Biggest pet peeves

[Nate]

Well, a more accurate word would be "viewpoint"...not opinion. The same goes for TG's statement...That's probably what he meant to say.

But someone's point of view can be wrong too, and if someone has an incorrect point of view why would I not try to change it? :l I mean most people in the 1800s had the view that black people were inferior to whites, that was their "point of view" but it was completely and totally wrong, should people have just sat back and said "Well, that's their point of view, I shouldn't try to change their mind!"

That's a rhetorical question because if you were to even answer no to that then you are a horrible human being and should probably be shot.

[J.R.]

I wasn't disagreeing with you or anyone.

As you said, an opinion can't be "proven wrong". An opinion hinges on your point-of-view in regards to a matter. And a point-of-view hinges on the perception of facts...be them right or wrong. The only way to "prove someone wrong" is to demonstrate that their perception of facts is wrong...or that they just plain have their facts wrong altogether.

So again, not here to disagree...I was only trying to find a more accurate term to use.

[TGJesusfreak]

I guess that's a pet peeve of mine too, now that I think about it. Calling things opinions that aren't really opinions, just ignorance or bigotry.

TG just expressed his opinion, and you just took four paragraphs trying to prove him wrong.

Well, a more accurate word would be "viewpoint"...not opinion. The same goes for TG's statement...That's probably what he meant to say.

Basically What Nate said is what my intention was. An opinion that SHOULD be based in fact (like thinking the earth is flat etc...) but is not because they want to think what they think.

[Nate]

An opinion hinges on your point-of-view in regards to a matter. And a point-of-view hinges on the perception of facts...be them right or wrong.

I don't know that I agree with that. It seems, usually, that the perception of facts hinges on a person's point of view. This is painfully obvious in the political climate of today...I won't get really political, as it's forbidden (and this thread would get ugly fast) but a good example would be the "Get your government hands off my Medicare!" slogan Tea Partiers were using. Medicare is a government program! The Tea Partiers did not perceive facts and then create a point of view]The only way to "prove someone wrong" is to demonstrate that their perception of facts is wrong...or that they just plain have their facts wrong altogether. [/QUOTE]
But again, since people perceive the facts to fit their viewpoints (rather than looking at the facts and creating a viewpoint), most people are not going to believe you that they have the facts wrong. Look at studies that show that violent crimes have decreased over the past couple of decades and try to tell that to the people crusading against violent video games, saying that they turn kids into killers. They're not going to perceive the facts correctly because it doesn't mesh with their viewpoint, so they either ignore those facts or create lies as to why they're invalid.

And Ryan I swear if you come in here and start talking about how we can never know what truth is and our senses are limited and our perception is skewed I will yell really loudly at my monitor and punch the wall.

An opinion that SHOULD be based in fact (like thinking the earth is flat etc...) but is not because they want to think what they think.

Okay, we agree with each other then. Right on.

[J.R.]

But again, since people perceive the facts to fit their viewpoints (rather than looking at the facts and creating a viewpoint), most people are not going to believe you that they have the facts wrong. Look at studies that show that violent crimes have decreased over the past couple of decades and try to tell that to the people crusading against violent video games, saying that they turn kids into killers. They're not going to perceive the facts correctly because it doesn't mesh with their viewpoint, so they either ignore those facts or create lies as to why they're invalid.

At some point here, we'll just start getting to semantics...And as I agree with your overall statement, I see no point in rebutting. Yes, people that don't want to consider the fact that they may actually be wrong are generally not going to change their POV very readily. Therein lies the issue of debate in general...as people are inherently prideful and most don't want to be shown they are wrong when that truly is the case.

[Lilac#18]

[color="Plum"]Racism and racial stereotypes.[/color]

[Garland]

I can't stand it when people accuse others of being racist when the issue isn't race or when the accused person isn't being racist.

I also hate the whole debating tactic of the "race card." All it ever does is shift the focus from the debate at hand.

[TGJesusfreak]

I can't stand it when people accuse others of being racist when the issue isn't race or when the accused person isn't being racist.

