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Postby teigeki_calesa » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:27 am

danceljoy (post: 1324430) wrote:That's why my parents would rather want me to watch animes than cartoons when I was young. They don't like the idea of loony toons :hits_self each other for fun or bullying. My father says that in animes we see characters bleed, cry and fight for a reason. I'm not saying that cartoons are bad, sometimes they are just as violent.


Now this is something entirely new to me. From my experience, parents are the first to throw a fit when they see their kids watch "those violent Japanese cartoons that teach nothing but hatred and evil", and redirect them back to the "safe" likes of Spongebob Squarepants.
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Postby danceljoy » Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:56 am

teigeki_calesa (post: 1327480) wrote:Now this is something entirely new to me. From my experience, parents are the first to throw a fit when they see their kids watch "those violent Japanese cartoons that teach nothing but hatred and evil", and redirect them back to the "safe" likes of Spongebob Squarepants.


This is kinda off topic but I can't help but respond:

I know. But I never liked the idea of Bugs Bunny making fun of the bald man. Jerry tormenting Tom for just being a cat,and petty reasons such as being a lazy cat does not justify it. And I never knew someone who got violent because of anime.

I once watched a video where a 10 year old kid died when he buried his face into the sand. His parents and the media blamed the kid's love of imitating Gaara in Naruto.

When kids jump off a high place or hit others with a hammer they don't blame cartoons do they?
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Postby ShiroiHikari » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:49 am

I dunno. Nobody blames cartoons for violence because Looney Tunes and the like are so zany and surreal that the slapstick violence isn't taken seriously, whereas anime is often much more realistic, so the violence is possibly more affecting? In any case, any kid that tries to imitate something violent probably hasn't been taught what was right in the first place, and I don't think cartoons OR anime should be blamed in those instances.

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Postby EricTheFred » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:11 am

I'm with Joy's parents on this, I think, even though I never stopped my kids from watching Looney Toons. I did make similar statements when others got on me about letting my kids watch Anime.

Although I try to see the series, or at least the episode, before my kids do, since there are plenty of Anime that just have too much 'content', I have a lot fewer misgivings about the tone of these than I do about the tone of most American stuff, live action or animated.

Anyway on the original subject, I tend to like how most Anime treat death. Admittedly, there are action Anime that drop people faster than a Hollywood cowboy shooting Native Americans, but very often, Anime shows the loss everyone suffers. Sometimes very dramatically, as in the aforementioned Negima case. I think that American movies and TV are often very cold in this regard.

ShiroiHikari (post: 1327899) wrote:I dunno. Nobody blames cartoons for violence because Looney Tunes and the like are so zany and surreal that the slapstick violence isn't taken seriously, whereas anime is often much more realistic,


Actually, the Looney Tunes and such that you see now is often severely edited from the stuff I watched as a kid, and people were indeed blaming those shows for inspiring violence. Roadrunner was a favorite, and is probably the most heavily edited of the bunch now.
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Postby ShiroiHikari » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:19 am

EricTheFred (post: 1327909) wrote:Anyway on the original subject, I tend to like how most Anime treat death. Admittedly, there are action Anime that drop people faster than a Hollywood cowboy shooting Native Americans, but very often, Anime shows the loss everyone suffers. Sometimes very dramatically, as in the aforementioned Negima case. I think that American movies and TV are often very cold in this regard.


I agree. In movies and television, it seems like we never have time to get attached to a character before they're killed off. And there are shows like CSI where there are dead people all over the place and all they care about is examining the body. Maybe a lot of Americans are afraid to be emotional or something. XD

Actually, the Looney Tunes and such that you see now is often severely edited from the stuff I watched as a kid, and people were indeed blaming those shows for inspiring violence. Roadrunner was a favorite, and is probably the most heavily edited of the bunch now.


This is true...though I think you can get the unedited ones on the Golden Collections. Maybe I'm the weird one for never having been affected by the violence in those cartoons.
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Postby rocklobster » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:24 am

I was never affected either. It's not nearly as bad as those Itchy and Scratchy cartoons on the Simpsons.
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Postby SnoringFrog » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:25 pm

Gunslinger Girl Il Teatrino:[spoiler] Pinocchio -- He was easily my favorite character of the series. Triela is my favorite cyborg, but I still almost wanted to see her die in the fight against Pinocchio, or at least have a double fatality.[/spoiler]

Samurai 7: [spoiler]Kyuzo -- He was my favorite character, and the way he died was just plain wrong. He wasn't taken out by some skillful opponent or even a stray enemies bullet, he was shot by the bullets that went through the enemy standing in front of him, fired by Kateshiro (I believe). Also, seeing Kikocho(sp?) go wasn't easy either.[/spoiler]
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Postby teigeki_calesa » Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:02 am

ShiroiHikari (post: 1327914) wrote:I agree. In movies and television, it seems like we never have time to get attached to a character before they're killed off. And there are shows like CSI where there are dead people all over the place and all they care about is examining the body. Maybe a lot of Americans are afraid to be emotional or something. XD.


