Teenage Girls make Pact to get Pregnant

[Etoh*the*Greato]

Guys starting to sound a lot like Sylvia Browne.

[Prince Asbel]

Just... Wow. So many young girls making a "vow" to get pregnant. All I can gather is that these girls are 1. Just REALLY REALLY REALLY stupid, or 2. Stupid, but desperate because they're environment makes them miserable. The latter is the most likely, so I'd pick that. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in a neighborhood where so many little girls are already pregnant because their life sucked so much it pushed them to this point. Especially encountering one. What could you say to girl who had made such a horrible decision? What would go through your head when you realize that she was carrying a baby at such a young age?

I'm so sorry for these girls. Their lives will be more or less completely ruined, and their reputations will be horribly stained forever.

Oh, and just for the sake of releasing my total can't-believe-it-reaction, WHAT THE HECK?!? :mutter:

[KhakiBlueSocks]

*reads article in shock/awe/horror, shakes head*
This is what happens when you let your daughters see Juno or Knocked up.
Oh, Hollywood, where have thine morals of old gone?

Unless I missed something, the creators of "Juno" or "Knocked Up" didn't force these girls to run out and get pregnant. Instead, this is a clear example of what happens when you don't talk to your kids.

Though, I understand where you're coming from--recently pregnancy has become glamerized by the media. A "baby bump" has become the newest fashion accessory. These girls see the kind of attention it garnishes--the Prada baby bags, the Channel Maternity gowns. What these girls fail to realize is that this isn't Hollywood and that we're only getting part of the story. We don't hear any celebs talk about strech marks, itching, swelling, etc. We don't hear a word about 3, 4, 5 AM feedings. All we hear is:

Jane Doe and her husband John just announced they are expecing their first child...

We caught Jane Doe looking radiant during the 2008 Billboard Awards, sporting a cute little baby bump...

This just in...Jane Doe has just given birth to a beautiful baby boy. Mother and baby are doing just fine.

We hear nothing about what happens in between the lines. If these celebrity types got on TV talking about how rough it is carrying a chid for 9 months, giving birth, and taking care of him/her for the rest of their lives, most young girls will think twice...or hopefully think once and say "no".

I'm so sorry for these girls. Their lives will be more or less completely ruined, and their reputations will be horribly stained forever.

[color=royalblue]I disagree completely. Maybe back in the 1950's, when teenage pregnancy was extremely taboo and the word "pregnancy" wasn't even uttered on TV. We're living in the 21st Century]

[Kat Walker]

Things like this really do demonstrate how unfulfilled people's lives are. Those girls need therapy to say the least.

I never understood the faulty logic of "having kids = someone to love me forever!"

First of all, what a selfish reason to bring a new life into the world. You should only have children because *you* want to share *your* love with *them*. Not because you want to place the burden of your self-validation on another human being.

Second of all, sharing DNA is no guarantee you'll get along. That baby may be adorable right now, but you aren't going to feel too fuzzy about them once they're old enough to talk back and throw temper tantrums. Once they hit the teenage years... forget it.

But then again, these girls sound like the type of vapid mothers who would dote on their kids and spoil them no matter how they behave, effectively raising uncontrollable brats. :\

[uc pseudonym]

Everyone, at least glance at this: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080623/ap_on_re_us/pregnancy_pact
A kitten will die somewhere for every person who posts after me after only reading the opening post.

As for the secondary topic that has come up (Dutch Sheets) I'd ask everyone to make sure they discuss this civilly. I've read one of his books because a family member forced it on me and while I don't like the guy he shouldn't be completely written off as a whackjob.

For those of you who laugh at his position on prayer, what is your answer to the question as to why God doesn't answer millions of sincere prayers? Or for that matter why does God need us to pray at all? I'm not supporting his position by any means, but prayer is a complicated issue. Sheets goes to significant effort to make a biblical argument for his beliefs; he's not just spouting his opinion wildly.

For those of you who don't believe he's real due to his name... seriously, what were his parents thinking? If your last name is "Sheets" you want to name your kids things like John and Sally.

[Kunoichi]

interesting and informative UC....ACK kitty died! >< waaaaaah poor kitty

[ShiroiHikari]

Hmm. I guess we can't say for sure if they really made a pact or not. Still, the spike in pregnancies is alarming.

