Vegetarians and Vegans

[Sheenar]

And as far as how horses are treated for slaughter and estrogen replacement? Don't get me started.

Horses can no longer be slaughtered in the U.S.
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I agree about turkeys though -the fact that they've been bread for larger chests and can no longer breed naturally but only through AI. But some people are still breeding the traditional turkeys.

A lot of the videos people find online such as "Meet Your Meat" are the exception rather than the rule. I am an animal science major at my college and when we process animals for meat, there are very stringent humane laws we absolutely must follow. I won't go into all of them --but the main one is all animals must be rendered senseless before we even do anything else --that way they feel no pain. If done properly, the animal is unconscious and feels nothing.
The few plants that do not treat their animals humanely are again, the exception --not the rule. Not all plants treat the animals badly.

Just wanted to clear that up...

I admit fully that eating meat isn't exactly the healthiest thing to do.

Meat is the only natural source for many of the B vitamins (including Vitamin B-12).
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Edit: None of this is directed at you, Doubleshadow. I think you are doing a good thing for yourself. Just be sure to supplement your diet with the right vitamins.
This was mainly directed at those who made comments about cruelty in agriculture.

[Nate]

[Yuen Fei Lung]

Good luck to you, Doubleshadow. Not eating meat for me would be nearly impossible since I'm a huge fan of chicken and ground beef but I think with the right vitamins, eating vegan could be really healthy. I can't say I've ever tried it but I have friends who have done it.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

I think all vegetarians/vegans should be forced to eat just meat and everybody else should be forced to eat anything but meat/animal-stuffs.

YEAH! D8

[Tsukuyomi]

I think all vegetarians/vegans should be forced to eat just meat and everybody else should be forced to eat anything but meat/animal-stuffs.

YEAH! D8

NOT YEAH DX

You should try Papaya Salad 8D Tis so yummy and I heard it's very healthy ^^ Just make sure whomever makes it.. doesn't make it too spicy ^^

[Sheenar]

NOT YEAH DX

You should try Papaya Salad 8D Tis so yummy and I heard it's very healthy ^^ Just make sure whomever makes it.. doesn't make it too spicy ^^

Portabello mushroom hamburgers are amazing too. My friend made one for me once --you grill the Portabello mushroom and put it on a bun instead of hamburger meat. Tastes delicious. I actually hated mushrooms before I ate this --completely changed my opinion of the little fungi.

[animewarrior]

American mustangs and various horses without buyers such as race horses and draft horses are shipped to and slaughtered in Canada

I didn't know that >,< (lives in Canada).... however I can say that I've had ostrich meat.... yummy!... err sorry thread is for vegetarians... and I think that what you want to with your diet is fine DoubleShadow as long as you stay healthy...XD Hope you enjoy your new diet!

[animewarrior]

I think all vegetarians/vegans should be forced to eat just meat and everybody else should be forced to eat anything but meat/animal-stuffs.

YEAH! D8

Does that mean people who eat both meat and vegetables should be starved just to know how it feels? O_o

(XD lolz)

***Sorry for the Double Posting... ^^'***

[Tsukuyomi]

Does that mean people who eat both meat and vegetables should be starved just to know how it feels? O_o

(XD lolz)

***Sorry for the Double Posting... ^^'***

Lulz, that's pretty funny XDD

I hardly eat, so it'll be ok ^^

Sooooo j/k right there o_o Just because I don't eat a lot doesn't mean I don't want to eat at all

[Yuen Fei Lung]

Portabello mushroom hamburgers are amazing too. My friend made one for me once --you grill the Portabello mushroom and put it on a bun instead of hamburger meat. Tastes delicious. I actually hated mushrooms before I ate this --completely changed my opinion of the little fungi.

Portabello mushroom hamburgers huh? I'm going to have to try this. Do you still put mustard and ketchup on the burgers?

[Sheenar]

Portabello mushroom hamburgers huh? I'm going to have to try this. Do you still put mustard and ketchup on the burgers?

No, it was just the mushroom and the bun. Doesn't really need any condiments...tastes good as it is.

[Stephen]

I'd eat a horse burger. Probably some A1 on it. Ka-kow.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

NOT YEAH DX

We should! That way, we're all miserable. =)

[Tsukuyomi]

We should! That way, we're all miserable. =)

Awwwww, how's sweet that you would think of everyone like that =D

[termyt]

Meat is the only natural source for many of the B vitamins (including Vitamin B-12).

Vegans won't take vitamins for this reason - many are produced using animal products, which violates their veganness.

Although they do eat vegetables, most of which are grown using animals and animal products for labor and fertilization, though.

Humans enslave bees not just for honey but also to pollinate crops. Even (and especially) the all natural foods take advantage of forced bee labor to pollinate the plants.

In my mind, it's all a question of where on the slippery slope you want to stand. I prefer to be near the bottom (I love veal), vegans prefer near the top (avoiding as much animal enslavement as possible), but we are all still on the slope.

[Etoh*the*Greato]

I think what it all comes down to is that no matter what you do, a living organism has to die in order to keep you going. It all depends on how much personality you're willing to stand that organism having.