I also hate the whole debating tactic of the "race card." All it ever does is shift the focus from the debate at hand.

I agree.
And to go a bit farther. It's a peeve of mine when people play the race card. Then say your racist when the fact that they're playing the race card means that they are thinking in terms of race. Meaning that they themselves are racist in a way. O.o Strange XD

[Lilac#18]

I can't stand it when people accuse others of being racist when the issue isn't race or when the accused person isn't being racist.

I also hate the whole debating tactic of the "race card." All it ever does is shift the focus from the debate at hand.

[color="Plum"]I agree also. Especially if they don't know the person.[/color]

[Nate]

I also hate the whole debating tactic of the "race card." All it ever does is shift the focus from the debate at hand.

Then I will counter saying one of my pet peeves is when people say "race card" any time race pops up in a debate, even if it's a valid point. They just say "You're playing the race card!" and then act as if they win the debate.

Godwin's Law is a corollary of this. When Nazis are brought up (legitimately) in a debate, someone will just say "Godwin's Law, you lose!" Again, this isn't for spurious claims such as "My parents grounded me for a week! They're worse than Hitler!" It's for actual, legitimate comparisons to the Third Reich.

I can't stand it when people accuse others of being racist when the issue isn't race or when the accused person isn't being racist.

I don't see how this is wrong. Someone can be racist even if they aren't being racist right at that moment. Also, race ties into many issues, whether some people want to admit it or not. Just because someone can't see how race relates to an issue doesn't mean that race isn't involved in the issue.

It's kind of like the "How can your Christian faith possibly have any bearing on what you eat for dinner?" Well, depending on what your faith entails, it might have a lot to do with what you eat for dinner (choosing not to eat animals to lessen suffering, choosing not to eat fatty or high cholesterol foods to take care of your body since God's gift of life is precious, and so on). Again, just because someone doesn't see how it relates doesn't mean it isn't related.

[Htom Sirveaux]

When I'm watching a movie and eating something, and then I finish what I'm eating without realizing it. The next time I look down I see an empty plate, and I'm thinking, "Huh? What happened to my food?"

[FllMtl Novelist]

When a discussion/thread goes from being non-political to political.

Just to be clear, I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. I'm just saying.

[MomentOfInertia]

Cell phones. there everywhere and people are always using them.

I also despise pointless, fell-good publicity stunts like that thing about Ubisoft not including print manuals with there games "for the environment." Its a nice sentiment and all, but come on!

[Nate]

How are cellphones a pet peeve? I can understand "People using cell phones while they're driving" or "People talking loudly on cell phones at restaurants or the movie theater." But dude, let me tell you, I had my car break down in the mountains one time, and if I hadn't had a cell phone? I don't know WHAT would have happened because the nearest phone was probably about 30 miles away.

Plus in my line of work (working for the Census Bureau) a cell phone is pretty much a necessity, I need for my employees to be able to reach me at all times, and my boss needs to be able to reach me at all times. When someone calls me saying "Hey I just had a gun pulled on me at a house I went to visit" that is kind of an important thing I need to tell the main office.

Ubisoft not including print manuals with there games "for the environment." Its a nice sentiment and all, but come on!

Psssh, real men don't read the manual. ;D

Besides with every game having two hour tutorials these days manuals are basically useless.

[Ante Bellum]

When someone calls me saying "Hey I just had a gun pulled on me at a house I went to visit" that is kind of an important thing I need to tell the main office.

...Has this ever...really happened?

[Radical Dreamer]

How are cellphones a pet peeve? I can understand "People using cell phones while they're driving" or "People talking loudly on cell phones at restaurants or the movie theater." But dude, let me tell you, I had my car break down in the mountains one time, and if I hadn't had a cell phone? I don't know WHAT would have happened because the nearest phone was probably about 30 miles away.

