AMV of it at animemusicvideos.org, titled "Euphoria". It's one of my all-time favorite AMVs.

Great vid, won 2 awards at Anime Expo and 2 others at cons I didn't go to.

I think I'll stay out of this conversation, most of my comments I have already said in other posts. I'd just be repeating myself.

But Please people, only bash those anime titles that you have seen all the way through. You have no place to talk if you have only "heard" about a certain anime's 'graphic' nature.

and oh, Matrix was based upon Ghost in the Shell. Nothing more.

[Bobtheduck]

But Please people, only bash those anime titles that you have seen all the way through. You have no place to talk if you have only "heard" about a certain anime's 'graphic' nature.

and oh, Matrix was based upon Ghost in the Shell. Nothing more.

Well, I have "heard" things about, oh, La Blue Girl that makes me say to everyone "Stay away from it" I think that logic only goes so far, ya know?

Oh, and I was thinking that about Matrix... I somehow knew there weren't things taken from Lain... Metal Gear Solid 2, on the other hand, did seem to have some of the same sort of "Documentary" scenes as Lain, but that's probably not original to Lain... It also took the trailing bullet thing from matrix which in turn got it from Blade...