Here we go again--Woman pregnant with 18th Child

[Shao Feng-Li]

I don't mind people with big families. That's cool I guess, even though I can't for the life of me see why they would want families that big. The part that upsets me is that this woman has basically been in a state of CONSTANT pregnancy. That almost seems like a form of abuse to me. :\

But it's not

I personally can't see myself with 18 kids. Maybe that lady didn't either. A person's heart and mind can change though. *shrug*

They must get one heck of a tax return XD

[creed4]

If that is what God called them to Great. I would like to have a lot of Children one day, If God would give me a wife..

[Sheenar]

I'm not Catholic, but I don't like the idea of birth control (it's just me personally...). I feel that if I get married and get pregnant, then that's part of God's plan--He wouldn't allow it to happen if He wouldn't make a way to care for the child.
Children are a blessing from God--and though I personally couldn't handle more than 3-4 children, it is nice to see a family who values children--it's something that's missing all too often in today's culture where we've lost a third of our generation to abortion...
I'm up to having as many children as God would have me have...I also really want to adopt.

Those crazy Baptists and their dancing...
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[Mr. SmartyPants]

This is just my own personal conviction, but I feel that a bit of self-depreciating humor is a healthy thing.

Does this mean I'm in top-notch condition?

I have a friend that's one of twelve. Well now I'm pretty much all of their friends. It's pretty weird going to their where I'm surrounded by like... fourteen other people. What usually happens is that the older children pick up the slack and take care of the younger ones.

I'll just throw out that two of the brothers look a bit like Fish and Chips.

[Psycho Molos]

I personally don't buy all that "God gives you as many kids as you can handle" argument. Cost of living and all and these days giving kids all that nonsense that modern parents think "they just have to have" like all those extracurricular crap and sports and crap. Parenthetically, what happened to chess club?????? I mean think of all the uniforms and fees and all the "right clothes" have to be bought for those kids!

With the rising cost of living and groceries and gas....I am agast at how some people haven't stopped to...ummm..."put it in their pants and keep them up"!

Two is company, 3 and more is definately a crowd.

[Radical Dreamer]

A. This thread has made me laugh really, really hard. XD

B. My mom is the youngest of 6 kids. Our family gatherings are pretty big. I can't imagine the family gatherings these people are going to have. My gosh.

C. I would never want that many kids. I mean, they must have a pretty well-paying job to be able to afford a house that covers (I think the article said) 7 acres and food to feed 20 mouths, but still. I have a hard time believing those kids are getting quality time with their parents, alone. And claustrophobia? Man. No thanks, no thanks. XD I also don't want to imagine half a lifetime of morning sickness and feeling like a wide-load truck. XD

[Psycho Molos]

A. This thread has made me laugh really, really hard. XD

B. My mom is the youngest of 6 kids. Our family gatherings are pretty big. I can't imagine the family gatherings these people are going to have. My gosh.

C. I would never want that many kids. I mean, they must have a pretty well-paying job to be able to afford a house that covers (I think the article said) 7 acres and food to feed 20 mouths, but still. I have a hard time believing those kids are getting quality time with their parents, alone. And claustrophobia? Man. No thanks, no thanks. XD I also don't want to imagine half a lifetime of morning sickness and feeling like a wide-load truck. XD

Agreed, my point too....I mean I love kids but... @.@

[Kurama]

Oh my....o.O I cannot....do not know what to say.

[Sheenar]

I personally don't buy all that "God gives you as many kids as you can handle" argument. Cost of living and all and these days giving kids all that nonsense that modern parents think "they just have to have" like all those extracurricular crap and sports and crap. Parenthetically, what happened to chess club?????? I mean think of all the uniforms and fees and all the "right clothes" have to be bought for those kids!

With the rising cost of living and groceries and gas....I am agast at how some people haven't stopped to...ummm..."put it in their pants and keep them up"!

Two is company, 3 and more is definately a crowd.

I still believe that God will provide for the children you do have. Our society as a whole doesn't view children as a blessing from God anymore, but an obligation or expense. Hence all the abortions. While yes, having a child costs money, God always provides. I just don't agree with birth control. I guess people can try natural family planning..but still, even with birth control, if God wants you to have a child, you will have a child regardless --and God will make a way to provide for that child. I trust God not to give me a child unless that child can be provided for. (Side note: I may not be able to have children, but plan to adopt.)
Also, you can live simply and still provide a good, full life for your children.

Also, if you're not prepared for the possibility of having a child (because birth control can fail), then don't have sex.

Just my opinion.

[Shao Feng-Li]

Stephen Colbert is the youngest of 11.

Therefore big families rock.

[Psycho Molos]

I just don't agree with birth control. I

Dear friend that's why I made the comment about "Keeping IT in your pants." That's totally different from birth control. LOL

[AsianBlossom]

I still believe that God will provide for the children you do have. Our society as a whole doesn't view children as a blessing from God anymore, but an obligation or expense. Hence all the abortions. While yes, having a child costs money, God always provides. I just don't agree with birth control. I guess people can try natural family planning..but still, even with birth control, if God wants you to have a child, you will have a child regardless --and God will make a way to provide for that child. I trust God not to give me a child unless that child can be provided for. (Side note: I may not be able to have children, but plan to adopt.)
Also, you can live simply and still provide a good, full life for your children.

