gb2school anime 2010 (FALL)

[Nate]

My use of the word in this context was still correct.

It was technically correct.

The best kind of correct!

Unless, of course, you can explain to me without difficulty--using the trailer--why the girl was, with apparent randomness, taking off her clothing.

I assume it had something to do with the glowing symbol on her chest. Maybe it can't work its magics without clothes in the way. Man I don't know. I'm just willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. XD

Is there more pedantry that needs addressing, or are we done with justifying my every statement to your satisfaction?

Nah I think we're good now.

[ich1990]

Nah I think we're good now.

Excellent. Carry on.

[goldenspines]

Sup guys, there's a new Star Driver trailer.

Oh man, it's a magical boy show with giant robots in space. Sign me up.

No actually, the character designs and premise do look interesting enough to warrant a first episode watch.
Also, I like the trailer music.

[blkmage]

So based on what I've read (and based on the staff that's working on the show), it looks like Star Driver is going to be kind of like an Utena-ish mecha show. This is the director's first mecha show and he recognizes that mecha and magical girl shows seem to share a lot of tropes and themes (and I agree with him). The scriptwriter is the guy who wrote Utena.

So yeah, this sounds better and better to me already. You're going to be disappointed if you're expecting stuff that's in well-explored territory like Gurren Lagann or Eureka Seven. At the very least, it'll be interesting to see what someone new to the genre will bring and it'll be interesting to see how the magical girl x mecha thing works out in the other direction (where the current example of combining the two produced Nanoha).

[Nate]

Hey guys seen the trailer for Panty and Stocking? Here ya go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shHZmwq9X1Q

Um...watch this with headphones on. Just...trust me on that.

Yeeeeeeaaaaaah...I don't know how much money you'd have to pay me to get me to watch that but...it would be a lot.

[CrimsonRyu17]

^ That's terrible, no lie.

[Fish and Chips]

Hey guys seen the trailer for Panty and Stocking? Here ya go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shHZmwq9X1Q

[Falx]

Ugh

/drop

[TheSubtleDoctor]

It's a long, long way down from Honneamise.

[Atria35]

It looks like something I'd see on Cartoon Network.... with fanservice. If it didn't have that (and did I see her panties turn into a weapon there?!), then I'd check it out. I mean, I like the Powerpuff Girls. But as it is.... no.

[blkmage]

Between the reactions to the trailers for this and Star Driver, I'm wondering, do you guys read any sources of information on new shows other than what's in the thread? Because neither of those trailers contained anything surprising for me and fell pretty squarely in line with projections for Q3.

If that's the case, then I guess I'll try to be more comprehensive in the show descriptions next time.

[MightiMidget]

You and ANN are my only anime news sources, blkmage. And once in a blue moon...Sci-Fi Wire.

[Nate]

What I think is particularly funny is that people are complaining that this is a show primarily about sex when the name of the anime is "Panty and Stocking." COME ON GUYS WHAT DID YOU EXPECT SERIOUSLY.

I have to say I wasn't particularly interested in this show before, but the terrible animation was a real turnoff. I mean, yeah, I'm sure it's INTENTIONALLY terrible animation, but still. Also, not a big fan of poop jokes. Or the Invader Zim dog ripoff.

The comics I read for it were pretty funny, but I can't post them on CAA for obvious reasons, although the censoring was pretty funny (the blonde chick standing there naked saying "I LIKE SOX!" with some naked green dude behind her).

[Atria35]

^ Actually, I totally expected the fanservice. Not the problem on my end, actually- it's what they do with said panty and stocking. Wierd stuff.

[MightiMidget]

I expected fanservice too, and I personally like the ridiculous art and animation. But it just doesn't look worth it.

Also, Star Driver didn't sound interesting to begin with but I figured hey, whatever, I'll try it anyways. But. Nah. Looks even worse than I feared. ops:

[goldenspines]

Between the reactions to the trailers for this and Star Driver, I'm wondering, do you guys read any sources of information on new shows other than what's in the thread? Because neither of those trailers contained anything surprising for me and fell pretty squarely in line with projections for Q3.

If that's the case, then I guess I'll try to be more comprehensive in the show descriptions next time.

For me personally, I just don't have time to do the research (unless it's on a show I'm really interested in and not just "Oh, this may be okay if I have the time to watch the first episode."). Therefore, I find the trailers posted, threads like these, and word of mouth from friends valuable to my knowledge about upcoming anime.
If you want to type up more descriptions about series, you can. But I'd hate to give you more work to do. XD


Also, Panty and Stocking looks how its name sounds. No surprises there, really.
The animation murdered my eyes, I think, though...

