the sad reality of porn stars

[Shao Feng-Li]

*Eye twitch* Okay, no matter who they are or what they do with their lives I don't think anyone has the right to call someone else a whore, but this is probably just the fact I don't like the use of that word. Remember they are people to and it's not right to talk about them like they're the scum of the Earth or something. I've also come across plenty of Christian sites that do indeed think anything to do with alcohol is sinful, so you can't really use that as an example.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whore

Or I can just say prostitute... or "person who preforms sex for money."

According to actual moral law laid down by God (which we are all obligated to follow) they're criminals. No matter what might have driven people to do such things, it's still wrong. Our laws regarding this stuff are crazy. It doesn't matter if the studios are regulated and what not. They shouldn't exist. Brothels have never been a good thing.

And, denominations have no biblical warrant for calling the consumption of alcohol a sin. Unless they want to call Jesus himself a sinner for turning water into wine and The Last Supper. The Bible warns against drunkenness. I don't care that some denominations think it's wrong. It is not a transgression of God's law.

I don't know if this sort of thing gets me too fired up or not. Porn helped to tear apart my family. I hate the stuff with every fiber of my being.

[TopazRaven]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whore

Or I can just say prostitute... or "person who preforms sex for money."

According to actual moral law laid down by God (which we are all obligated to follow) they're criminals. No matter what might have driven people to do such things, it's still wrong. Our laws regarding this stuff are crazy. It doesn't matter if the studios are regulated and what not. They shouldn't exist. Brothels have never been a good thing.

And, denominations have no biblical warrant for calling the consumption of alcohol a sin. Unless they want to call Jesus himself a sinner for turning water into wine and The Last Supper. The Bible warns against drunkenness. I don't care that some denominations think it's wrong. It is not a transgression of God's law.

I don't know if this sort of thing gets me too fired up or not. Porn helped to tear apart my family. I hate the stuff with every fiber of my being.

Please don't think in any way I'm defending the porn industry, I don't think it should exist either, but I also don't believe in judging other people and I know what the definition for whore is, but to me it's a highly hurtful term and not something I would ever use to refer to another human being no matter who they are or what they do, but that's just me. My own personal feelings got in the way again. That happens a lot it seems.

Edit: Also, good point about the alcohol thing. I've got to admit that's always kind of confused me. So only getting drunk is a sin then?

[Atria35]

^ I really don't like the term 'whore' either. It may technically be correct, but in society it's used as as insult to women who seem to exhibit certain sexual behaviours/characteristics, whether or not it's on purpose. It's a sexual slur.

i.e. I was called a whore in middle school because I developed early. I wasn't one, but that didn't matter to those who used the term.

So yes, prostitute would be a better term to use.

While the industry shouldn't exist, it does regardless. Which makes the issue less of 'condemning those who are in it' to 'helping those who are in it', however they need help. And if passing regulations helps makes one person's life less miserable in it, so be it.

[Hiryu]

There's always "Harlot" as well.

.and what's worse is the frequent occurance of the spreading of STD's amongst porn stars which when one dies from it,the media make up stories to cover up the real cause for that persons death, as well as the amount of pregnancies and abortions happening between porn stars

That's interesting. If people know that a person was involved in such activities, should it come as a surprise?

It must be an abomination to live in that lifestyle. Even worse to be dragged into it.

[Furen]

Edit: Also, good point about the alcohol thing. I've got to admit that's always kind of confused me. So only getting drunk is a sin then?

Correct

[TopazRaven]

Correct

Ah alright. I don't drink at all anyway so I'm good. I just know people who like to drink and they do get drunk sometimes, but not a lot. Like my one friend only drinks until she starts to feel like she's getting drunk and then she stops. I was just kind of curious.

[TopazRaven]

^ I really don't like the term 'whore' either. It may technically be correct, but in society it's used as as insult to women who seem to exhibit certain sexual behaviours/characteristics, whether or not it's on purpose. It's a sexual slur.

i.e. I was called a whore in middle school because I developed early. I wasn't one, but that didn't matter to those who used the term.

