Animals skinned ALIVE in china

[Ryupower]

http://animalsaviors.org/

I read that and I just was so full of utter disgust. How can people treat God's creation like that?

Please, sign this petition to get rid of this madness. I didn't watch the video, the description was graphic enough for me. :/

[beau99]

This is a PETA website.

I do not trust them.

[mysngoeshere56]

This is a PETA website.

I do not trust them.

I've never heard of that, but is that basically something similar to the bonsai kittens and child trader websites?

[Puguni]

Just a note. Bonsai Kittens are fake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonsai_Kitten But you guys probably already knew that, right?

Anyway, yeah. I don't know why you can't kill the animal first and then skin it. It looks much harder otherwise.

[mysngoeshere56]

Just a note. Bonsai Kittens are fake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonsai_Kitten But you guys probably already knew that, right?

Yeah, I knew that - that's why I compared this to them. XD I was wondering if whatever a PETA website was was basically something that was similar to that.

[minakichan]

It's always the Chinese's fault, isn't it. Because the majority of Chinese people skin animals alive and animal cruelty is in their blood-- along with straight black hair, flat noses, and tiny eyes.

Actually, in China, there are some restaurants where you can eat fish while it's still alive-- they grab the head with a wet towel and cook the body in water or oil, then serve-- you can even see the fish breathing as you fork out the flesh and eat it.

Freshest way to eat fish. It's supposed to be delicious. I say "supposed to be" because I've never eaten it. Yum yum.

[CrimsonRyu17]

I watched the vid, and that's pretty messed up. I'm no animal lover or whatever, but it is a LOT easier to skin a dead animal instead of a live one that's squirming around like that.

I may not like PETA, but the video is kind of obvious. The only thing that concerns me is that it's not making any noise, but after it's... yeah, obviously alive.

I'm going to ask my Dad what he thinks before I sign anything, he used to trap and skin animals when he was much younger.

[Jingo Jaden]

Hmmmm, its weird because logic says that would be much less cost efficient. This looks more real, but I think I have seen this video ages ago. That being said, PETA is notorius for misstateing facts. I remember I saw one of their movies regarding animal mistreatment and just about 90% of what they said was either wrong, over-dramatized or overlooked ceartain important points.

Now, since I only see one movie on this I am guessing this is a spesial case seeing this is obviusly not a large scale production section. *Alot of things are big in China as well if you have seen their standard production plants.* Skinning pretty much anything is easier when they are dead. Investigations to cover the overall treatment/production policy would allow this to be much more enlightening. If it turned out that this was a accepted and widely used form of getting the animal fur, then I would sign a petition. Heck, I might even throw in some bucks too. However skinning animals alive does not equal an easier job. Thus I have some problems seeing how this could be standard treatment.

[Stephen]

PETA propaganda. Hooray. I think I will go eat some KFC tonight.

[EricTheFred]

Yeah, I knew that - that's why I compared this to them. XD I was wondering if whatever a PETA website was was basically something that was similar to that.

Because I don't think you got your question answered:

PETA does not do jokes... at least not intentionally. Unlike the Bonsai Kitten and such, which are parody (and hysterical), these guys are dead serious. A great many other people tend to find them very humorous, bordering on pathetic.

PETA = People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals... which sounds very noble and idealistic until you find out how wacked their definition of 'Ethical' can be. Members tend to vary pretty wildly in their personal views, but the more extreme PETA types consider pets to be 'animal slaves', as well as equating the use of eggs, milk, and wool to slavery, and have a tendency to seriously distort scientific evidence in the pursuit of getting the 'truth' out. And they tend to speak of anyone who disagrees with them as being 'brainwashed', or at least, very stupid.

Less extreme types, who are probably the great majority within PETA, are basically your run-of-the-mill Vegans, the sort I can say, "Okay, you have your belief system and I have mine" to, and get along with. But, as in many organizations with radical fringes, the moderates enable the nutcases and reap the reward of getting lumped together with them by association.

[mysngoeshere56]

All right, thanks Eric.

[beau99]

Because I don't think you got your question answered:

PETA does not do jokes... at least not intentionally. Unlike the Bonsai Kitten and such, which are parody (and hysterical), these guys are dead serious. A great many other people tend to find them very humorous, bordering on pathetic.

PETA = People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals... which sounds very noble and idealistic until you find out how wacked their definition of 'Ethical' can be. Members tend to vary pretty wildly in their personal views, but the more extreme PETA types consider pets to be 'animal slaves', as well as equating the use of eggs, milk, and wool to slavery, and have a tendency to seriously distort scientific evidence in the pursuit of getting the 'truth' out. And they tend to speak of anyone who disagrees with them as being 'brainwashed', or at least, very stupid.

