Here we go again--Woman pregnant with 18th Child

[Mr. SmartyPants]

While I don't agree with this-- I'm sure that there are plenty of content couples who are physically unable or unwilling, for whatever reason, to have sex (like... old people!), I think it raises the point that a couple who does not want to have kids should not be barred from sex. Some people say that sex should only be used with the aim of reproduction because that was its purpose, but what about infertile/sterile couples? Should they be barred from making love just because they can't spawn off offspring?

I'm saying all of this despite the fact that, as some people know, I don't believe in sex.

...That's right. I don't believe it exists.

But that usually requires both parties to have virtually no desire for sex.

Such things are kind of rare.

[Tsukuyomi]

But that usually requires both parties to have virtually no desire for sex.

Such things are kind of rare.

True, but I'm sure it's possible ^__^ Yet again, it would be rare like you had just said. Especially, in this day in age o.o I know that's not really an excuse, but you have to admit.. A lot has changed u_u

[uc pseudonym]

I understand what you are saying, and this is a good point. However, I don't think that the families are to blame as much as corrupt governments and renegade groups, such as those in Africa, who hoard resources and even steal the provisions that other countries give in aid. I would also imagine that birth control is not readily available in these places. They are in a difficult position, whether they have large families or not, and it's hard to understand what it's like. I can't rightfully say that I would behave differently than they would for sure.

I in no way intend to blame the families. Nate captured my intent fairly accurately:

I might be completely wrong (and probably am, we'll have to wait until uc posts again), but I think what he's addressing here is the people that are saying birth control is wrong because it's against God's will. Thus, in places like Africa, if we assume birth control is sinful and wrong, is it really God's will for children to die constantly of malnutrition or for parents to literally work themselves to death to feed their kids, rather than wear a condom or take a pill?

There are some areas of the world where it is completely impossible to support a large number of children, no matter how selfless the parents act. In fact, there are Christian organizations who consider it part of their mission to spread information about birth control in order to improve the living conditions of the inhabitants.

Children and parents living in such poverty and dying like that are only the symptoms of the problems in these countries. Birth control is like a band-aid over a gang-greened gunshot wound.

People like the above would propose a different metaphor: birth control is like not shooting them again.

[Tsukuyomi]

It's true, you can't really blame the families. Not without being in their shoes. I haven't lived in a third world country, but I have been to one. There's no such things as clinics or hospitals in most areas. It's hard to get to one, and even if they did. Do you think they'd have the money to afford this or that treatment o.o?

[minakichan]

But that usually requires both parties to have virtually no desire for sex.

Such things are kind of rare.

Yeah, I hear you, but I'm just saying that it's possible (think of people who physically are incapable of it, for example). Also, uh, the old people thing was a joke, but at the same time, I dunno =/ My mom has been sleeping in a room on the opposite end of the house from my dad for like, 10 years or something, because she can't stand his snoring, so uh... er... you can guess what conclusion I came to as a result.

That wasn't awkward at all, nope.

[Tsukuyomi]

Yeah, I hear you, but I'm just saying that it's possible (think of people who physically are incapable of it, for example). Also, uh, the old people thing was a joke, but at the same time, I dunno =/ My mom has been sleeping in a room on the opposite end of the house from my dad for like, 10 years or something, because she can't stand his snoring, so uh... er... you can guess what conclusion I came to as a result.

That wasn't awkward at all, nope.

That's how my parents were for a while too o.o; I'm not sure, but is that just an Asian thing o.o? Lol, it's a really weird subject *Falls out of chair laughing* XDDD

[Etoh*the*Greato]

Yeah, I hear you, but I'm just saying that it's possible (think of people who physically are incapable of it, for example). Also, uh, the old people thing was a joke, but at the same time, I dunno =/ My mom has been sleeping in a room on the opposite end of the house from my dad for like, 10 years or something, because she can't stand his snoring, so uh... er... you can guess what conclusion I came to as a result.

That wasn't awkward at all, nope.

Oh, Oh I know it was a joke. My fiancee worked in a Nursing home for a long time. They're just uh... Hah. Rabbits come to mind.

[Tsukuyomi]

Oh, Oh I know it was a joke. My fiancee worked in a Nursing home for a long time. They're just uh... Hah. Rabbits come to mind.

*Walks into a wall* I-I didn't have to read that, but I did. Therefore, I can't unread it @___@;

Lol, that was a pretty funny way of putting it, Eto XDD

[AsianBlossom]

[quote="Tsukuyomi (post: 1225693)"]That's how my parents were for a while too o.o]

Sorry, just had to comment on this:

No, spouses sleeping in different quarters because of things like snoring is actually quite common among many couples, not just Asian. In fact, there was a story about it on the news saying things like houses with extra bedrooms either added or separated beds in the master suite were becoming popular. Kind of hearkens back to the old television days, right? Like "I Love Lucy" where Lucy and Ricky both had their own twin (I think) size bed.