So yes, prostitute would be a better term to use.

While the industry shouldn't exist, it does regardless. Which makes the issue less of 'condemning those who are in it' to 'helping those who are in it', however they need help. And if passing regulations helps makes one person's life less miserable in it, so be it.

QFT!

^ Ahaha, look, that's the first time I've used that.

[Furen]

Ah alright. I don't drink at all anyway so I'm good. I just know people who like to drink and they do get drunk sometimes, but not a lot. Like my one friend only drinks until she starts to feel like she's getting drunk and then she stops. I was just kind of curious.

From what I have always understood, in Biblical times, wine was more purified than water, so it was consumed more, so drinking was not a wrong. I mean Jesus made water into wine for a wedding. This shows that alcohol itself isn't bad, as He had consumed it, though he never became drunk.

[TopazRaven]

From what I have always understood, in Biblical times, wine was more purified than water, so it was consumed more, so drinking was not a wrong. I mean Jesus made water into wine for a wedding. This shows that alcohol itself isn't bad, as He had consumed it, though he never became drunk.

To bad wine and other alcohol aren't like that anymore. They murder your brain cells! I honestly don't see why people like getting drunk though. The thought of not being in control of myself is horrifying. Plus if I ever did something stupid like drink and drive or ahem...other bad things I'd never forgive myself. Besides, you get a killer headache the next morning. Anyway, I'm leading this board way off subject, so sorry about that!

[Shao Feng-Li]

Please don't think in any way I'm defending the porn industry, I don't think it should exist either

Heh, sorry, that wasn't directed at you at all. I don't think you're defending the "industry" at all. I don't much like judging people either, but things just are what they are, you know?

And if passing regulations helps makes one person's life less miserable in it, so be it.

Maybe. Though there won't really be an end to this misery until the whole thing is abolished. Keep in mind, I often just speak ideally. Like someone said, porn won't go away until the second coming, heh. But I'd still like to have a country that didn't sanction it- and love it. :\ But here I am.

[Furen]

To bad wine and other alcohol aren't like that anymore. They murder your brain cells!

Though in some cases this is true, it's true it's proven that having red wine sometimes is good for you, like having everything else, it's in moderation. I think that way with Diet pops/soda's because aspartame does that. Having a drink or two every so often isn't going to kill you or make you less intelligent.

[Peanut]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/whore

Or I can just say prostitute... or "person who preforms sex for money."

According to actual moral law laid down by God (which we are all obligated to follow) they're criminals. No matter what might have driven people to do such things, it's still wrong. Our laws regarding this stuff are crazy. It doesn't matter if the studios are regulated and what not. They shouldn't exist. Brothels have never been a good thing.

Ok, I have to ask this question, but how do you know that every single porn star or even the vast majority of porn stars have actually chosen this lifestyle because they want it? Now-a-days with the advent of the internet and the massive problem of sex trafficking, I'd be willing to go so far and say that the vast majority of "actors" in the porn business worldwide didn't choose that but were forced in either because of circumstances that are beyond their control. Even in America, it wouldn't surprise me if a large number of the actors within the porn business were essentially forced into it. So, really, should we be calling them anything derogatory at all when they could be the real victims in this thing? If anything, you should be focusing your rage on the people who are taking advantage of these people for money. They're the ones who more likely deserve the insults and criticism.

And, denominations have no biblical warrant for calling the consumption of alcohol a sin. Unless they want to call Jesus himself a sinner for turning water into wine and The Last Supper. The Bible warns against drunkenness. I don't care that some denominations think it's wrong. It is not a transgression of God's law.