[MasterDias]

I was expecting Gainax doing The Powerpuff Girls...and it looks like Gainax doing The Powerpuff Girls. Not especially my cup of tea. But I was also kind of surprised at the reactions. I mean the artstyle was evident from early on, as was the fact that there would be a sexual element to it.
Ah well, this is probably going to be simulcasted one way or another, and I'd wager Adult Swim would want to pick this up for their block.

Anyway, other recent non-camrip trailers/PVs...

Super Robot Taisen OG: The Inspector

Tantei Opera Milky Holmes

Togainu no Chi

To Aru Majutsu No Index II

Otome Youkai Zukuro

Kuragehime

[Yamamaya]

The art in Panty and Stocking looks hilarious but yeah, no.

[TheSubtleDoctor]

Between the reactions to the trailers for this and Star Driver, I'm wondering, do you guys read any sources of information on new shows other than what's in the thread? Because neither of those trailers contained anything surprising for me and fell pretty squarely in line with projections for Q3.

If that's the case, then I guess I'll try to be more comprehensive in the show descriptions next time.

Frankly, I did not feel the inclination to search out information on something called Panty and Stocking. But the link to the trailer was right here and I thought, "I'll give it a watch." I wasn't surprised in the least considering it's a Gainax show...just thought I'd make a snarky comment about what I consider to be their identity change, their fall from a studio that was on the cutting-edge in terms of creativity to a studio that almost exclusively trades in otaku pandering.

[Yamamaya]

On second thought I might watch Panty and Stocking because I love toilet humor. Also dat art style.

Also I want to see if "Chuck"*cough*Gir*cough* gets Gainax sued.

[MasterDias]

just thought I'd make a snarky comment about what I consider to be their identity change, their fall from a studio that was on the cutting-edge in terms of creativity to a studio that almost exclusively trades in otaku pandering.

Otaku pandering? Actually, I don't see this being very successful in Japan. From the description and the trailer, it looks like it bears more resemblance to American Cartoon Network/Adult Swim-original shows than it does to anything that Japanese "otaku" really go for.
I can see it being more of hit with western fans than the Japanese...

[blkmage]

Frankly, I did not feel the inclination to search out information on something called Panty and Stocking. But the link to the trailer was right here and I thought, "I'll give it a watch." I wasn't surprised in the least considering it's a Gainax show...just thought I'd make a snarky comment about what I consider to be their identity change, their fall from a studio that was on the cutting-edge in terms of creativity to a studio that almost exclusively trades in otaku pandering.

I can't tell whether this statement betrays a lack of understanding of the history of Gainax and their works or a lack of understanding of what constitutes otaku pandering. Either way, depending on your definitions and timelines, your observation would have been witty and incisive about ten years ago, in the same way that knocking Star Wars for Ewoks is about a few decades overdue.

[TheSubtleDoctor]

I don't think anyone wants this to turn into a Gainax thread, but I feel the need to respond. Perhaps I am working with a faulty definition of otaku pandering. I was under the impression that the term's meaning changes based on what the current otaku culture looks like: it is now a culture that embraces moe and loli con rather than mecha or hard sci-fi. Thus, shows that pander to such sensibilities would seem to be otaku pandering shows.

your observation would have been witty and incisive about ten years ago

I disagree. Ten years ago Gainax showed some (of the final?) signs that they could still crank out something creative and original, namely FLCL. A coupe of years prior they made the End of Eva films. Regardless of whether or not you enjoy any of these titles, I think you would be hard pressed to deny the attempt by Gainax to do something innovative that appeals to more than just otaku. I haven't really seen that from them this decade. If I made my comment ten years ago, it wouldn't be quite accurate because it wouldn't have the chance to refer to such gems as Mahoromatic (2001) and He is My Master (2005).

Not saying that they didn't make an op show before the year 2000]oung-looking [/B]female main characters set to sex noises doesn't do anything to dissuade me.
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Liking that Super Robot Wars Trailer

[blkmage]

1. The presence of sexual innuendo does not constitute otaku pandering. Neither does the presence of girls (which apparently is enough to get K-ON labelled as such).
2. The presence of otaku pandering does not constitute a show of poor quality, which appears to be the insinuation in your comments. If that wasn't it, then what's the point of bringing it up disparagingly?
3. Bread and butter is a term that appears to be applied simply by the volume of titles produced and not, say, revenue or critical acclaim. I think it's safe to say that Gurren Lagann did more for Gainax in every than any other show they did in the past decade. And if Gurren Lagann is otaku pandering, then welp, I guess Evangelion was too.
4. In a sea of light novel and manga adaptations, Panty and Stocking is one of the most innovative shows this season.
5. See MasterDias' post re: why Panty and Stocking is not necessarily otaku pandering and why your understanding of it is too broad/general.