And that explains why in the US, male characters or ANY characters who show emotion are hastily labeled as "emo" or "wimp". Man, we are WAY off topic.
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Postby caramellmusic » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:09 pm

"safe" likes of Spongebob Squarepants.

Heck, Spongebob is more violent then most of the animes I watch :P
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Postby Lilac#18 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:20 pm

Naruto Shippuden

[spoiler]Chiyo[/spoiler]


Dragon Ball Z

[spoiler]Mirai Trunks in Cell saga
Videl and Android #18 in Buu saga[/spoiler]

That's all I can think of right now.
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Postby Lilac#18 » Fri Jun 25, 2010 6:34 pm

[color="Plum"]Can this thread still be revived?[/color]
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Postby steenajack » Sun Jun 27, 2010 12:18 am

Why yes!

Haibane Remei:
[spoiler] Kuu and Reki. The first one was really unexpected, and the reaction to it was equally saddening. But, by the last episode when Reki took her Day of Flight, I was crying by the end of the anime. Even though everything ended on a hopeful note, it was still sad. :([/spoiler]

Hikaru no Go:
[spoiler] SAI!!!!!!! Oh how I loved and adored Sai! Technically, he was a ghost, so he was already dead. BUT WHY THE HECK DID HE HAVE TO LEAVE LIKE THAT! Even when I read the manga after seeing every episode of the anime, I still cried even though I knew it was coming. Hikaru's reaction to it all was also very heartbreaking, because he couldn't talk to ANYONE about it. They would just think he's crazy, seeing people that "suddenly disappear". Hikaru had NO ONE to help him cope with loss![/spoiler]

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Postby ashfire » Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:43 am

I know like in Trigun you have Woofwood's death but when you find a story as a continuation of Trigun in fan written stories it makes you think that Woofwood was rescued before biological death by some unseen character and for Woofwood to not know who he is until he meets his daughter.
There have been a few anime I have hated the idea of a character dying but death happens.
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Postby battletech » Sun Jun 27, 2010 1:04 pm

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[spoiler]Folken dies and Van cries out "brother". Floken then says "That sweet sound I had forgotten".[/spoiler]
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Postby airichan623 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:14 pm

FMA (all series)
[spoiler] Maes Hughes... he was such a kind daddy!!!! I cried watching Brotherhood, both times I read it in the manga. I didnt cry for the first anime cuz Elicia's English voice ruined the line that always got me crying...

And I actually liked that Martel snake chimera chick from the first Greed arc[/spoiler]

Code Geass & Code Geass R2
[spoiler] Euphemia. I was so ready for there to be a cheesy but beautiful ending with kind Lelouch still intact, Suzaku and Euphy together forever, and Japan saved. Yes, she was a little annoying sometimes. But I still thought she was very admirable.

Rolo. He was such a messed up little boy... I thought that, even though he killed Shirley, he would be someone that wouldn't leave Lelouch.

Shirley. I loved this character. Her dying was a total out of the blue thing that I didnt expect at all.

And Lelouch himself. So bishie, yet so awesome. And the final scene of the series gets me almost every single time I watch it (I've watched it like 5 times now) It's not anyone's ideal ending, but it was a truly unexpected but different than usual ending. Not what you'd expect from a mainstream series. For Code Geass, its like killing off Harry Potter or Naruto: you kill the character, you knowingly kill the series.[/spoiler]

Death Note
[spoiler] L. I loved him and his strange ways.

Soichiro Yagami. I think he was the only leaderly person you could put on the good side of good vs evil main cast. [/spoiler]

Naruto Shippuden
[spoiler] Asuma. I thought he was so awesome and then bombshell! He's gone. [/spoiler]

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Postby Rocketshipper » Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:30 pm

I agree with the people who have been posting Death Note. Definitly a very depressingd and emotionla death in that one.

I don't really have too many to contribute, but here are some that affected me in someway or another...

FMA (original series) [SPOILER]Scar. Even though he was a killer, he was my favorite character and I was really hoping he'd survive. I really loved that he does in FMA Brotherhood. [/SPOILER]

Macross Plus [SPOILER] Guld. My favorite character in the movie, I was so annoyed when he died. I thought he was a better match with Myung too[/SPOILER]

Macross 7 [SPOILER] Gigil. He may have had a pretty bad singining voice, but I thought he little character arc was very good. [/SPOILER]

Sailor Moon [SPOILER] When everyone dies in the final two episodes of season 1. Yeah, they all come back, but it was still really well done and emotional. Also the big grand finale of Sailor Stars. Again, everyone comes back in the end, but they really got as much drama and angst and emotion out of it as they could.[/SPOILER]

This next one hardly seems to need spoiler tags, since its almost on the level of "the Sled" in terms of "things that have already been spoiled up the wazoo" but...