While I agree with you on this, there is some precedence for calling the consumption of alcohol a sin just like there is some precedence for calling watching porn a sin. In fact you could probably say that there is more precedence for saying the consumption of alcohol is a sin since that was an actual problem the biblical authors would have been aware of. Porn, on the other hand, really isn't something they specifically write about since it wasn't really around in Biblical times. In fact, one could argue by appealing to the fact that the Song of Solomon is erotic poetry (which coincidentally, jews weren't allowed to read until they were 13 and were, you know, considered adults) that the Bible contains porn and therefore encourages it within a certain context. What I'm trying to get at here is that both of these arguments rely on certain hermeneutic games and assumptions about what the authors likely would say about our present situation to prove their point. So, while you don't have to agree with them denominations can find biblical warrant for calling the consumption of alcohol a sin as ridiculous as that may seem. Especially when you consider

I don't know if this sort of thing gets me too fired up or not. Porn helped to tear apart my family. I hate the stuff with every fiber of my being.

that usually the denominations who say consuming alcohol is a sin use this as an example of why it is a sin. There are a lot of people who have had their homes destroyed by alcohol consumption or have actually destroyed their homes by their own alcohol consumption. So, they, like you, hate alcohol with their whole being. Put them in power in some denominations and, well, you get alcohol being called sinful. I'm not saying that we should do the same with porn, but I am trying to point out that what your saying about porn really isn't so far from what led those denominations to declare all alcohol consumption sinful. Its the same logic really.

[Nate]

According to actual moral law laid down by God (which we are all obligated to follow) they're criminals.

No, that's not true. You seem to be using "sinners" and "criminals" as synonyms. They're not. You can be a sinner without being a criminal. People who are into porn? Yes, okay, sinners. Absolutely. But that doesn't make them criminals.

Example. Jesus said if you hate your brother, you're a sinner. You're guilty of murder. If I hate someone, does that make me a criminal? Can the police arrest me for hating someone? No, they can't. Because it isn't a crime.

What I'm saying is, criminal is used in reference to man's laws. Sinner is used in reference to God's laws. In fact, you can be a criminal without being a sinner. Sounds weird, but it's true. Let's use the example of bringing Bibles into China. That's illegal. It would make you a criminal. But it wouldn't make you a sinner because bringing Bibles into China would be a GOOD thing.

So once again, people who are into porn aren't criminals. Now, should they be criminals? I don't think they should, but again, even if you think they should (which you clearly do), they're still not criminals NOW. If a law gets passed banning porn, then they will be criminals, but at the moment they are not.

Brothels have never been a good thing.

They were for Jesus. :p

I'm joking. I'm making reference to the fact that Rahab the prostitute was in Jesus' lineage. That obviously doesn't make prostitution okay or acceptable, like I said, just making a joke. XD

And, denominations have no biblical warrant for calling the consumption of alcohol a sin. Unless they want to call Jesus himself a sinner for turning water into wine and The Last Supper.

The denominations who say alcohol is a sin try to get around that by saying that in the Bible the word "wine" doesn't mean alcoholic wine, but something more like grape juice. Obviously you have to ignore a lot of context for that to work, but they do it anyway.

I don't know if this sort of thing gets me too fired up or not. Porn helped to tear apart my family. I hate the stuff with every fiber of my being.

Hey if it does, nobody here is picking on you I don't think. When you have an issue like this that's horribly affected some people, it's going to be something that affects them pretty badly.

But, we shouldn't make decisions based on that. For example, guns. Maybe someone had their mother shot in front of them by their father. Should we ban all guns because they witnessed that? The person who witnessed that would say yes, they were personally damaged emotionally and want the same thing to never happen to another person. Other people would say "Second amendment gives us the right to own guns and even if he used a gun that doesn't mean we should ban them!" It's very divisive. That's all I'm saying.

[Okami]

Ok, I have to ask this question, but how do you know that every single porn star or even the vast majority of porn stars have actually chosen this lifestyle because they want it? Now-a-days with the advent of the internet and the massive problem of sex trafficking, I'd be willing to go so far and say that the vast majority of "actors" in the porn business worldwide didn't choose that but were forced in either because of circumstances that are beyond their control. Even in America, it wouldn't surprise me if a large number of the actors within the porn business were essentially forced into it. So, really, should we be calling them anything derogatory at all when they could be the real victims in this thing? If anything, you should be focusing your rage on the people who are taking advantage of these people for money. They're the ones who more likely deserve the insults and criticism.