I'm not saying that Panty and Stocking is an amazing show that everyone should go watch; in fact, I expect that I'm the only one that's willing to watch it and that's fine. What bugs me is the air of "I don't like it so it must be bad" that seems to be prevalent in this thread in particular. In particular, point 2 from above is the one I want to stress.

[Nate]

I was under the impression that the term's meaning changes based on what the current otaku culture looks like: it is now a culture that embraces moe and loli con rather than mecha or hard sci-fi. Thus, shows that pander to such sensibilities would seem to be otaku pandering shows.

Okay, but so? All I hear is "Pandering is awesome when it's things I like but it sucks when it's things I don't like." Why weren't you complaining when they were pandering to mech fans? Oh wait, because you like mech stuff. Everyone loves pandering when it's to their tastes, so even IF Panty and Stocking is pandering, so what? Why shouldn't other people be allowed to see things they like?

I think you would be hard pressed to deny the attempt by Gainax to do something innovative that appeals to more than just otaku.

Ha ha what? You think Evangelion and FLCL appeal to more than otaku? I've got some bad news for you.

If I made my comment ten years ago, it wouldn't be quite accurate because it wouldn't have the chance to refer to such gems as Mahoromatic

I can't tell if you're using "gems" ironically here but boy you'd best not be bashing Mahoromatic, one of my favorite anime of all time. >:l It was actually a decently written and fun show. I'm not going to hold it up as a beacon of writing quality or anything but it had a good story and interesting and likable characters. Certainly better than a lot of the stuff on the market.

blkmage said a lot of stuff I was going to say. Even if these shows are "otaku pandering" that doesn't mean they're bad. It just seems like one of those things people throw around to be insulting regardless of quality. Ever heard of anyone referring to Scott Pilgrim as "hipster?" Hipster is another word people like to throw around that doesn't say a dang thing about the quality of the work in question.

I do disagree with a couple of your points, blkmage, though. XD

In a sea of light novel and manga adaptations, Panty and Stocking is one of the most innovative shows this season.

I really don't see that. I mean, I get what you're saying that this is a show that isn't based on a light novel/manga and that makes it at least fairly unique from most of the other titles, but innovative? There's already a definite ripoff of GIR from Invader Zim, and it just kind of looks like Powerpuff Girls with sex jokes.

Granted, I am basing this off the trailer and the two magazine comic scans I saw, but I don't think I'm far off the mark. I'm not saying it's a bad show, just not my type of humor. It actually seems like what MasterDias said, that this show was made for the sole purpose of Adult Swim licensing it.

So not saying it's bad (though I am saying it's not my kind of humor) but innovative? I don't see that at all.

[blkmage]

Actually, you're right. I think unique is the better descriptor.

[ich1990]

Aw crap. Turns out BL isn't the initial of some franchise I have never heard of before. That makes this:

Togainu no Chi is about some gang stuff in a dark, futuristic Tokyo and is an adaptation of the BL game by Nitro+.

Sound a heck of a lot more ominous.

......maybe Iron Man will be good?


EDIT: Also, Powerpuff Girls is awesome. I don't know what the heck Panty and Stocking is but it sure isn't Powerpuff girls.

[MightiMidget]

Lol, Ich. ops: It might not be blatant? *hope held out* Or REALLY loosely adapted? I'll try it. It might not be too bad, or the story might be worth dealin'.

And I'll probably fluctuate back and forth on Panty and Stocking and Star Driver til they AIR. If they're easily accessible, I'll probably give them both a shot. Trailers have a rather strong knack for making something look dirtier/lamer then it is. Except in rare cases. Though so far the only uber awesome anime trailer I've seen is the Baccano! one, though granted I haven't seen many trailers.

[Nate]

Aw crap. Turns out BL isn't the initial of some franchise I have never heard of before. That makes this:

Sound a heck of a lot more ominous.

Why? Kanon and Air were based on hentai games and those turned out to have very little objectionable content.

I don't know what the heck Panty and Stocking is but it sure isn't Powerpuff girls.

No no, I wasn't saying it's related in any way. I was saying the art style and general look/plot of the show seemed like Powerpuff Girls.

[ich1990]

Why? Kanon and Air were based on hentai games and those turned out to have very little objectionable content.

So an anime based on a yaoi game has exactly the same chance of having homosexual content as anime that is based heterosexual games? That doesn't seem likely, hence my apprehension.

Hey, wait a minute. I thought we were done over-analyzing my comments? At least can we be done doing so within this thread?

No no, I wasn't saying it's related in any way. I was saying the art style and general look/plot of the show seemed like Powerpuff Girls.

Ah, okay.