Sorry, just wanted to say that.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Yeah, I hear you, but I'm just saying that it's possible (think of people who physically are incapable of it, for example). Also, uh, the old people thing was a joke, but at the same time, I dunno =/ My mom has been sleeping in a room on the opposite end of the house from my dad for like, 10 years or something, because she can't stand his snoring, so uh... er... you can guess what conclusion I came to as a result.

That wasn't awkward at all, nope.

My mom and dad did the same. She even gave the exact same reason.

Turns out that her reason was a lie. They actually really didn't like each other.

[Tsukuyomi]

Sorry, just had to comment on this:

No, spouses sleeping in different quarters because of things like snoring is actually quite common among many couples, not just Asian. In fact, there was a story about it on the news saying things like houses with extra bedrooms either added or separated beds in the master suite were becoming popular. Kind of hearkens back to the old television days, right? Like "I Love Lucy" where Lucy and Ricky both had their own twin (I think) size bed.

Sorry, just wanted to say that.

No no, not at all ^^ It does make you think back to that show though ^^ The two twin size beds

My mom and dad did the same. She even gave the exact same reason.

Turns out that her reason was a lie. They actually really didn't like each other.

Just like the cake o.o?

Sorry, I couldn't help myself ^__^;

Same with my parents. They went though a very tough rough patch o.o They're better now, but at times they still do sleep in separate rooms due to aches and pains and the snoring ^__^;

[Doubleshadow]

I declare this The Thread of Many Topics.

And my dad snores so loudly I hear him through the floor.

[Etoh*the*Greato]

Sorry, just had to comment on this:

No, spouses sleeping in different quarters because of things like snoring is actually quite common among many couples, not just Asian. In fact, there was a story about it on the news saying things like houses with extra bedrooms either added or separated beds in the master suite were becoming popular. Kind of hearkens back to the old television days, right? Like "I Love Lucy" where Lucy and Ricky both had their own twin (I think) size bed.

Sorry, just wanted to say that.

Well, those guys had their own beds but that was hardly the common practice. Actually the only reason things were like that is because TV execs were nervous about implying that Ricky and Lucy might be having (oh noes!) sex. But then... where did lil ricky come from?

[LadyRushia]

Yeah, the two beds had to do with censorship regulation codes. Married people had to have two separate beds, kisses were only allowed to be three seconds long, and there was absolutely no cursing allowed.

My my how times have changed.

I declare this The Thread of Many Topics.

And it shall be known as such henceforth.

[AsianBlossom]

Okay, I'm back. But at least the many topics break up any tension.

And speaking of TV regulation codes, did you all know that Leave It to Beaver was the first television show to actually show a toilet? o.o Oh, horrors!

And the first couple to be shown on TV in the same bed was Fred and Wilma Flintstone. I think.

[minakichan]

And the first couple to be shown on TV in the same bed was Fred and Wilma Flintstone. I think.

Scandalous!!

My mom and dad did the same. She even gave the exact same reason.

Turns out that her reason was a lie. They actually really didn't like each other.

O-oh... but it really applies in my mom's case, methinks. Whenever we have a lot of guests over, my family has to sleep in the same room, but sleep NEVER happens.

Wow, that was really relevant to the 18-child woman topic.

[Fish and Chips]

Question to those among you adamantly against birth control.

Both me and my sister were problematic pregnancies for our mother. We came out fine, both Cesarean. But the doctor told my mother she might not survive a third pregnancy. So my parents decided two children was enough and my mom had her tubes tied off. This is arguably a form of birth control, and a drastic one at that.

Is this so evil? Is this flat out immoral and wrong? I strongly beg to differ.

I might be persuaded to bring biology into this, but I have a feeling this'll send the thread into a flaming tailspin of death, so pass.

[Tsukuyomi]

Question to those among you adamantly against birth control.

Both me and my sister were problematic pregnancies for our mother. We came out fine, both Cesarean. But the doctor told my mother she might not survive a third pregnancy. So my parents decided two children was enough and my mom had her tubes tied off. This is arguably a form of birth control, and a drastic one at that.

Is this so evil? Is this flat out immoral and wrong? I strongly beg to differ.

I might be persuaded to bring biology into this, but I have a feeling this'll send the thread into a flaming tailspin of death since the truth has a nasty habit of offending people, so pass.

I don't think it is o.o It is in a way birth control, but then again it was for your mom's health o.o I'm sure she thought it through thoroughly ^^ It kinda goes along with taking chances, but I can see why she didn't want to

Honestly, if I had to make that kind of decision when I already had two kids.. I would do the same thing O_O

*Goes into Mother Mode* ^_^

[Etoh*the*Greato]

It is totally birth control, though.