What's sad is that people fail to realize just how large sex-trafficking is, yes, even in America. There's a truck stop down in Ohio that has been known for years as being the largest sex/human trafficking ring in America, or something of the sort. I hear about it every now and again, because our church takes groups there to minister to the people and help in any way they can to rescue the people who have been enslaved. Slavery is very prevalent still today, however more underground it has become. Again, it sickens me. It scares me that people don't realize what's going on in the world around them, and it makes me want to change that, to speak up on the behalf of those who don't have a voice.

[TGJesusfreak]

Bottom line is this. Porn is a sin. because it's basically adultery. You look at the pics and you lust after that peron or that thing. the only way anyone should ever look at any person like that would be with the erson they love. and even that has some boundries.

let alone the pain it brings to people's lives, the pain it brings to people's marraiges and family life. it tears families apart, maybe not ALL families, but it stil can and does. Porn is damaging to the mind and is an addiction. One with which I struggled with for many many years. I'm not proud of that at all.... but I can tell you it ruined my life for a long time.

there is nothing good about porn, the people who make it get hurt (physically and/or spiritually) and the people who watch it are commiting adultery in their own minds.

now assuming that Por can only be an addiction, addictions are bad too, even if they arent a sin. they still hurt the people around you... I just think that the sin of adultery is way to rampent in our society... now I'm not saying banning it would help.// bbut we have to do SOMETHING and not act like we dont care. Y'know?

[Nate]

the only way anyone should ever look at any person like that would be with the erson they love.

Oh good I'm in the clear then! It's not my fault I fall in love quickly and with so many girls. So now I don't have to feel b-

and even that has some boundries.

Man you just had to ruin it for me huh? :l

[TGJesusfreak]

Oh good I'm in the clear then! It's not my fault I fall in love quickly and with so many girls. So now I don't have to feel b-

Man you just had to ruin it for me huh? :l

XD this made me lol Nate. XDDDD

[mechana2015]

To bad wine and other alcohol aren't like that anymore. They murder your brain cells!

Beer and wine have existed since ancient Babylon, and in similar forms as to today. They were commonly drunk because they were less likely to spoil, and the alcohol content would kill bacteria that commonly grew in the water, and there are archeological records indicating that people were paid in beer in some countries. If there was a such a major difference, as some people claiming that wine is grape juice seems to imply, why would there be so many comments against drunkenness in the bible? A beverage below a certain percentage of alcohol wouldn't make it possible to get drunk before you ran out of space in your body to hold the liquid.

[Warrior4Christ]

While I agree with you on this, there is some precedence for calling the consumption of alcohol a sin just like there is some precedence for calling watching porn a sin. In fact you could probably say that there is more precedence for saying the consumption of alcohol is a sin since that was an actual problem the biblical authors would have been aware of. Porn, on the other hand, really isn't something they specifically write about since it wasn't really around in Biblical times. In fact, one could argue by appealing to the fact that the Song of Solomon is erotic poetry (which coincidentally, jews weren't allowed to read until they were 13 and were, you know, considered adults) that the Bible contains porn and therefore encourages it within a certain context. What I'm trying to get at here is that both of these arguments rely on certain hermeneutic games and assumptions about what the authors likely would say about our present situation to prove their point. So, while you don't have to agree with them denominations can find biblical warrant for calling the consumption of alcohol a sin as ridiculous as that may seem.

Porn has connotations of sexual immorality (ie. sin), so I would argue that Song of Solomon/Songs would not be porn, but a more pure form of erotic poetry.
The Bible say to flee from sexual immorality and to let there not be a hint of immorality among you. On the other hand, alcohol consumption is shown in the Bible without any condemnation, but of course excessive alcohol consumption is condemned. It doesn't say "Let there not be a trace of alcohol among you". So I would argue that they aren't equivalent.

