I don't believe this!

[Fish and Chips]

America is the only country with warning labels like that. Other countries don't need them. I suppose their kids aren't as stupid

Or possibly their parents.

My kid drank liquid bleach.

I think I will become independently wealthy from this.

[teigeki_calesa]

Someone mind telling me what the big deal is?

I actually LIKE beyblade (Yes, yes, insert shocking and gasping here). Mind you my favorite series was GRevolution (the one with the nicest animation and storyline..most of which got killed for the dub), but still...

Why all the hate? If you don't like it, you don't have to watch it yanno. It's also not like the show involves worshipping satan or something, so unless you can give a REAL good reason it shouldn't air...why care?

This is about as bad as people having fits when they changed crap on Nick Jr (years after those people had stopped watching). Sorry guys, but the whole point of this thread seems to be nothing but "lets bash beyblade" and that's just silly. ._. Why not put your time in effort into something that doesn't make you mad? Not to mention it's not even like Beyblade was one of those mega popular shows.

I understand people wanting Spongebob to end because it's everywhere (and takes up room for quality stuff), but in this case? You probably won't even notice it, plus Nelvana isn't like some super big and serious studio. Beyblade getting dubbed won't take the place of your precious masterpieces.

Same thoughts as mine.And yes, I do like this show. Well, not as much as about 2-3 years ago, but still....

I also don't get it. 18+ people bashing shows geared towards the 7-12 market is just pointless. It isn't clearly for them, or for those of you here who are obviously upset over this news, so why bother?

[KhakiBlueSocks]

[font="Trebuchet MS"][SIZE="4"][color="RoyalBlue"]This isn't a thread for bashing Beyblade--we're just stating our own opinions--and it just so happens that BeyBlade is not liked by the majority of the posters of this thread. You just happen to be in the minority.

And yes, we know that Beyblade isn't really designed for the older set, but it's still anime, and seeing as how Anime makes up 1/3 of this forum's name, it's subject to discussion just like any other anime not on the "Do not Discuss" list.[/color][/SIZE][/font]

[Raiden no Kishi]

Same thoughts as mine.And yes, I do like this show. Well, not as much as about 2-3 years ago, but still....

I also don't get it. 18+ people bashing shows geared towards the 7-12 market is just pointless. It isn't clearly for them, or for those of you here who are obviously upset over this news, so why bother?

Because kids' shows shouldn't suck, maybe? Here's what I don't get. I don't get people defending poorly-written, formulaic kids' shows. Our younger siblings (well, not MINE because I'm an only child, but still) have this sort of stuff to watch. Would you want them watching this nonsense or something good?

Yes, this show is actually me[a]nt for KIDS! IMAGINE THAT!

Ah, so it's okay to dump crap TV on kids - they're not worth putting work into writing something decent for them. Right?

Point being, adults make the good stuff . . . and this stuff. All I'm asking is that they focus on the former rather than the latter; maybe that they take a little pride in their art, instead of selling out for a cheap, quick buck? Is that too much to ask?

.rai//

[Nate]

I don't get people defending poorly-written, formulaic kids' shows.

I don't get how people state their opinions as if it was fact. I happen to think Charles Dickens' Tale of Two Cities is the most boring, retarded, god-awful piece of trash I've ever read. Guess what? It's a literary masterpiece. Oh wait, I guess that means people have different opinions on what is considered to be poorly written, huh? Nah, wait, that can't be it, because after all, EVERYONE says that Beyblade is poorly written THEREFORE IT R FACT.

Would you want them watching this nonsense or something good?

I'd want them to watch whatever they considered entertaining. I love Super Sentai even though 90%]Ah, so it's okay to dump crap TV on kids - they're not worth putting work into writing something decent for them. Right?[/QUOTE]
Because you've personally watched Takao Aoki doing the manga and saw that he didn't put forth any effort into writing/drawing it? Because three years after the manga was out and they made an anime you sat in the writers' rooms and saw that they didn't put forth effort into writing it?

It's so easy to say that people that have done something you don't like didn't put any work into it, isn't it?