[Nate]

I'm saying all of this despite the fact that, as some people know, I don't believe in sex.

...That's right. I don't believe it exists.

You're baiting me to get a strike, aren't you? I'm sure of it now. >.>

[minakichan]

You're baiting me to get a strike, aren't you? I'm sure of it now. >.>

(o.o) I haven't the foggiest notion what you are talking about.

¬____¬;;;;;;;;;

=D?

[Nate]

OH I THINK YOU KNOW. D:<

xp

[OhElk]

Her womb must be screaming.

[Fish and Chips]

I'm saying all of this despite the fact that, as some people know, I don't believe in sex.

...That's right. I don't believe it exists.

What.

[Gabriel 9.0]

My best friend is married and uses birth control o.o She feels they're not financially set/secured (or however you want to put it) to support a family ^__^ Is that wrong of her? I'm not speaking for everyone, but I think she's being very responsible Not just saying that because she's my best friend either

I was referring to that its best to remain a virgin until God guides a person to the person he/she is going to marry.

As for birth control , I'm not really going to comment on it atm.
I will say its wise to raise a child in a family when the parents are strong in Jesus and financially secure .

[Etoh*the*Greato]

Ah, but Gabe! Didn't you know? Children can lead to being financially secure!

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This post was intended for parody purposes only. I did not direct this as an insult at anyone and everyone knows children are one of the worst investments you can make. Right behind cars.[/SIZE]

[Syreth]

I in no way intend to blame the families. Nate captured my intent fairly accurately:

Sorry about the misunderstanding. I should have looked at the context of your post more closely. And thanks, Nate, for trying to explain it to me.

[ShiroiHikari]

Question to those among you adamantly against birth control.

Both me and my sister were problematic pregnancies for our mother. We came out fine, both Cesarean. But the doctor told my mother she might not survive a third pregnancy. So my parents decided two children was enough and my mom had her tubes tied off. This is arguably a form of birth control, and a drastic one at that.

Is this so evil? Is this flat out immoral and wrong? I strongly beg to differ.

I might be persuaded to bring biology into this, but I have a feeling this'll send the thread into a flaming tailspin of death, so pass.

This is a good point that hadn't been brought up yet. I've known of some women who had endometriosis (look it up; I won't explain here), and that makes it very difficult to have children. So after they have kids, they usually get a hysterectomy. Is that so wrong?

Also, what about like, PCOS? I know a lot of women that have this, which makes it nearly impossible to conceive. Does that mean they can't have sex within their marriage since it doesn't make babies when they do? I think not.

I think that regarding sex as nothing more than a baby-making tool can create some serious problems. Sure, there are some couples that can do without sex, but the majority of them need it for a healthy marriage. Asking people to not have sex just because they don't want any babies yet is out of line, if you ask me.

[Nate]

I was thinking along the same lines, Nette. If the purpose of sex is ONLY to have children and nothing else, and therefore you shouldn't have sex if there is no chance of having children, then that means that guys who are sterile and women who are barren are required to remain single their entire lives.

And that's messed up.

[AsianBlossom]

Hadn't brought that up yet. Yes, sex is more than just a way to bring new life into the world; it's also a special type of love shared by a husband and wife. To say that they couldn't have sex because conceiving children is impossible would be silly. Sorry if any of what I said made it sound like I didn't mean this.

But a married couple, when sharing this love, should keep in mind that there is the possibility God could bless that particular union and they will end up having a child. To me, birth control is not trusting God and taking what God is supposed to be in charge of into our own hands.

I heard an interesting story recently, involving St. Pio. A woman once went to him in confession and told him she didn't want to have any more children, as she already had four (and I think it was that she couldn't afford to raise any more than those), and I think she was considering some form of birth control. Furious, St. Pio ordered her to leave the confessional--obviously not the normal course of the Sacrament of Reconciliation. She did, in tears, and went to the other part of the church, where she wept some more. A while later, a priest came looking for her, and told her that St. Pio wished to see her. He let her touch his glove, gave it to her to keep, and she never had any more children.

Take it as you will, but the woman is still alive and lives in Florida. Anyways, I find it interesting that this topic starts up and the first thought on everyone's mind is birth control. What's with that? Just because a woman has been blessed with so many children? What ever happened to, "Wow, it's amazing that they're able to pull it off, and with a disciplined household as well." Just wondering.


*puts up shield...knows she's going to get hurt* *gets idea* *calls Luffy over* *hands Luffy shield* *Luffy tries to eat shield* *smacks Luffy*

Sorry...went on a roll there and couldn't stop. ^_^U