Also, if you're not prepared for the possibility of having a child (because birth control can fail), then don't have sex.

Just my opinion.

Well said...that's in fact what I was going to say. And Catholics believe that if having children absolutely MUST be postponed, Natural Family Planning is an option, as the only thing you're doing is abstaining at the right time of the month. Even if the couple has a child while using NFP when they were trying to postpone having children, it just means that God wanted them to have one then, in which case, okay, it's God's Will.

[Nate]

I still believe that God will provide for the children you do have.

Saying that having a bunch of kids is okay because God will provide for it, to me, is akin to saying that playing in the freeway is okay because God will protect us. You're assuming beyond your knowledge, in other words.

While yes, having a child costs money, God always provides.

God always provides but not in the ways we want Him to. Otherwise there wouldn't be any homeless or starving Christians.

even with birth control, if God wants you to have a child, you will have a child regardless

Now see this is the biggest argument against banning birth control I've ever seen. If God wants you to have a kid, then wouldn't using birth control not matter? Women have gotten pregnant using birth control before. If God wants it to happen, it'll happen. So if we use birth control it doesn't matter, logically.

Unless you're implying that humans can thwart God's will. Which opens a HUGE theological quagmire. If God is omnipotent, then using birth control shouldn't matter, because He can make it happen anyway. If God can't make it happen, then He's not omnipotent, and then why are we worshiping Him?

But hey I'm not getting married anyway so what does it matter to me? Besides I hate kids.

[Sheenar]

Saying that having a bunch of kids is okay because God will provide for it, to me, is akin to saying that playing in the freeway is okay because God will protect us. You're assuming beyond your knowledge, in other words.

God always provides but not in the ways we want Him to. Otherwise there wouldn't be any homeless or starving Christians.

Now see this is the biggest argument against banning birth control I've ever seen. If God wants you to have a kid, then wouldn't using birth control not matter? Women have gotten pregnant using birth control before. If God wants it to happen, it'll happen. So if we use birth control it doesn't matter, logically.

Unless you're implying that humans can thwart God's will. Which opens a HUGE theological quagmire. If God is omnipotent, then using birth control shouldn't matter, because He can make it happen anyway. If God can't make it happen, then He's not omnipotent, and then why are we worshiping Him?

But hey I'm not getting married anyway so what does it matter to me? Besides I hate kids.

That's not exactly what I mean, Nate. I'm saying that if you choose to have sex and get pregnant, then that child is part of God's plan--every life has a purpose, even if it is not "planned." I'm not saying people should have sex indiscriminately...
And I believe that since the child is part of God's plan, He will provide for the child. And yes, I know about homeless children--I see them under the bridge when I go with my church to bring food and clothing. But even those children have a purpose. God has a plan for every life.
As to birth control, God is all-powerful and can cause someone to become pregnant even with birth control. It's just that I don't like the idea of birth control--It's just my personal conviction--I've read about what the Pill does and the effects it can have and I just don't agree with it. The Pill, in some rare instances, can still allow for an egg to be fertilized but prevent it from implanting-resulting in an abortion--the conceptus is passed in menstruation. Yes, I will be going on the Pill in the near future for acne and menstrual things, but I'm also not going to be having sex. But I'll stop taking it after I'm married, because I don't want to risk aborting a child--even if that child is unplanned.

Then there is the whole "sin of Onan" thing--which I know was a cultural thing and he was obligated to produce an heir for his brother...

All this to say, just don't have sex unless you are prepared for the possibility of a child--because even with birth control, it can happen.

[bakura_fan]

hey sheenar, about the pill thing. I was concerened about that too. There's a website *don't remember which* that tells which pills do, and what one's don't. The one I was on made it so that the egg didn't drop. Unfortunately that screwed my body over so much I'm on something else now. But, hey...I wouldn't be on this either if my husband and I could afford to have a kid now. Once we're a bit more stable, i'll probably get off (besides, not supposed to use it for more than 2 years unless medically necessary).

[Radical Dreamer]

All this to say, just don't have sex unless you are prepared for the possibility of a child--because even with birth control, it can happen.

Just saying, but I don't see that being a feasible option for any newlywed that wants a successful marriage (or any married couple, for that matter). Regardless, I see nothing wrong with birth control if it merely prevents conception from occurring.

[Nate]

I am agast at how some people haven't stopped to...ummm..."put it in their pants and keep them up"!

[Sheenar]

Right, I agree RD.
But there are alternatives to the Pill, condoms, etc.

A couple of my married friends are using natural family planning. I have no moral qualms with that since it wouldn't potentially cause an abortion if she does wind up pregnant (which she shouldn't).