What's sad is that people fail to realize just how large sex-trafficking is, yes, even in America. There's a truck stop down in Ohio that has been known for years as being the largest sex/human trafficking ring in America, or something of the sort. I hear about it every now and again, because our church takes groups there to minister to the people and help in any way they can to rescue the people who have been enslaved. Slavery is very prevalent still today, however more underground it has become. Again, it sickens me. It scares me that people don't realize what's going on in the world around them, and it makes me want to change that, to speak up on the behalf of those who don't have a voice.

http://www.notforsalecampaign.org/

[Shao Feng-Li]

But, we shouldn't make decisions based on that. For example, guns. Maybe someone had their mother shot in front of them by their father. Should we ban all guns because they witnessed that? The person who witnessed that would say yes, they were personally damaged emotionally and want the same thing to never happen to another person. Other people would say "Second amendment gives us the right to own guns and even if he used a gun that doesn't mean we should ban them!" It's very divisive. That's all I'm saying.

I get that. But, guns (and alcohol) aren't evil things by nature. To ban those things would be irrational, regardless of anyone's feelings. Porn is evil by the nature of it and there should be sanctions against it.

If anything, you should be focusing your rage on the people who are taking advantage of these people for money. They're the ones who more likely deserve the insults and criticism.

Don't worry, I have plenty of rage for them too.

[Nate]

Porn is evil by the nature of it and there should be sanctions against it.

Eh, I disagree completely, but y'know. Opinions, etc.

[Furen]

Oh good I'm in the clear then! It's not my fault I fall in love quickly and with so many girls. So now I don't have to feel b-

Man you just had to ruin it for me huh? :l

From what TG said, maybe he's referring to the communion of marriage.

[Peanut]

What's sad is that people fail to realize just how large sex-trafficking is, yes, even in America. There's a truck stop down in Ohio that has been known for years as being the largest sex/human trafficking ring in America, or something of the sort. I hear about it every now and again, because our church takes groups there to minister to the people and help in any way they can to rescue the people who have been enslaved. Slavery is very prevalent still today, however more underground it has become. Again, it sickens me. It scares me that people don't realize what's going on in the world around them, and it makes me want to change that, to speak up on the behalf of those who don't have a voice.

Yeah, I was surprised to find out while I was in Israel that its one of the major sex trafficking countries in the world...its a really bad problem everywhere that most people aren't aware of and it is very disturbing. Good to hear that you want to speak on their behalf though since that's the first step to fixing the problem.

Porn has connotations of sexual immorality (ie. sin), so I would argue that Song of Solomon/Songs would not be porn, but a more pure form of erotic poetry.
The Bible say to flee from sexual immorality and to let there not be a hint of immorality among you. On the other hand, alcohol consumption is shown in the Bible without any condemnation, but of course excessive alcohol consumption is condemned. It doesn't say "Let there not be a trace of alcohol among you". So I would argue that they aren't equivalent.

Well, let's really think about this here. If we're equating porn to sexual immorality then can't erotic poetry fall into the same category even if its meant to be pure? I think you would agree that if someone reads the Song of Solomon for the same reason they would watch porn, they are guilty of sexual immorality. With that being said, I think we can agree that if a husband received naked pictures from his wife for his viewing pleasure, he probably wouldn't be guilty of sexual immorality. But, depending on your definition, this would be considered porn. It is, after all, meant to illicit a sexual response from that husband just like any other for of pornography that we usually condemn. So this brings me to the point I was making in that post that 1) our social norms have influenced our views on sin, 2) intent plays a major role and 3) there is a grey area with these things that we all tend to draw lines in. With alcohol, we can plainly see that people who've been influenced by the temperance movements and personal hurt are now picking and choosing what they read in the Bible to support their moral stance: that alcohol is evil. I'm willing to bet that if our culture was a little bit different, we might have more people on this sight saying the same thing about porn. I think we can also agree that drinking with the intent to get drunk is sinful just because of how destructive it can be. Similarly, someone who reads the Song of Solomon just to get his sexual fix is guilty of sin as well. The grey area for alcohol consumption involves just how much alcohol one drinks before they truly are sinning. Generally, we say its whenever someone is drunk but that means different things for different people. Similarly, a naked photo sent from a wife to her husband isn't sexually immoral while other forms of porn are. Looking at these parallels, yes, I do think they are comparable. Now does that mean porn is right? No, I do agree with what you said about sexual immorality but I wasn't arguing for porn just pointing out that such a clear cut line really doesn't exist.

