Akane wrote:Sarah didn't trust God to deliver a son to her so she tried to make somethin' happen on her own.
I don't think that's a fair comparison. In that situation, God Himself literally said in an audible voice "HEY I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A SON OKAY?"
Last I checked, nobody here heard an audible voice from God saying "HEY I'M GONNA GIVE YOU A SPOUSE AND THEIR NAME WILL BE _____________."
Even if you think you're doin' a good thing or what you think God wants you to do, you really need to make sure you're not actin' on your own understandin' or wishful thinkin'.
Which is nice in theory, until you're put in the situation I was in where the girl I was dating and I both thought we were doing what God wanted by being together. And maybe we were and God wanted us to suffer a horrible breakup. Or maybe we weren't and that's just the results.
But either way we prayed a LOT and listened to God a LOT and thought we WERE doing what God wanted.
Which is why I said that to assume God will always tell you everything to do and never have you make a mistake is being arrogant. It's also arrogant to assume even if God DOES lead you to a person that it will always work out and you'll live happily ever after. Maybe God led you to a person so they could abuse and mistreat you and make your life miserable because God does that sometimes. Maybe God led you to a person so you could mistreat THEM and then you'd feel really guilty and learn a valuable lesson about how relationships work.
Saying "Wait for God's timing, make sure you're doing what He's telling you!" is one of those pieces of advice that is true and sounds great on paper but doesn't quite work out exactly in reality. It's on the level of "If you want to carve a statue of an owl, take a big rock and cut off everything that doesn't look like an owl!" It is true, and sounds great, but it's not going to help anyone actually carve a statue of an owl.
I don't think anyone here is advocating for saying "Screw God, I'm gonna do what I wanna do!" I think what we're all saying is that 1) we're humans and it's hard for us to understand or even know God's will, 2) God's not going to always make everything work out perfectly, and 3) praying and waiting for God's answer isn't going to always get you the results you want, any more than praying for a person to live through a disease/accident always makes them live.
Again, Sarah and Abraham is not a good analogy because of the unique situation of God audibly telling them something, and the fact that we can look at the whole story since it was in the past, whereas it's a bit different living in the present.
Also, looking at the story, I see this is what God said to Abraham (Abram at the time):
Then the word of the LORD came to him: "This man will not be your heir, but a son coming from your own body will be your heir." - Genesis 15:4
So we can see, God actually didn't say anything to Sarah (Sarai at the time). Nor did God say "A son coming from your wife will be your heir." In fact, God didn't mention Sarai at all. God said "A son from YOUR body, Abram, will be your heir." Since Sarai was barren, then their decision to try and conceive a child through the maidservant wasn't far-fetched. And God didn't say WHEN Abram would be given a son, so Abram was just taking initiative.
It wasn't until way later that God actually said "Oh yeah your wife Sarai is gonna become pregnant just so you know." God didn't say that until way after Ishmael was even born. So again, probably not the best example to use.