Here we go again--Woman pregnant with 18th Child

[Shao Feng-Li]

Only a few forms of birth control are anything even remotely resembling dangerous. The most birth control will usually do to a woman is give them unusual mood swings.

Well, that's good.

If I never have sex, I will never have a child, and God cannot "will" otherwise.

Then it was His will that you wouldn't have a child.

[Sheenar]

Keep in mind not all birth controls are equal. If you take it before the act (such as something you need to stay on a monthly basis with) it is generally something that acts to prevent conception. That's not the same as the "baby killin'" drugs that you take afterwards.

Birth control consists of two things. I'm not arguing right or wrong, that's not what I'm here for but I want to make sure that people know the differences between the parts of "birth control." For the sake of this exercise I've invented words that I would like everyone to adopt because I enjoy having power over people's actions and never really got to start a fad before (Ok, so everyone on my college campus is using a Mac, and I was the first, but I'm really still not sure if that was me).

You've got your Premies which come before hand. They actively prevent conception.
Then you've got what I affectionately call the Posties which terminate an existing conception - whether that conception has gotten to what we'd usually call a pregnancy or not. The morning after pills are meant to flush your system of anything that might potentially be a fertilized egg.

But the Pill can cause an abortion in some cases because it affects the lining of the uterus and some women still ovulate on the Pill. The Pill prevents the embryo from implanting in the uterus.
http://www.pfli.org/faq_oc.html

[Nate]

I'm not trying to argue with you because you have a right whether or not you want kids or not,but why do you hate kids?

Loud. Annoying. Smelly. Ugly. And I realize I'm not smart in the least but there's a certain baseline level of intelligence I desire when I talk to someone. Children do not have this.

Nate just hated himself as a child.

What do you mean "as a child?" o.o I wasn't aware my self-hatred ever stopped.

"And a happy man is one who has a full quiver."

*This joke was Fish's idea.*

I like this verse because it implies that we're shooting babies out of a bow.

[Shao Feng-Li]

Nate, you can't generalize all kids like that... Some of them- SOME- are actually well behaved and smell nice... not the boys so much, but grown men don't always have a pleasing aroma XD

What do you mean "as a child?" o.o I wasn't aware my self-hatred ever stopped.

I just got scolded...

*This joke was Fish's idea.*

I like this verse because it implies that we're shooting babies out of a bow.

And I am in stitches.

[Cognitive Gear]

18 children is crazy. I come from what is considered a big family where I live (four children, two parents) and I can't imagine how anymore than six children would be a good thing in this day and age. There is already so little time in the day for families to spend together, and the larger it is the less attention there is to go around. A child or two is bound to get ignored with this many.

Or just forget the stupid birth control all together...

There's just... no biblical warrant whatsoever for it...

This is theological debate bait if I've ever seen it. Can we keep these comments to ourselves, please?

But the Pill can cause an abortion in some cases because it affects the lining of the uterus and some women still ovulate on the Pill. The Pill prevents the embryo from implanting in the uterus.
http://www.pfli.org/faq_oc.html

It should also be noted that this occasionally happens naturally, with or without the pill.

[Maledicte]

Loud. Annoying. Smelly. Ugly. And I realize I'm not smart in the least but there's a certain baseline level of intelligence I desire when I talk to someone. Children do not have this.

Okay, that's a bit low. It's not always the child's fault that they are dumb, but the people raising them. I have two little cousins who are extremely intelligent for their age--one of them is two years old, speaks in complete sentences and can color-coordinate her mom's outfits. Both children are reasonably more intelligent, humble, and sweet than adults I have seen while at the supermarket.

Just because one child is a drooling, poorly-cared for creature who had the misfortune of being the recipient of unattractive genes, does not mean that all of them are.

[Shao Feng-Li]

It's the smart and intelligent ones you gotta watch out for...

[Gabriel 9.0]

Okay, that's a bit low. It's not always the child's fault that they are dumb, but the people raising them. I have two little cousins who are extremely intelligent for their age--one of them is two years old, speaks in complete sentences and can color-coordinate her mom's outfits. Both children are reasonably more intelligent, humble, and sweet than adults I have seen while at the supermarket.

Just because one child is a drooling, poorly-cared for creature who had the misfortune of being the recipient of unattractive genes, does not mean that all of them are.

I agree.

On the subject that's really something that she bore that many children. Wow.

[Shao Feng-Li]

I agree.

On the subject that's really something that she bore that many children. Wow.

My mom has four kids. She says it gets easier with each one.

[ShiroiHikari]

All I'm going to say is that I intend to use some form of non-abortive birth control when I get married, and there's nothing anybody can say to convince me that I'd go to hell for it.

Oh and also, I thought Onan was punished because he directly disobeyed God, not because he shot it out on the ground. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Cognitive Gear]

My mom has four kids. She says it gets easier with each one.

I would guess that this varies. My mother bore four of us and each child had a different difficulty level. Apparently I was the easiest, and my younger brother was the most difficult.

[Shao Feng-Li]

I hope no one thinks you'd go to Hell for it...

Ahh. Probably does vary then XD

[Gabriel 9.0]

My mom has four kids. She says it gets easier with each one.

That's good, my mother originally had three other children aside from me and my brother.

I see nothing bad about the woman having that many kids.

[Nate]

Some of them- SOME- are actually well behaved and smell nice...

I have yet to see a single baby that doesn't cry or poop themselves.

It's not always the child's fault that they are dumb, but the people raising them.

I'm not saying that they're dumb. I refrained from using "dumb" or "stupid" for that reason. What I meant was that they're not fully mentally developed yet and that rubs me the wrong way for whatever reason. Someone tried to get me to amuse their kids by playing a game of Uno at church, and let me just say that it frustrated me because none of them would follow the rules and it's not like I could yell at them.