I think I understand what he's talking about. I think it's more about the kind of people who have their cellphones glued to their ear 24/7, so that they don't pay attention to anyone around them, or walk into a store and expect to be helped while they're having a second conversation on their cellphone. XD I've experienced the feeling of walking through a crowd of people where 75% of them are on cellphones, and it's definitely odd. XD They're certainly useful devices, and I use my cellphone often, but I'm guessing the pet peeve stems from the people who don't know when to put them down and pay attention to the world around them. XD

[Nate]

...Has this ever...really happened?

Ante. The Census is a government function. Look at the political climate in America today. How do you think some types of people in the current state of America would react to "Hello, I am here from the government and I need you to give me information about you and your family"?

We've had two people be held hostage at gunpoint. We've had one person be picked up and locked in a closet by someone. We've had two other people have guns pulled on them and told "Get off my property."

That's just the area I'm in charge of though. I heard one enumerator was actually shot (and possibly killed) by someone at a house he visited (in Kentucky or something I believe, but I'm not entirely sure).

I think it's more about the kind of people who have their cellphones glued to their ear 24/7, so that they don't pay attention to anyone around them, or walk into a store and expect to be helped while they're having a second conversation on their cellphone. XD

Oh yeah that's a bit bothersome, especially when some places (like Subway) even have signs saying "Do not talk on your cell phone when you're in line" and people do it anyway.

But still cell phones are like one of the greatest inventions ever created, even if people do abuse them.

[Ante Bellum]

Well, I guess I meant, would they just call you right away or would they go to the police first? I have no doubt some crazy people are going to go after government workers. Personally, -I- don't know anyone who has gone against the government. And thankfully my dad's not crazy, either, and that no government workers have actually ever showed up at our door. I'd probably just slam and lock the door on them instead of actually getting violent.

[Garland]

Another thing I hate is when I hit my funny bone, which where I always seem to hit myself -- usually on a chair.

Also, Nate, I mean using the term racist when it isn't applicable When it is applicable, fine I can understand. Ideally, it never gets brought up, but it almost always seems to be an issue. I understand the history, but I just wish we as a country could get over it.

On the point of the race card being comparable to Godwin's law, I see what you mean. What I can't stand is when you disagree with someone and they automatically use the race card as their trump all tactic or as their last defense.

[Htom Sirveaux]

When someone is saying the Lord's Prayer and they put a pause between

"Thy will be done" and
"On earth as it is in heaven."

"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" is a complete thought. But so often

"Thy Kingdom come" is paired with
"Thy will be done".

This is probably because "Come" and "Done" are a forced rhyme, so it's automatically thought of as a couplet.
Then there's a short pause between "Done" and "On earth . . ."

I cringe every time I hear that. To me, it just makes a beautiful prayer sound like a mindless, droning chant.

[Nate]

Got another one that I was reminded of when I went out to eat today. Restaurants, fast food places, all of them love to fill the cups completely with ice. This of course means less drink, since about 70% of the drink you order is just water (or will be when the ice melts).

I know why they do this. By filling the cup completely with ice, they make a huge profit by selling mostly frozen water and very little soda. For example, with a 16 oz. drink, you're getting maybe 5 or 6 oz. if you're lucky after they fill the cup with ice, and you'll probably pay at least a buck fifty for it. You can get a 12 oz. can of soda, twice as much as you'd get in a cup, for about 65-75 cents depending on how nice vending machine prices are in your area (I know one place where it's 50 cents).

I hate it, because you get less drink and it makes your soda taste nasty when the ice melts because it waters it down, but that's not the worst of it. No, the worst of it is when they do it at sit-down restaurants because you can't just get up and refill your drink like you could at a fast food place. No, you have to wait for your server to come back around before you can get a refill. I am a very thirsty dude and today when I went to Ruby Tuesday's for lunch, I finished off the glass of Coke I got almost immediately because it was like 70% ice. There is NO EXCUSE FOR THIS. I really wish people would wise up to eating establishments pulling crap like this and call them on it.

[Ante Bellum]

Ask for no/less ice. Wouldn't that work? Oh, and if they don't give you more to drink, complain and get free stuff!