[Stephen]

I give this thread 24 hours before Nate posts a picture of a Hamdog.

[Doubleshadow]

Vegans won't take vitamins for this reason - many are produced using animal products, which violates their veganness.

Although they do eat vegetables, most of which are grown using animals and animal products for labor and fertilization, though.

Humans enslave bees not just for honey but also to pollinate crops. Even (and especially) the all natural foods take advantage of forced bee labor to pollinate the plants.

In my mind, it's all a question of where on the slippery slope you want to stand. I prefer to be near the bottom (I love veal), vegans prefer near the top (avoiding as much animal enslavement as possible), but we are all still on the slope.

Bingo. This is why I came a vegan for health reasons rather than ethical ones even though they're on my mind (you better believe I'm taking my vitamins). The most extreme application of vegan philosophy is a fruititarian, which is a person who only eats fruits, nuts, and seeds, and then only after they have fallen from the plant to prevent harm to the plant. Ghandi and his followers tried this until they figured out you couldn't, you know, survive this way and quit. There is veganic farming, by the way.

[Nate]

Humans enslave bees not just for honey but also to pollinate crops. Even (and especially) the all natural foods take advantage of forced bee labor to pollinate the plants.

YEAH I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT. I was like, wait, if vegans won't eat anything produced by an animal, then they can't eat a lot of plants because bees pollinate the flowers, and therefore they are produced by the bee, therefore their whole lifestyle comes crashing down in a barrage of facts. XD

[Mr. SmartyPants]

How the heck do you "force" a bee to pollinate crops? Don't they just do it naturally?

It's like... forcing Nate to drink Mountain Dew... he just does it naturally, so you're not really forcing him.

[FukuokaGirl]

Hey Doubleshadow!
Do you like stuffed peppers?? I have an awesome recipe for them!!!
XD

[Tsukuyomi]

Hey Doubleshadow!
Do you like stuffed peppers?? I have an awesome recipe for them!!!
XD

Oooooooooh, I love your avy, Fuku <333

I mean, I love stuffed peppers ^^ My mom used to make them all the time ^^ They were really hot/spicy, because the peppers she used to make them with were spicy =P

[Yuen Fei Lung]

No, it was just the mushroom and the bun. Doesn't really need any condiments...tastes good as it is.

So just cook it up on the grill, add the bun and serve? That's it? I think I can do that.

[Warrior4Christ]

Honestly, though, by Biblical standards, it is not amoral to eat meat, so being told it is amoral (which many vegans do) contradicts scripture.

Ah, but it is though!

http://www.jesusveg.com/index2.html

Meat is the only natural source for many of the B vitamins (including Vitamin B-12).

Not true. I just checked the packet of mushrooms in the fridge, which told me mushrooms are a source of vitamins in the B group, including B12.

[Radical Dreamer]

Ah, but it is though!

http://www.jesusveg.com/index2.html

Honestly I find that link pretty offensive. I'm pretty sure that defending a normal diet as "not sinful" is one of the most unnecessary things ever, but just in case...

"Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for 'The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it.'"
--1 Corinthians 10:25-26, NIV.

Seriously. Saying all Christians "should be vegetarians" is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. XD

[Tsukuyomi]

I'm not a huge fan of mushrooms, but they're good ^^ I like them on shiskabob (sp) and on my pizzzzzzza ^__^

[ShiroiHikari]

That link does not provide any concrete proof that God mandates veganism. There's plenty of proof in the Bible, however, that he's okay with people eating meat and animal products.

1 Corinthians 10:25-26: Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."

The only meat the New Testament says not to eat is meat that has been offered in sacrifice. Even the Old Testament says that certain animals (meat) are okay to eat, but not others, for health reasons. Eating pigs, for example, was filthy and unsanitary in those times, so that's why it says not to eat them.

OH SNAP I took too long. You beat me, Corrie. XD

[chibiphonebooth]

Honestly I find that link pretty offensive. I'm pretty sure that defending a normal diet as "not sinful" is one of the most unnecessary things ever, but just in case...

"Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, for 'The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it.'"
--1 Corinthians 10:25-26, NIV.

Seriously. Saying all Christians "should be vegetarians" is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. XD

I AM A SINNER CAUSE I EAT THE FLESH OF MAMMALS.

[Sheenar]

Not true. I just checked the packet of mushrooms in the fridge, which told me mushrooms are a source of vitamins in the B group, including B12.

Quotes taken from The Vegetarian Society website:


"The only reliable unfortified sources of vitamin B12 are meat, dairy products and eggs."

" The current nutritional consensus is that no plant foods can be relied on as a safe source of vitamin B12."

In order for vegans to get enough B12 in their diet, they have to eat foods fortified with it. No plant is a natural source of sufficient B12. So the mushrooms most likely had B12 added to it --but are not of themselves a good source of B12.

[Fish and Chips]

Ah, but it is though!

http://www.jesusveg.com/index2.html

Except that it totally isn't at all.
[quote="Acts 10:9-13"]The next day, as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. And he became hungry and wanted something to eat, but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance and saw the heavens opened and something like a great sheet descending, being let down by its four corners upon the earth. In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter]