The Scriptures and Suicide

[Fsiphskilm]

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[Paulo Q.]

First of all I'd like to say that I agree with rurouken on what he wrote on this thread.
Afterwords I'd like to ask you if you ever looked at all the nonsense there is nowadays. I know this sounds silly but have you ever laughed at yourself or at the others for doing some silly thing? Sometimes one just needs to laugh, cause this is the best medicine agaisnt sadness. Sometimes we don't notice the little things that happen all around us, and that is sad cause our life is full of little things and despite being little they are really important, so, if are not already full of advices, myne is for you to try and notice the silly little things that happen all around us.
I'll go for now with the hope of having helped, if not much, at least a little.

[TwilightApostle]

If you're at the end of your rope don't let go. that only means there's no way to go but up.
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I no I don't know you too well, but I can honestly say that you are obviously loved by a great many people. What you're going through is tough, and while I'm not going to minimize it by saying I've been there, I'll say that I understand. If you need to talk/vent/whatever, I'm here for you.

[Mave]

I rarely bump up old topics but I've been thinking of suicide today.

The thought comes up a little more often recently. When I was told today that I was one of the worst graduate students ever by one of my professors, due to my failures and stupidity and that he's so disappointed with me, that he doesn't want to be my advisor anymore, I didn't really know how to react. Get angry? Cry? Kick the door? Tear up paper? Punch something? Whine about it? Yell back? Comfort myself with my fav. food or drink?

I just nodded and decided, "OK, let's keep calm and see what we can do. I'll keep doing my best even if it's the worst." I walked out with a sad smile and wondered what God intended for me here in graduate school. Humility? Complete dependance on Him? Patience? Faith? Trust? Strength through Him?

Everything is going wrong. I can't fix my problems. I don't even know what's my problem. I get blamed for my bad decisions and judgment. I'm seen as inferior and stupid by others. I get tired of apologizing for my weaknesses. I get manipulated everyday. Does that sound familiar yet to anyone? Good, coz that's the sound of my heart breaking.

Nevertheless, whenever I consider suicide, I almost immediately hear, "No No No! Not after all what you've been through and have to do in the future." Nothing scriptural really, but somehow I know that I will die only when God decides it.

So, how do I deal with my pain? I seek acknowledgement of pain and suffering. As long as someone understands and listens to my problems, it substantially reduce the suicidal tendencies. I don't expect them to fix my problem. If someone hears me, it's good enough.

Then, I think of worst things that could happen to me. I could get into an accident, become paralyzed, blind. I could lose everything I own. I could get stabbed, raped or mutilated. My parents could have divorced or sexually abused me. I could be a prostitute, pregnant and homeless. So today, someone said something demoralizing to me and I beat myself to death over it. What about my friend who has to endure mocks and insults from her own mother? Sheesh.....life isn't that bad actually.

I recall what I want to do in life. I want to mangaka. I wish to go to culinary school. I want to write. I want to arrange music. I want to go to art school. I want to help develop games. I want paint a pic for my parents so that they'll be proud to hang it in their house. I want to be a sensory scientist and be involve in marketing/product development. I want to go into counseling/welfare. The list goes on......I have to be alive to do this.

Lastly, I recall what God has given to me. He gave me life, a healthy body, a hand for drawing, friends I can depend on, a boyfriend who may not care for Valentine's day but is there whenever I really need him, parents who love me, a fridge that's full with food, a eye for visualizing, a tongue that speaks fluently, a car that moves smoothly, a comfortable place for living and expenses that are affordable...the list goes on...I won't throw all that away just over my failures of being a smart independant researcher

Point is, I can't kill myself even if I wanted to. God has given me higher reasons to survive. Same goes for you, if you realize it.

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Untitled Hymn - Chris Rice

Weak and wounded sinner,
Lost and left to die,
O, raise your head for Love is passing by,

Come to Jesus,
Come to Jesus,
Come to Jesus and live,

Now your burden's lifted,
And carried far away,
And precious blood has washed away the stain... so

Sing to Jesus ,
Sing to Jesus ,
Sing to Jesus and live,

And like a newborn baby,
Don't be afraid to crawl,
And remember when you walk sometimes we fall... so

Fall on Jesus,
Fall on Jesus,
Fall on Jesus and live,

Sometimes the way is lonely,
And steep and filled with pain,
So if your sky is dark and pours the rain... then

Cry to Jesus,
Cry to Jesus,
Cry to Jesus and live,

O, and when the love splills over,
And music fills the night,
And when you can't contain you joy inside... then

Dance for Jesus,
Dance for Jesus,
Dance for Jesus and live,

And with your final heartbeat,
Kiss the world goodbye,
Then go in peace, and laugh on Glory's side... and

Fly to Jesus,
Fly to Jesus,
Fly to Jesus and live,
Fly to Jesus and live,
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God bless everyone

[JediSonic]

*claps 4 mave* Thats the right attitude to have

I'm adding you to my [mental] prayer list too, Mave, in hopes that your situation will improve! And like I said earlier.. dont ever let someone tell you you're worthless.. least of all some ol' grumpy professor!

[The Shadow]

i personally believe that suicide is wrong my reasoning below hope im not repeating anything

1 christians we are to set an example in all we do to the unbelievers so if they see that christians are killing them selves they can do it and its allright. we are meant to be witnessis as it says in the great commsion and we are meant to be the light and salt of the world (matt 5:13) how can we do it if we're dead

2when we are thinking suicide we are thinking about our selves, about the pain WE go through, about how people hate US. when we do this we are thinking upon ourselves and our own comfort. we are not to worry about our own comfort we are to keep our eyes firmly fixed on Jesus not our selves. As we learn from peter.
As the scriptures say Romans 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs— heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

3The main argument that is said is that it is a chemical imbalance in our brane so there for we will go to heaven because it is not our own fault. should we not then pray for healing on this. Is not this sickness a cauze from the Devil and but a wall to prevent us from seeing Jesus (as above)
Is this not a test from God to see if we will still turn to him in the hard times like in the book of JOB.

Futher refrencing see Ephesians 2:10,Romans 12:5, phillipians 2:5,Collosians 4:5
also the book - purpose driven life

i can not see any scripture that backs up the beliefe that suicide is ok

[ZiP]

i don't believe suicide gains you a ticket to hell, it's a sin, but that's all it is, a sin, and if you're Christian God forgives your sins and it's like you go to heaven, so that's pretty much straightforward.

I myself am not very insightful when it comes to suicide though.

[FadedOne]

wow...was this thread ever ressurected o.o

[The Shadow]

i don't believe suicide gains you a ticket to hell, it's a sin, but that's all it is, a sin, and if you're Christian God forgives your sins and it's like you go to heaven, so that's pretty much straightforward.

I myself am not very insightful when it comes to suicide though.

God doesnt forgive sins unless u ask, yet again there is no scripture that backs up suicid. infact it is against the reasoning for suicide.

[The Shadow]

1 if ure just commiting suicide to get to heaven there would be no point of living on earth and we would just be born in heaven we have a purpose as it says in jeremiah
2 if its pain see "point 2" on my reasoning above

just remember God loves you and lets u go through pain so that u may become strong and refined for the day you die. God sent his son for u so that u may have eternal life in unamaginable parradise, is that not worth living for???????

[Ashley]

The Shadow, for future reference there is an edit button to allow you to add on to your posts without double-posting. That would really help us a lot. Secondly, I'm not entirely sure why this thread was resurrected...but let's try not to make the same arguments ad nauseam. If you have something new to add to the conversation, great, but otherwise let's leave this in the archives.