TheMelodyMaker (post: 1445712) wrote:This passage comes to mind as I read this thread...
I like a church in which the full Word of God is preached -- the bad with the good. I prefer that over one which tries to use unbiblical worldly methods of trying to draw in new members. Even if it seems "boring" at times, straight solid preaching of the Word is the only method that God commands use of in the pulpit through which He saves souls.
(Hope I haven't gotten too much off topic.)
Alcuinus (post: 1445733) wrote:The message of the church is that you as a natural human are going to entertain yourself right into hell. The Gospel is a message of hope not entertainment.
ShiroiHikari (post: 1445757) wrote:That doesn't sound very hopeful to me.
I think the bottom line is that some preachers are good speakers and some aren't. I admit that I find it hard to focus if they're prattling on for over an hour. Brevity is the soul of wit.
Also, some people like hymns and some like the more modern style of worship. There's nothing really wrong with either style, but if I don't like the worship style it puts me in a funky mood and makes it harder to focus. I know-- that's my own problem.
The message of the church is that you as a natural human are fallen
and deserve eternal punishment, but God But God, being rich in mercy,
made us alive.
I completely agree! But the catch 22 is that that is an incredibly boring topic to anyone who is not a Christian. ]We can't always expect everyone to find Jesus and hear the good news about His sacrifice if we're only presenting Him in a way that requires them to show up dressed perfectly for the occasion. XD[/QUOTE]Thing is I don't expect a non-believer to come to church at all. The early church came together to hear the word of God (a boring topic for non-Christians). Evangelism happened only outside the church (especially during severe persecution).Radical Dreamer (post: 1445781) wrote:I mean, we kind of have the best news to talk about ever. Jesus saved us from our sins!
church... boring... hm.....
y'know, It's kinda funny when you think about it. I mean yo see all these churches especially in the US that have tried to solve this problem for years. They try to add better bands, cafeterias, host events, the whole gambit, but I think the problem is deeper than all that. I think it all started when the churches (albeit with good intentions) started to try to draw more people in to the church to hear the Gospel. The problem is they used the wrong message to do that. They tried to make things "relevant" to these unsaved people and "comfortable" for them and "non-condemning". All these things are good except when you implement them to appeal to the fleshly desires of unsaved people. the churches tried to appeal to the desires of the people to get them saved rather than point out the real issue and that is that the natural heart is deceitful and wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). So isn't it natural that people will leave when you tell them that after promising them the moon? So instead the church is forced to continue the charade. Except the Church is not the world and can't compete with it... and is thus boring.
What the churches need to realize is that they are not here to entertain or appeal to the desires of the masses. The message of the church is that you as a natural human are going to entertain yourself right into hell. The Gospel is a message of hope not entertainment. If we as Christian can only grasp that we would gain so much. There is a time to be sorrowful at church over our sins and there is a time to be joyful at church about Christ but without a proper understanding of the Word we can have neither. Thus there is a time to simply learn about God and His Word at church.
Simply put, the church is not here to entertain :S
Pascal (post: 1445815) wrote:Yeah. That would go down to the ground in flames...
Radical Dreamer (post: 1445817) wrote:The purpose of church is to preach the Gospel of Christ
everything. We talk, we draw, we sing, we proclaim the Gospel all for Christ, but we do not do all those things at church. We live them 7 days a week and on Sunday we praise God and hear the preaching of the Word.Radical Dreamer (post: 1445817) wrote:And if we aren't doing that, what are we doing?
what do you base your ideas on? do you base your ideas on the Bible or on reason or on the words of a philosopher or on something else?
It can be all three of those things. It's not a "pick one and only one" choice. Otherwise we'd still think wearing 50% cotton/50% polyester shirts and being clean-shaven was a sin and that you'd have to condemn your house if it had mold in it. You can base your beliefs on the Bible, AND reason, AND on philosophy. It isn't hard to do!
Shao Feng-Li wrote:It's just a bunch of emotional nonsense. There's no doctrine, no teaching.
leave the solemn service alone. This is God almighty that's being worshiped here. Have a little dignity.
Nate wrote:But again, everyone is different, and worship in different ways.
Shao Feng-Li (post: 1446027) wrote:I know. I'm just saying, I remember a church I went to and all it was was an emotional trip for everyone. I didn't mean to say that all emotions are nonsense.
I dunno. "Fun" in worship just kinda rubs me the wrong way. His worship isn't meant to be play time. The Bible calls it solemn.
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