[Tundrawolf]

More evidence, IMHO, of a country that is falling away from God. I know how it feels to search for love, for something you need so desperately inside. I also know how it feels to be wrong, and looking "All the wrong places"... These girls need God, not just God-but a personal relationship with Him. I do not care if I sound Cliche, because it is the TRUTH. So many people searching, it is truly sad.

[TallHobbit86]

I hope it isn't true as UC's post suggests because that's just bizarre.

[Sheenar]

Things like this do happen --though it is sad. My senior year in high school, 50 girls got pregnant--some dropped out to raise their child and others completed the school year.
I think a large part of it is (as others have said) that these girls are starved for love. They are trying to find their fulfillment and self-worth in either guy after guy or in having a baby.
I have a friend who has been through this --relationship after relationship and she now is a mother --thinking that motherhood would solve her problems and give her what she's seeking.
It all stems from people not seeking their fulfillment in God--they turn to other people, children, or things to fill the void inside.
It's all part of our fallen world --and all the more reason to speak the truth of Christ to them and to show them love--we could be the only people in their lives that show them real, unconditional love.

[Prince Asbel]

[color=royalblue]I disagree completely. Maybe back in the 1950's, when teenage pregnancy was extremely taboo and the word "pregnancy" wasn't even uttered on TV. We're living in the 21st Century]

Yes, you're right. I guess it was too much an emotional response.

[Nate]

These girls need God, not just God-but a personal relationship with Him.

In their defense God isn't any good for physical contact like hugging and kissing. Babies are.

[Sheenar]

In their defense God isn't any good for physical contact like hugging and kissing. Babies are.

I agree. People are made for human contact. I know that sometimes I just need someone with skin on. These girls probably did not get enough of this kind of affection from family/friends, so they're seeking it in children.

[minakichan]

In their defense God isn't any good for physical contact like hugging and kissing. Babies are.

We all know that you don't believe this for a second.

DON'T MISCONSTRUE MY WORDS, you know EXACTLY what I mean.

[Shao Feng-Li]

Didn't they get enough from whatever guy they slept with? And the good for nothing young men...

Oh this country... People have no real foundation anymore.

[Nate]

We all know that you don't believe this for a second.

I do. XD I mean yeah I hate babies, I'm talking about from THEIR point of view, not my own. If I was talking about myself I would have said "hot chicks" instead of babies.

Didn't they get enough from whatever guy they slept with?

If you're just trying to get pregnant, I suppose, there's probably little attachment to whoever impregnates you. They're just a means to an end. Also I think there's a tendency to believe, a guy could leave you at any time, but your kid is more or less forced to be with you at least until they turn 18.

Oh this country...

Yeah, darn you Freedom of Religion! Why couldn't you be more like England and force people to be in a particular church even if they disagree with it? Oh wait, that's why the founders of this country LEFT England, to get away from state-sponsored religion.

Darn you, recorded history, for not letting us make up our own stories about the foundation of this country!

[Kunoichi]

Yeah, darn you Freedom of Religion! Why couldn't you be more like England and force people to be in a particular church even if they disagree with it? Oh wait, that's why the founders of this country LEFT England, to get away from state-sponsored religion.

Darn you, recorded history, for not letting us make up our own stories about the foundation of this country!

I think Shao was more saying it on the grounds of the fact our moral decline seems to be on the rise...though I think we have always been this bad, we just hear it more because of the media or do not hear it depending how you look at it.

It seems our freedom of religion is going down hill anyways. Its not long *although I heard it passed somewhere but I could be mistaken* that a pastor spoke against homosexuality and it is viewed as a hate crime.

[Nate]

I think Shao was more saying it on the grounds of the fact our moral decline seems to be on the rise...

Hmm. If she meant it that way, then I apologize for misunderstanding. The way I saw it though was in the way of "America used to have a strong foundation in God, and now we're falling away and so all this bad stuff is happening."

However the belief that falling away from God is somehow causing this moral decline ignores one important fact. This same kind of thing is happening in the UK, where the Church of England is the official state religion. If a country's foundation in God had any effect, then the UK should be significantly less immoral than us. So then why aren't they?

Also the highest rate of teen pregnancy in the US was in the 1950s. This was before the "free love" era of the 1960s, and was during a time when the US had a much higher "moral foundation."