Getter Robo [SPOILER] Musashi Tomoe. Hands down favorite character in the series, he pretty much MADE the show, and then he dies in the last episode. And also in nearly every Alternate Continuity the series ahs ever had. Poor Musashi :( [/SPOILER]
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Postby Atria35 » Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:08 pm

Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 [spoiler] where the brother died. As a sister myself, I really felt that.[/spoiler]

FMA [spoiler]Hughes. And Nina and her dog. Every time.[/spoiler]

Haibane Renmei [spoiler] Even though I know she doesn't 'die' per say, Kuu's leaving was very, very sad[/spoiler]

I know there's more, but right now I'm getting depressed thinking about them!
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Postby Cadence » Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:08 pm

I have to wonder if I might be slightly sadistic, as I tend to enjoy things with lots of pain, suffering, and the more character deaths the better! However, a few that actually got to me were:

FMA
[SPOILER]Call me evil if you will, but I've always really liked Envy. I put off watching episode 54 of Brotherhood for a long while because I hate seeing him go (though, I admit, the end Arakawa gave him was very fitting). He is so messed up and evil, yet somehow is one of my favorite FMA characters.[/SPOILER]
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[SPOILER]Misuzu, of course. It was so...bittersweet.[/SPOILER]
Though I disliked Wolf's Rain as a whole
[SPOILER]Toboe's death really got to me. I had no idea I'd become so attached to the character.[/SPOILER]
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[SPOILER]Dio's death. Though I still can't figure out if he actually died or not...[/SPOILER]
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Postby rocklobster » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:22 am

Cadence (post: 1404772) wrote:Also, in Last Exile
[SPOILER]Dio's death. Though I still can't figure out if he actually died or not...[/SPOILER]

[spoiler] He did.[/spoiler]
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Postby crusader88 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:57 am

Sailor Moon

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Postby Fish and Chips » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:50 am

steenajack (post: 1404592) wrote:Why yes!

Haibane Remei:
[spoiler] Kuu and Reki. The first one was really unexpected, and the reaction to it was equally saddening. But, by the last episode when Reki took her Day of Flight, I was crying by the end of the anime. Even though everything ended on a hopeful note, it was still sad. :([/spoiler]
Wait, what, they don't die.

How are you interpreting the Day of Flight.
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Postby Radical Dreamer » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:25 pm

Fish and Chips (post: 1404911) wrote:Wait, what, they don't die.

How are you interpreting the Day of Flight.


XD Yeah, I was going to say...

[SPOILER]Since Glie is interpreted by most (the creator included, if I'm not mistaken) as some sort of purgatory, the Day of Flight is actually when someone gets released from that purgatory and moves on. So even though it's seen as a sad occasion when Kuu takes her Day of Flight, that's more because Rakka doesn't understand it than anything else. When Reki takes her Day of Flight, however, it's a very hopeful event because Reki was finally able to reconcile her sins/past.[/SPOILER]

That's how I saw it, anyways. XD
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Postby MightiMidget » Mon Jun 28, 2010 7:30 pm

danceljoy (post: 1324409) wrote:And in Gankutsuou:

[spoiler]Franz Epinay- IT'S SO SAD. He loves Albert so much. I hate it when people joke of him as gay when I see pure friendship in him. I firmly believe that a man loving another man not in a sexual context is fine.
[/spoiler]


Just watched this, and can I say I have never in my memory cried that hard. Or been that shaken up by the death of a character.
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Postby Nate » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:30 pm

Kamen Rider Hibiki!
[SPOILER]Zanki was like the coolest character EVER and then he died...it sucked because they sorta ruined his character a bit before they offed him, but he was STILL super awesome and the jam session he had with Todoroki right before he died...so awesome...but I didn't want him to die![/SPOILER]
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Postby Solid Ronin » Mon Jun 28, 2010 8:48 pm

Kamen Rider Kabuto.

[spoiler]Kamen Rider Sasword, Kamishiro Tsurugi, being to make true strides in becoming a better person only to find out he was never a person to begin with...I cried so much[/spoiler]
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Postby Atria35 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:01 pm

Romeo x Juliet [spoiler] The title characters. I mean, yeah, they're Romeo and Juliet, but still![/spoiler]
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Postby Nate » Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:04 pm

Does that really need a spoiler tag? I mean...come on. XD
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Postby steenajack » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:11 pm

Radical Dreamer (post: 1404914) wrote:XD Yeah, I was going to say...

[SPOILER]Since Glie is interpreted by most (the creator included, if I'm not mistaken) as some sort of purgatory, the Day of Flight is actually when someone gets released from that purgatory and moves on. So even though it's seen as a sad occasion when Kuu takes her Day of Flight, that's more because Rakka doesn't understand it than anything else. When Reki takes her Day of Flight, however, it's a very hopeful event because Reki was finally able to reconcile her sins/past.[/SPOILER]

That's how I saw it, anyways. XD


I agree, still I was kinda sad to see them go. I had happy and sad tears while watching that anime.
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Postby MightiMidget » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:15 pm

Nate (post: 1405091) wrote:Does that really need a spoiler tag? I mean...come on. XD


LOL! Well, I for one was hoping it differ greatly enough that they might not die...:6: But all my hoping in vain.
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Postby rocklobster » Tue Jun 29, 2010 5:35 am

Eureka 7: [spoiler]Ray and Charles: They were so nice to Renton. OK, they were with the enemy and were only acting that way to get info from the kid, but you could tell they weren't happy with deceiving him.[/spoiler]
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