All I'm asking is that they focus on the former rather than the latter; maybe that they take a little pride in their art, instead of selling out for a cheap, quick buck?

Awesome shows like Mr. Show, Arrested Development, and shows that are excellent, awesome, and entertaining, get canceled quickly.

Shows like Friends last forever.

If I may quote Fry from Futurama, "That's not why people watch TV. Clever things make people feel stupid and unexpected things make them feel scared."

Businesses are all about making money, and the surefire way to make money is to pump out things that are exactly the same as they've been doing. Trying something new is difficult to do because if it fails, they lose money, and then it makes them say "Obviously people don't like anything new." Which is mostly true.

Also you are again making assumptions based on your SPECULATION (not facts) that these people aren't taking pride in their work, which of course you don't know.

But the funniest part, the part that really amuses me, is how two people said that they like this show, and in response to their statements they got further bashing and name-calling. That's awesome.

[uc pseudonym]

Can we agree that, regardless of how we feel about Beyblade's quality, it isn't worth arguing over? Because we're going to stop arguing about it either way.

[Shao Feng-Li]

People and their animated cartoons from Japan

But Bey Blade? I want a season 2 of Fruits Basket...

._.

[ShiroiHikari]

Actually, "toy shows" in Japan are far and away better than "toy shows" in America. Usually.

Look at the 80s. A lot of the cartoons were made for no reason other than to sell toys. And most of them were really bad. Like, the original Transformers? That is a HORRIBLE show, and if you've seen any episodes since you've become an adult, you can probably agree with me. Point is, toy shows in America are lame, generally.

Now look at Japan. One show that could be considered a toy show is Mobile Suit Gundam, which is considered by many to be a masterpiece. There are also the Japanese Transformers shows which actually have overarching plots. Machine Robo Rescue is a toy show, but it has good characters and a good story (when it gets down to it).

What I'm getting at is that in Japan, they don't dumb it down for the kiddies as much as we do. I can't speak for Beyblade, but I'm sure it gets butchered pretty badly on its trip to the US. So maybe it's not really fair to be complaining about it so much.

I also agree that adults probably shouldn't be griping about kids' shows as much as we do-- while I think that kids do need some quality stuff to watch, I also once again have to point to the past. We didn't exactly grow up on top-notch stuff back then, either. I don't like a lot of the new kids' stuff, but I'm sure most of our parents didn't like our "new" stuff either.

[Doubleshadow]

*sigh* They'll make what gets them money. You can't illegally download toys.

Also, tops are a classic kids toy with a little more status in Japan. The premise gets a little more credit over there.

[~darkelfgirl~]

I'm sure no one's holding a pitchfork and a torch here, wanting to prevent Beyblade from airing (hopefully they are not XD). They're just expressing differentiating opinions, is all.

Maybe the kids who will watch this will become the new batch of future otakus. I mean, one of my first animes was Monster Rancher (it was very strange to me since I never saw anime before. I mean, big mutant eyes, crazy hair, and weird emotions...and occupations). Now that I look back at that show, it seems kinda lame (well, judging from the few memories I have of it, like that one stone dude liking that evil water chick). But that led to more anime.

Now look at me! Can't get enough a' that anime stuff.

[minakichan]

Sturgeon's Second Law: 90% of everything is crap. Prove me WRONG.

Also, name a kid's show that isn't formulaic crap in one way or another. It's not possible. There haven't been any new ideas in the world since the 1950s.

[Shao Feng-Li]

Well...

Hmm...

Some Miyazaki movies are geared more towards kids... but those are movies...

Dang it, there are good kids anime series out there somewhere...

[ShiroiHikari]

Sailor Moon was a kid's show, and it's pretty good.

[Shao Feng-Li]

DBZ for girls? Wait... I think that was Inuyasha... XD

[KhakiBlueSocks]

Here's what I don't get. I don't get people defending poorly-written, formulaic kids' shows. Our younger siblings (well, not MINE because I'm an only child, but still) have this sort of stuff to watch. Would you want them watching this nonsense or something good?

You're 100% right. For far too long, the media has passed dumbed down programming off as being "kid friendly". These guys need to wake up: kids now are a lot smarter and know a lot more than we give them credit for. Nowadays, kids can watch in and everything on TV and the Internet. It's downright insulting to try and pass something as dumb as Beyblade off on the younger viewing public, and it's also giving anime a bad reputation--if not a worse one.

[teigeki_calesa]

Oh wow.This whole brouhaha over Beyblade, even in this forum, is the reason why I usually never speak out about my anime preferences. Looks like I never learned my lesson; not speak out when my opinion is the least popular.

Look, I'm not blindly defending Beyblade and saying that "OMG its d best ur jst a bunch of jaded jerks". I am aware that it's not the best and has a LOT of stuff that is a turn-off for the mature and enlightened kind, or at least those who consider themselves to be. But it's in that light---and my whole point---- that I'm saying it's POINTLESS for the 18+ers to bash this show.

And would I rather have the kids of my generation dumbed down by crap entertainment, as some of you here asked? I don't think imposing your own standards on kids and dictating to them what is smart and what is dumb (or assuming that they all have the same line of thinking as you) is a form of giving credit to their intelligence either. If they are to develop their own intelligence, let them decide what to watch, and just let their folks be there to supervise. That's what I think anyway.

And besides, "Dumb" happens to be an extremely subjective word nowadays. What's dumb for this set of people may not be for others. A show about spinning tops is outright craptastic for some, but OK or even fantastic for others. You don't like the stories made for these kind of shows? Fine. You think that they are formulaic and poorly written? Okay. I don't have anything to say about that, it's your opinion. But just because my opinion isn't the same as the majority doesn't mean it's any less valid than that of anyone else here. The bottom line here is, "to each, his own" and "other people with other thoughts exist".

In the lines of what Nate said in his post, I'm also a fan of a certain line of mecha anime, the Eldoran series, and I'm sure this series is gonna get torn to pieces by the critics in these parts because it's a formulaic "kids vs bad guys and end up saving the day" tripe, but I still love it. I'll let reviews pass---that, again, is personal opinion---but I'll surely get upset if some wise guys clamor for it to be kicked off the channel it was airing here in my place just because it doesn't suit their tastes,and I WILL speak out, even risking being called names and accused of defending low-quality entertainment, like right now.

And Nate, thanks for this winning quote of yours:

But the funniest part, the part that really amuses me, is how two people said that they like this show, and in response to their statements they got further bashing and name-calling. That's awesome.

I couldn't have said that any better.

[Momo-P]

You're 100% right. For far too long, the media has passed dumbed down programming off as being "kid friendly". These guys need to wake up: kids now are a lot smarter and know a lot more than we give them credit for. Nowadays, kids can watch in and everything on TV and the Internet. It's downright insulting to try and pass something as dumb as Beyblade off on the younger viewing public, and it's also giving anime a bad reputation--if not a worse one.

Anyone who doesn't respect anime based on one show isn't someone worth caring about to begin with. Seriously, anime has been around for years now. With the exception of some older adults, most people are heavily aware not all anime programming is purely violence, sexuality or silly childish ideas. To even suggest Beyblade will destroy the image of Japanese animation is simply absurd.

Furthermore...shouldn't you be more worried about American animation? Spectacular Spider-man and TFA are the only quality shows airing at the moment. Everything else is nothing but idiotic humor and randomness...at least beyblade has a story to it. I know I'd definitely rather watch ancient beasts sealed within pendents than Back at the Barnyard.

Like Teigeki, I'm not trying to say Beyblade is a masterpiece, by no means is it, however, I'm just saying it's not as mind numbing as you're making it out to be.

Not to mention...somebody brought up cartoons from the 80's? As much as I love Transformers (and actually still enjoy watching G1), I will admit those shows are very "blah". The stories behind them are very well written, but because the 80's was about toys, the cartoons themselves were really bland and silly. Nothing but a huge commercial.

Wait..but...did I turn out to be a moron? Did you? Did any of us? No matter what time era you visit, children will always have silly things that only they enjoy. What matters in life isn't what cartoons your child watches, it's what type of education you give them. Someone could subject their kid to hours of "masterpiece anime", but if you never give them a proper education, they'll turn up as idiots.

[Shao Feng-Li]

We were the ones that came up with Spongebob Squarepants... XD

But then there's Bo-bobo from Japan.

[uc pseudonym]

Look, I'm not blindly defending Beyblade and saying that "OMG its d best ur jst a bunch of jaded jerks". I am aware that it's not the best and has a LOT of stuff that is a turn-off for the mature and enlightened kind, or at least those who consider themselves to be. But it's in that light---and my whole point---- that I'm saying it's POINTLESS for the 18+ers to bash this show.

Let me begin by saying that I don't want to personally attack you and I don't intend to mindlessly bash anything. Thank you for being civil even when some are being unkind toward you. You have every right to state your opinion.

However, I also hope you give others the right to have the opinion that Beyblade is a poor series. It isn't clear from your post. You certainly have respect, which is a good start, but from what you wrote I get a sense of an attack saying other opinions are relative and only relative. My opinion is not "Beyblade isn't for me" but a more complex position that attempts to provide some degree of objective argument that it is a low quality series. I don't believe it is pointless for me to comment about a children's series.

Though we obviously disagree, I don't necessarily feel the need to argue over it. I read some pretty weak shonen myself (including the original Beyblade manga, actually).

[KeybladeWarrior]

I am glad there are bringing back this series. It was a pretty good show with the younger crowd.

[teigeki_calesa]

However, I also hope you give others the right to have the opinion that Beyblade is a poor series. It isn't clear from your post. You certainly have respect, which is a good start, but from what you wrote I get a sense of an attack saying other opinions are relative and only relative. My opinion is not "Beyblade isn't for me" but a more complex position that attempts to provide some degree of objective argument that it is a low quality series. I don't believe it is pointless for me to comment about a children's series.

Though we obviously disagree, I don't necessarily feel the need to argue over it. I read some pretty weak shonen myself (including the original Beyblade manga, actually).

Let me thank you for getting your point clearly and objectively across without being antagonistic. I don't get a lot of that nowadays.

But you see, it's that same "complex position" that bothers me. I mean, it's just another kiddie show that's not worth all the socio-pediatric discourses that this thread has apparently touched based on. I think I just had my fill of "kids are smart and deserve better than this *insert derogatory word*" which is an argument so overused that I can't even use it to wipe the floor. Because, based on my observation of the people who say this, most of the time it's just a way of manifesting an immature desire of imposing one's own standards/opinions in the guise of being concerned for what kids watch. Before anyone starts feeling offended again, I want to make clear that I wish NOT to think of those of you here in this thread who disagree with me in that light.

And furthermore, I apologize if I do sound too forward and you got that sense of attacking. I guess I got that bad habit of being overtly defensive whenever I bring up something that might not be liked by the majority, and get attacked--and by attack, I mean the viciously acidic kind--as a result, from my experience in other forums.

And I'm in no way exempting myself from the opinion relativeness thing. I am aware that mine are just as relative as anyone else's. And it will surely have a chance to change now that the 4th installment is on the way, based on whether I'll like it or not.

And finally, I too, don't wish to argue over it anymore if I can help it. It's just that most of the time, a lot of the arguments concerning about these kind of shows are kinda out of place that I just have to talk.

[Raiden no Kishi]

Let me just make the note that I did not intend to offend or "bash" anyone in my previous post. I chalk it up to being in an off mood and having one of my pet issues touched upon and apologize for any hard feelings. Originality's just one of my big things, so when I perceive a lack of it, it bothers me. Whatever you prefer, I sincerely hope you enjoy it.

.rai//

[rocklobster]

I am glad there are bringing back this series. It was a pretty good show with the younger crowd.

I agree with that. While I am not a fan of this show (I admit, I watched it only to see what it was about.), I do think it's a good way to start someone on anime. I mean, we all started somewhere. That's why Voltron is in my signature pic. I'm honoring the one that started it all for me.