I think we have always been this bad, we just hear it more because of the media

I think I agree with you, in the older days there just wasn't a way to make news travel so quickly, so if something like this had happened in say, 1930, we wouldn't have heard about it in Virginia.

ALSO please remember uc's post with the article that says this may not have happened anyway.

It seems our freedom of religion is going down hill anyways.

Perhaps, but it shouldn't ever get so bad that we're not allowed to proclaim our faith in God. Remember that Congress shall pass no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion (well, within certain confines obviously). Until the Supreme Court repeals the First Amendment or amends the Constitution in other ways, we'll be okay.

[Prince Asbel]

I think Shao was more saying it on the grounds of the fact our moral decline seems to be on the rise...though I think we have always been this bad, we just hear it more because of the media or do not hear it depending how you look at it.

Quoted for truth. Totally agree.

It seems our freedom of religion is going down hill anyways. Its not long *although I heard it passed somewhere but I could be mistaken* that a pastor spoke against homosexuality and it is viewed as a hate crime.

It's no mistake. It happened. James White, the greatest Christian apologist alive, spoke on that issue in one of his recent podcasts. I can get it if you want to listen to it.

[Kunoichi]

Perhaps, but it shouldn't ever get so bad that we're not allowed to proclaim our faith in God. Remember that Congress shall pass no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion (well, within certain confines obviously). Until the Supreme Court repeals the First Amendment or amends the Constitution in other ways, we'll be okay.

Well Supreme Court seems to have decided to MAKE the laws versus interpert them....considering POW's in Guantanamo now get Habeous Corpus (Sorry horrible spelling lately)....and not to mention they overrode Congress and the President...not sure how that happened but again this is my own opinion and do no seek a debate if this was too political...

[mechana2015]

Oh this country... People have no real foundation anymore.

Because a bunch of girls in a small town in a single state define how the whole country is going...

[Nate]

Well Supreme Court seems to have decided to MAKE the laws versus interpert them...

No, they're interpreting. The only time they make laws is if a situation comes up where no previous law exists. For example they get to make laws regarding the internet, simply because in the 1800s no internet existed, so there's no previous laws to apply to it.

And even then they still look and see if anything could set a precedent for how to make this new law.

considering POW's in Guantanamo now get Habeous Corpus

And rightfully so, considering that they are human just as we are. There's a quote that's applicable here. "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster." The terrorists are monsters because they have no regard for human life and treat others that they hate like insects. If we too treat our enemies in the same manner, how are we better than they? On what moral ground do we have to stand if we torture them and detain them unlawfully?

not to mention they overrode Congress and the President...not sure how that happened

It happened because of a little thing called "Checks and Balances." The Supreme Court exists to make sure the President and Congress cannot arbitrarily pass laws that are unconstitutional or illegal. Otherwise those two branches could pass any sort of laws that trample on our freedoms and we wouldn't have any protection.

[Radical Dreamer]

Simmer down on the politics thing guys; make sure this doesn't become a debate. XD

[Tsukuyomi]

I remember me and my girls talking about having kids at the same time when we were little kids, but that was just kidding around and whatnot It's not like I'm gonna go out and get knocked up for reals just for that o.O

[Kunoichi]

I have my own disagreement and rebuttal to what your response Nate but i will just agree to disagree on this matter and call it closed as I'm digressing from the original point of this thread in the first place.

[Tsukuyomi]

I wonder how I would be like as a mother o.O?

Not that I'm gonna go out and get pregnant just for the sake of find out or anything, but parenthood is a HUGE thing, ne?

[Kunoichi]

You know you would be awesome sis! ^_^

[Kunoichi]

You know you would be awesome sis! ^_^

BTW follow up article that a teen mom from this highschool is interviewed. Interesting!

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/25279403/?GT1=43001

[Tsukuyomi]

You know you would be awesome sis! ^_^

Awww, thanks Kelly

I don't have my own kids, but I've seen what happens when you do have kids. You do basically lose your freedom to go out and stuff like that. Not forever, but for quite a while o.O

You lose a lot but also gain a lot ^^

[Etoh*the*Greato]

It's a trade-off - a different phase of your life. You have to lose one to gain the other, and vice versa.