Less extreme types, who are probably the great majority within PETA, are basically your run-of-the-mill Vegans, the sort I can say, "Okay, you have your belief system and I have mine" to, and get along with. But, as in many organizations with radical fringes, the moderates enable the nutcases and reap the reward of getting lumped together with them by association.

QFT.

What makes things worse for the average PETA supporter is that they don't know that the money they donate actually goes to terrorist groups like the Animal Liberation Front. When they find that out, they wish they had known the truth.

[Roy Mustang]

Its hard to take Animal Liberation Front seriously, when their mascot is

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Ugh, more PETA business. I wish they could be a more respectable organization.

[Jingo Jaden]

Oh, see you changed your post MSP. Sorry, I thought you actualy meant your first message. XD

[xblack_x_rosesx]

Hmm...

Well, this is off topic, but I'm sorry, how is this any differant from the slaughter of animals in america? Or Canada? Or anywhere?
I've been an active vegetarian for the last couple years of my life, solely because of the cruelty of slaughter, and just because I've never had a taste for meat and for some reason its never appealed to me.

We all know that crazy activists have tried to change this.
And crazy activists will try to change this.

I doubt petitions will do anything, its one of those things that if a person doesn't know the facts, it WILL get blown out of proportion.
This is culture- its how PEOPLE get their living.

I think its wrong, but my opinion really doesnt matter when it comes to the global economy.
This situation, if true, is unfortunate, but seriously.

Think about it.
Use your head and stop acting out on pure "OMGOSH THIS IS HORRIBLE!" emotion.
Just stop and think about it.

[xblack_x_rosesx]

Also, I highly doubt ANY chinese person ever said "Its easier to skin a live warm animal thats convulsing than a dead body"
Seriously.
Thats a paradox for one, and unlikely.

Pigs, cows and lambs are skinned alive every day, probably in a slaughter house a couple districts away from you.

Just cos we think that cats and dogs are adorable and that the chinese are HORRIBLE EVIL PEOPLE for doing this, consider
that a vast population of this earth would consider a cow or pig sacred and would look at us like we're satanic for eating THEM.

Again, I'm a vegetarian, and I'm not trying to be mean here, but seriously.

Cruelty is worldwide, and cruelty is in our nature.
I guarentee this will not change anytime soon.

[Sheenar]

Pigs, cows and lambs are skinned alive every day, probably in a slaughter house a couple districts away from you.

U.S. humane slaughter laws

All animals are required to be rendered senseless and unconscious before any cutting or shackling is done. This is to ensure that the animal does not feel pain.

Just because a handful of plants do not abide by the laws does not mean that all plants are that way --the vast majority have high standards of the humane treatment of the animals. Here's an illustration of the process (very cartoonish, so not graphic).

[Stephen]

I find it cruel to double post, when a simple post edit would have been okay. Think of the poor baby bandwidth.

[xblack_x_rosesx]

U.S. humane slaughter laws

All animals are required to be rendered senseless and unconscious before any cutting or shackling is done. This is to ensure that the animal does not feel pain.

Just because a handful of plants do not abide by the laws does not mean that all plants are that way --the vast majority have high standards of the humane treatment of the animals. Here's an illustration of the process (very cartoonish, so not graphic).

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Good point =]
I'm afraid I missed that, I was just being frantic.

I guess the point I was trying to make was along the lines of, not nessisarily "american slaughterhouses are exactly the same as chinese ones" but more-so to make it more clear that its a world wide thing- and its been going on for a while.
Its improving but there is no way that everyone is ever going to be pleased.

I just think debate over this sort of thing is senseless and just upsets people over something that cannot really be changed =\

[minakichan]

Well, this is off topic, but I'm sorry, how is this any differant from the slaughter of animals in america?

I think the difference brought up here was cruelty versus killing. It's one thing to shoot a man, it's another to skin him alive and then shoot him. I mean, yeah, the end result is the same, but still, yikes. But whatever. I'm not a vegetarian. =/

I asked my dog-eating, chicken-killing-with-her-bare-hands mother who lived in a <s>animal killing machine</s> rural village during her childhood about the subject, and she said the local dog-killer definitely killed the animal first (by hanging). Well, she never actually killed a dog, but in killing chickens (this might not be relevant), she definitely had to slit the throat, drain the blood, and boil it before feathering.

=D

Also:

Just because a handful of plants do not abide by the laws does not mean that all plants are that way

Upon reading this, I had a sudden vision of a potted plant skinning an tabby cat alive.

[Technomancer]

Upon reading this, I had a sudden vision of a potted plant skinning an tabby cat alive.

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