[Doubleshadow]

D8 NATE! XD Oh, that is so wrong! XD

[Roy Mustang]

Regardless, I see nothing wrong with birth control if it merely prevents conception from occurring.

This is something that I strongly agree with.

But there are alternatives to the Pill, condoms, etc.

That maybe true, but how this world is and the spread or AIDS and stuff. I think marry people should be careful and safe as well.

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[Lilac#18]

But hey I'm not getting married anyway so what does it matter to me? Besides I hate kids.

I'm not trying to argue with you because you have a right whether or not you want kids or not,but why do you hate kids?

[Shao Feng-Li]

Or just forget the stupid birth control all together...

There's just... no biblical warrant whatsoever for it...

Well, Nate...

Playing in the freeway is a STUPID thing to do.

Wanting A bunch of kids (and trusting in God) is a GOOD thing to do.

You're assuming beyond your knowledge, in other words.

So are the people on birth control saying they wouldn't be good parents or be able to provide for a child.

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Nate just hated himself as a child.

[Roy Mustang]

but why do you hate kids?

Because he thinks they taste bad!

Kiyone: rim shot


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[minakichan]

So are the people on birth control saying they wouldn't be good parents or be able to provide for a child.

Uhh...

In some cases it's true-- this would be one reason why infants are abandoned by their parents in some countries. However, in other (read: most) cases, maybe they just don't want to have a kid. Seriously, it takes $250,000 to $1 million on average to raise a kid in America. I could totally spend that money on anime. Some married couples want to have sex without that kind of cost... Also, some couples just aren't at that stage in life to have kids yet-- without financial stability, they can't provide kids an optimal environment; also, there might be other things that take precedence (school, work, dreams), and it's generally bad to raise children without making them a top priority. And at the same time, while I think that having sex outside of marriage is bad, I'd much rather see these people not have kids for it. Teens generally make terrible parents.

Or just forget the stupid birth control all together...

There's just... no biblical warrant whatsoever for it...

Uhh... Well, there's no biblical warrant against it either, as long as it doesn't destroy a human life. Condoms?

Nate just hated himself as a child.

UHH...

Because he thinks they taste bad!

That can't be right. At that age, the meat reaches optimal succulence and texture.

This applies for both goat kids and human kids.

[Etoh*the*Greato]

Keep in mind not all birth controls are equal. If you take it before the act (such as something you need to stay on a monthly basis with) it is generally something that acts to prevent conception. That's not the same as the "baby killin'" drugs that you take afterwards.

Birth control consists of two things. I'm not arguing right or wrong, that's not what I'm here for but I want to make sure that people know the differences between the parts of "birth control." For the sake of this exercise I've invented words that I would like everyone to adopt because I enjoy having power over people's actions and never really got to start a fad before (Ok, so everyone on my college campus is using a Mac, and I was the first, but I'm really still not sure if that was me).

You've got your Premies which come before hand. They actively prevent conception.
Then you've got what I affectionately call the Posties which terminate an existing conception - whether that conception has gotten to what we'd usually call a pregnancy or not. The morning after pills are meant to flush your system of anything that might potentially be a fertilized egg.

[Fish and Chips]

Nate just hated himself as a child.

Shao, stop projecting.

[Radical Dreamer]

Nate just hated himself as a child.

I'd just like to step in here and say that was completely unnecessary. Shao, take a look at how the discussion is going so far (civilly, in other words) and please follow suit. There's no need to sling mud.

[Shao Feng-Li]

Well, there's no biblical warrant against it either, as long as it doesn't destroy a human life. Condoms?

I suppose it doesn't directly... Though, you only find verses in favor of having children. Such as "be fruitful and multiply" in Genesis "And a happy man is one who has a full quiver." (Or some variation of that.)

You do have the arguments of wasting the sperm or that live originates in that itself, so...

But, if God so wills it, you'll have a kid or you won't. So it's like... birth control is just a vain waste of money that is often unhealthy for the female body :\

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"God will not lead you to a place where his grace cannot sustain you."

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I'm tired...

EDIT:

Oops... Sorry Corrie, guys. Didn't mean anything by it... Since he said he hated kids. ^^;

[Etoh*the*Greato]

Only a few forms of birth control are anything even remotely resembling dangerous. The most birth control will usually do to a woman is give them unusual mood swings.

[minakichan]

But, if God so wills it, you'll have a kid or you won't. So it's like... birth control is just a vain waste of money that is often unhealthy for the female body :\

If I never have sex, I will never have a child, and God cannot "will" otherwise. (OK, before some pulls out a Virgin Mary on me...) Similarly, if I have sex and use birth control, my chances of having children are physically lower than if I did not use birth control. Two couples of similar fertility and sexual practices with the sole independent variable of birth control will, given the Law of Large Numbers, probably differ in the number of pregnancies that result.

Yes, birth control is not absolute; no, it is not absolutely ineffective. And again, there are different kinds of birth control. Correct me if I'm wrong (I could very well be), but condoms do not harm the female body.