[Shao Feng-Li]

Eh, I disagree completely, but y'know. Opinions, etc.

That actually kinda boggles my mind a bit.

[Warrior4Christ]

Well, let's really think about this here. If we're equating porn to sexual immorality then can't erotic poetry fall into the same category even if its meant to be pure? I think you would agree that if someone reads the Song of Solomon for the same reason they would watch porn, they are guilty of sexual immorality. With that being said, I think we can agree that if a husband received naked pictures from his wife for his viewing pleasure, he probably wouldn't be guilty of sexual immorality. But, depending on your definition, this would be considered porn. It is, after all, meant to illicit a sexual response from that husband just like any other for of pornography that we usually condemn. So this brings me to the point I was making in that post that 1) our social norms have influenced our views on sin, 2) intent plays a major role and 3) there is a grey area with these things that we all tend to draw lines in. With alcohol, we can plainly see that people who've been influenced by the temperance movements and personal hurt are now picking and choosing what they read in the Bible to support their moral stance: that alcohol is evil. I'm willing to bet that if our culture was a little bit different, we might have more people on this sight saying the same thing about porn. I think we can also agree that drinking with the intent to get drunk is sinful just because of how destructive it can be. Similarly, someone who reads the Song of Solomon just to get his sexual fix is guilty of sin as well. The grey area for alcohol consumption involves just how much alcohol one drinks before they truly are sinning. Generally, we say its whenever someone is drunk but that means different things for different people. Similarly, a naked photo sent from a wife to her husband isn't sexually immoral while other forms of porn are. Looking at these parallels, yes, I do think they are comparable. Now does that mean porn is right? No, I do agree with what you said about sexual immorality but I wasn't arguing for porn just pointing out that such a clear cut line really doesn't exist.

Stop muddying my simple black-and-white explanation!
It could be said that porn is a depiction of sexual immorality... which means Song of Solomon is out and so is the naked wife picture (if it's only intended for the husband). Of course, those could be used for sexual immorality if misused. But yeah, it depends on your definition.....

[Okami]

Yeah, I was surprised to find out while I was in Israel that its one of the major sex trafficking countries in the world...its a really bad problem everywhere that most people aren't aware of and it is very disturbing. Good to hear that you want to speak on their behalf though since that's the first step to fixing the problem.

It's everywhere. People don't realize that. I didn't realize anything like sex trafficking or even human trafficking was still going on until I heard of Rapha House. I can't recall when I first heard of the organization (2006, maybe?), but I do recall learning more information in 2008 (Coincidentally [or not], also in the same week I received my call to ministry.) My school is using our chapel offering this year to go towards helping and working with Rapha House, and my church works very close with Rapha House - it is actually the only one in America currently working with a certain segment of the cause.

Last month one of the workers from Rapha House came to our church to explain the situation in more detail and helped describe exactly what our church is doing to help. Our pastor was almost in tears as he described the story of a couple who just left our church that decided they were going to leave the church because they're "so sick of hearing about those Cambodia girls and it breaks their hearts too much, so they're leaving so that they won't be so hurt." I'm not sure what's worse, what's more sickening, what's more heartbreaking - the fact that trafficking like this is going on, or the fact that there are people within the body of Christ who would rather pretend that it's not going on.