[TGJesusfreak]

Homeschoolers who act like going to a public school turns you evil. I have met far too many people who say things like this and can't believe that they don't realize that, like the above, it is inexpressibly impolite

I'm homeschooled and I agree with this. It's the reverse of how in public schools some of the people treat the homeschoolers like they're all evil XD

So by calling all public school kids evil you're doing the exact thing that you have expressed dislike for. XD

[rocklobster]

Actually, given what I've heard is being taught in some public schools, I can't blame the parents for home-schooling. And that's all I want to say!

[Nate]

Actually, given what I've heard is being taught in some public schools, I can't blame the parents for home-schooling. And that's all I want to say!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzOBlPKZjxE

[Tsukuyomi]

When people take out their frustrations on me xD Then, when I call them out on it, they start getting emo.. XDD;;

[Wikiwalker]

People who are so "independent" and "mature" that they can't bother being nice to their family members by telling them where they are going sometimes so that their families don't worry. >:(

[ST. Attidude]

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4. Basket Load of Groceries at Self Checkouts/Bad Kids at Self Checkout: Okay, this is a major peeve for me. Self Checkouts like those at Wal-Mart and Albertsons are made, in my eyes, for customers who have no more than about 10 items. If you have more than this...do us all a favor--keep the line moving][/SIZE][/font]

Ah, the self-checkouts...the only way these things are faster than an actual person are when everything you will purchase are packaged in a bag or cardboard box...just forget produce, its near impossible. The things that you wish to see in the look up list are never there, and half the produce now does not even have code stickers...oh and if you load reusable bags on the bagging bay, you might as well cancel your doctor's appointment...

But as for my pet peeves,

* [color="plum"]when people smack their chewing gum[/color]: its not a pleasant sound to anyone chew anything with their mouth open. But with chewing gum, its repetitive; so its drives you more crazy by the minute...and its only worse when people are smacking with bubble gum.

* [color="plum"]when people come up to me asking "can I ask you a question/ for a favor?":[/color] Okay, not to be pessimistic, but I'd say that at least 80% of the people that ever come up to you are probably there because of they either want (A) your assistance OR (B) your insight. So why bother wasting 3 seconds of time and breath requesting pointless permission? Especially if that asker is the kind that drags out their question...Its not like some invisible man has got you at gunpoint from behind, oppressing your freedom of speech, just ask the question.

* [color="Plum"]when drivers speed through the turn over the crosswalk/ stop dead in the crosswalk[/color]: How do you expect I, the pedestrian, a figure that most drivers don't seem to like, to keep the law when you are in MY ZONE AND IN MY WAY??? And they just sit there like they don't have a reverse gear...morons like those make me want to roll over their hood or drop kick their front bumper off! And the white pedestrian sign signals people to go not you mr. speed racer. You might have somewhere to go, but don't forget that the walkers can't go as fast as you and might be just as in a rush...you're just gonna stop at another light three blocks from now...so slow down and be aware of your surroundings...isn't that how you got your driver's license?? And if you are going to go through all that trouble breaking the law over a zone you don't belong in, it won't harm you in any way then to correct yourself.

[TGJesusfreak]

People who are so "independent" and "mature" that they can't bother being nice to their family members by telling them where they are going sometimes so that their families don't worry. >:(

Reminds me vaugely of our older brother...

When people want you to do something and dont leave until they get what they want. I actually am kind of like this but have been trying not to be like this anymore XD.
So technically I'm my own peeve :/

Actually, given what I've heard is being taught in some public schools, I can't blame the parents for home-schooling. And that's all I want to say!

This is true for some schools and homeschooling isn't for everyone either. Homeschooling also doesn't work if your parents lock you away from the world XD

*Edit* Woah! Ella, way to post the same time as me! XD

[Ella Edric]

People who are so "independent" and "mature" that they can't bother being nice to their family members by telling them where they are going sometimes so that their families don't worry. >:(

Heh, reminds me of my brother a bit..... (not TG)
*edit* Thaat was freaky, TG posted the same time as me, saying the same thing! XD