I suppose I could yell at my own kids though. That'd be an advantage. But then they'd probably hate me. Of course the feeling would be mutual, but...still.

[Shao Feng-Li]

I have yet to see a single baby that doesn't cry or poop themselves.

...

No... No, I can't... say it...

(And, they aren't supposed to stay stinker for too long...)

And yes. Playing a game with rules with little kids in a pain in the butt. DON'T BOTHER.

You might feel different about your kids. Because, they'd be your dang kids, not someone else's dang kids. I often dislike other people's kids... At least at my job right now...

[Etoh*the*Greato]

Something I'd also like to bring up is the risk you are bringing to your child and yourself having pregnancies late in life. Medical science has come a long way, but I would still say it's irresponsible to bring a child in to the world intentionally past age 40. You're running heavy risks by 36.

[minakichan]

You might feel different about your kids. Because, they'd be your dang kids, not someone else's dang kids. I often dislike other people's kids...

Haha, it's the opposite with me; I love kids, but I know that if I had any, I would probably like them less. Probably goes hand in hand with being Asian... and female, and therefore a potential Asian Mom.

You're running heavy risks by 36.

Hmmm, my mom had my little brother when she was 37...

... wait, that explains everything!

I guess it's harder if your parents (like mine) are late bloomers =/ But adoption is a great alternative imo...

[Etoh*the*Greato]

The pregnancies become harder and you run greater and greater risks of danger to the child the older you get by that point. By 41 you're seriously playing with fire.

[Tsukuyomi]

I hope no one thinks you'd go to Hell for it...

I'd say birth control is better then getting pregnant, and then getting it aborted >_>

[Shao Feng-Li]

I'd say birth control is better then getting pregnant, and then getting it aborted >_>

I kinda feel that way too.

[Etoh*the*Greato]

The major issue I have with Abortion is abortion as a form of birth control. It infuriates me, and strikes me as being heavily selfish.

[Shao Feng-Li]

Out right murder as a form of birth control?

The idea of it makes me ill... (The footage I saw a while back still makes me ill... I just busted into crying.)

[Gabriel 9.0]

Its best to do your best of your ability to serve God and wait until marriage imo.

[Sheenar]

Only a few forms of birth control are anything even remotely resembling dangerous. The most birth control will usually do to a woman is give them unusual mood swings.

Mostly true, but many birth control pills carry an increased risk of blood clotting (which is why my doctor wanted to make sure I was recovered enough from surgery first before I go on it for my acne/menstrual problems...I'm still a little scared to take it...but I've tried everything else.)

I'd just rather stick to natural family planning as a method of birth control. No risk of anything breaking and you getting pregnant or of a pill causing adverse reactions/effects.

Still, if I can have children, they will be a blessing--even if they're not exactly planned.

And I agree with the increased risks with increased age --the risk for Downs and other disorders increase with age--though even Downs children have a purpose and are a blessing to be around (I've worked with Autistic/Downs/CP kids at camp).

[ShiroiHikari]

The pregnancies become harder and you run greater and greater risks of danger to the child the older you get by that point. By 41 you're seriously playing with fire.

My mother had me at 38 and had a very, very hard time of it. She had a diabetic pregnancy and I was 10 pounds when I came out. I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Then again, I'm the most normal child she had. One of my older sisters is deaf and blind and the other came out with the cord wrapped around her neck and has always been a little slow.

Also, I don't want to be 60 when my kids are 20 if I can help it.

[Etoh*the*Greato]

Mostly true, but many birth control pills carry an increased risk of blood clotting (which is why my doctor wanted to make sure I was recovered enough from surgery first before I go on it for my acne/menstrual problems...I'm still a little scared to take it...but I've tried everything else.)

I'd just rather stick to natural family planning as a method of birth control. No risk of anything breaking and you getting pregnant or of a pill causing adverse reactions/effects.

Still, if I can have children, they will be a blessing--even if they're not exactly planned.

And I agree with the increased risks with increased age --the risk for Downs and other disorders increase with age--though even Downs children have a purpose and are a blessing to be around (I've worked with Autistic/Downs/CP kids at camp).

And on that note I'd like to point out the wonderful surgical options available! Yeah, it may not be 100% with women, but it is with us guys! I'm told it's a minimal loss of sex life too.

Shiroi - My Dad is actually in that age range for me. Mom's ten years younger than him, though, and he's been married twice before that. I've got lots of siblings who are all -way- older than me.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Someone tried to get me to amuse their kids by playing a game of Uno at church, and let me just say that it frustrated me because none of them would follow the rules and it's not like I could yell at them.

Effectively spending time with kids and having them listening to you is somewhat similar to improvisational acting.

You just gotta carry through with whatever randomness the kids do. Don't assume you will fully control them, but at least control them to the level where they will behave. Oh, and mad amounts of patience is always required. XD

It's pretty much a skill that you have to acquire.

[Raiden no Kishi]

The only objections I have are these:

1) It's ridiculous to assume that they can spend a significant amount of time with each of those kids, which will be especially important the older they get.

2) Their father must have to work incessantly to pay for all those kids. That can't be healthy for him.

3) Naming all your kids with the same first letter is grade-A lame.

.rai//

[minakichan]

3) Naming all your kids with the same first letter is grade-A lame.

Yeah, seriously, J names? Those are some of the lamest and most generic in the book. If they were L or S names, it might be a little better.

Or Q. *_*

[Tsukuyomi]

I was going to make it so my girl's names had the same ending sound ^^ Like, Serena and Relena ^^ Or, Aaliyah and Serena, but my cousin took those names already