We're called to move, we're called to heal, we're called to justice for the oppressed. We are called to be Christ - to be the salt, the light to this broken world - If we aren't out there, who will be?

I have a very strong conviction towards the broken. Going any further than what I already have would start to derail the thread, though, so PM me if you want to further discuss.

http://www.notforsalecampaign.org/

I'm positive I've heard of this before. I'll look into it~thanks!

Another cause I support is Women at Risk - http://warinternational.org/

[Nate]

That actually kinda boggles my mind a bit.

How so?

I don't think you can universally declare porn as evil. Let's take Peanut's example. Let's say there is a married couple who enjoy videotaping themselves and watching themselves. They're married, so it isn't adultery. And yet, the videotape they made would be porn.

For the sake of argument, let us assume they only watch the video when they are together (so that they are not using it for their own pleasure exclusively, but rather their shared pleasure). Let us also assume they do not show the video to anyone else.

I don't see how that can be evil. And to make porn illegal across the board would make them criminals. I don't like that. And I've already expressed my dislike for the logic of "I don't like this, therefore it should be banned."

Regulated, restricted, closely monitored, more laws, I can get behind these things. But banning entirely, again, I don't agree with. So I hope that has explained my position a bit better. XD

[Shao Feng-Li]

How so?

I don't think you can universally declare porn as evil. Let's take Peanut's example. Let's say there is a married couple who enjoy videotaping themselves and watching themselves. They're married, so it isn't adultery. And yet, the videotape they made would be porn.

For the sake of argument, let us assume they only watch the video when they are together (so that they are not using it for their own pleasure exclusively, but rather their shared pleasure). Let us also assume they do not show the video to anyone else.

I don't see how that can be evil. And to make porn illegal across the board would make them criminals. I don't like that. And I've already expressed my dislike for the logic of "I don't like this, therefore it should be banned."

Regulated, restricted, closely monitored, more laws, I can get behind these things. But banning entirely, again, I don't agree with. So I hope that has explained my position a bit better. XD

Oh, Peanuts was a little tl;dr last night, so I skimmed through it XD

In my mind, it was porn in the context of plastering all over the internet, making money of it, you know, basically a type of prostitution- I don't merely not like that- it's just wrong. What a married couple does in the privacy of their own home, well... I don't want to know XD But yeah, I see what you mean.

[Htom Sirveaux]

How so?

I don't think you can universally declare porn as evil. Let's take Peanut's example. Let's say there is a married couple who enjoy videotaping themselves and watching themselves. They're married, so it isn't adultery. And yet, the videotape they made would be porn.

For the sake of argument, let us assume they only watch the video when they are together (so that they are not using it for their own pleasure exclusively, but rather their shared pleasure). Let us also assume they do not show the video to anyone else.

I don't see how that can be evil.

I wouldn't consider that "porn". It's private, strictly to be viewed by the two people who made it and are the only ones who know about it. (Though why they'd wanna sit there and watch themselves have sex when they could just have sex, I don't quite get.) Pornography tends to be a more lucrative, public thing. It is certainly demonic, I have no doubt of that. It has way too much capacity to harm to be in any way excusable. It is one of hell's greatest weapons because it appeals to one of mankind's oldest, basest, most irrepressible desires.

As to whether or not porn should be illegal, yes, I believe so. (And I wanna make it clear here that I'm simply saying "I believe so", not "Everyone should agree with me.") It's just as damaging as any hard drug, possibly more so than some. That's why there's an age minimum to legally buy/view it. But I'm not dumb enough to think it could ever be made illegal, of course, so don't go trying to hit me with that one.

[Yamamaya]

Porn is a form of expression. It is people acting out certain sexual activities. Thus it would fall under freedom of expression. Making it illegal would thus violate the most basic of human rights.

If there are health law violations and "actual rape" going on in the porn industry, then it obviously requires more regulation. Freedom of expression does not give one a free ticket to break laws. For example, I could not murder someone and say I was expressing myself.