[Mave]

I suppose I can understand the frustration because as a kid, I watched cartoon shows that I didn't dare to admit to liking 'coz my buddies would endlessly ridicule me for watching it. I liked Robotech, Voltron, Battle of the Planets and Saber Rider. I somewhat liked Yu-Gi OH and Sailormoon while Pokemon, Inuyasha and Dragonball generally annoyed me. So....hmmm, I don't know how to judge if the show is poor coz there are many factors that pull you to a show catered to kids. It's not just about the script, sometimes it's the toys/gadgets or cool characters that kids can associate themselves with. Sometimes the basic plot of "average kid becoming powerful or special because of an item/superpower" is irresistible......... Wait a minute, don't we see the same theme in some teen/adult shows anyway? XDDD

Nah, this isn't really worth fighting over. Relax, folks.

We were the ones that came up with Spongebob Squarepants... XD

But then there's Bo-bobo from Japan.

Aha, NOW I confess to passionately disliking the former but I will stop right there. It is fine if you like it. I shall happily proceed to do something else....byeeeee!

[Shao Feng-Li]

D:;

How do you dislike Spongebob? XD

[ADXC]

If I offended anyone then Im trully sorry, I was sort of in a rant mood. And I was just talking about what happens all the time with these very popular anime among the kids.

I mean, I started to like anime when I watched DBZ! And I do realize that not many prefer the show(For reasons of length, repedity, and yelling. But when I was 11 thats what I was into, and I definitely had the time to watch it. So maybe you can see why I love the show.), but I do like DBZ and always will because thats what got me hooked to anime and also to lead me to this place. Im really thankful for it. So I say watch whatever anime that makes you happy as long as its not satanic. Because do remember God placed these fun things on the earth for our amusement, and that we may glorify Him for it. But I really don't know if anime will get you closer to God, it may of course help you lead some one to Christ by the friendship value that anime can give(You know like when you become a friend of an unbeliever and then after all the laughs you can start to work with them to help them start a relationship with God.).

[Crazy Kitty]

Well as much as I didn't like the second season, I have to say I was a big fan of the first season as a kid. And even though I realize it isn't the best show now, I respect it for introducing me to anime in the first place. Without it, I can't imagine I would have ever gotten to know any other anime series. And in turn manga. While there were other shows out there ready and available to me, like Gundam Wing and Sailor Moon, I felt the content in them too strong for me at the time. And even though I'd been a huge fan of Pokemon, I never recognised it as anime.

So in the long run, I'm very grateful towards Beyblades, and I'm happy a fourth season will be coming out. Doubt I'll watch it though. The first season was a complete story for me.

[uc pseudonym]

But you see, it's that same "complex position" that bothers me. I mean, it's just another kiddie show that's not worth all the socio-pediatric discourses that this thread has apparently touched based on. I think I just had my fill of "kids are smart and deserve better than this *insert derogatory word*" which is an argument so overused that I can't even use it to wipe the floor. Because, based on my observation of the people who say this, most of the time it's just a way of manifesting an immature desire of imposing one's own standards/opinions in the guise of being concerned for what kids watch.

By "complex" I simply meant more than "it's stupid" - nothing all that elaborate, just simple things along the lines of what I feel about the quality of the plot and why that makes it not fun. But because you said you don't want to argue about this any more and I have no overpowering urge to discuss Beyblade, I won't go into those reasons and we can go our separate ways.

[ShiroiHikari]

I hope nobody misunderstood me-- I'm not saying that you need to raise your kids on high art. Like I said, plenty of people my age grew up on some pretty retarded TV shows, but it's not what you watch that makes you intelligent, necessarily. Honestly, if you want your kids to be well-rounded and smart, you should probably encourage them to read books instead of clamoring for "better" kids' shows.

On the other hand, I don't think kids should watch total mindless crap, either. They do tend to emulate things they see, especially fart jokes and the like. Nobody wants their kid acting like that. XD

[Roy Mustang]

Look at the 80s. A lot of the cartoons were made for no reason other than to sell toys. And most of them were really bad. Like, the original Transformers? That is a HORRIBLE show, and if you've seen any episodes since you've become an adult, you can probably agree with me. Point is, toy shows in America are lame, generally.

I'm one of those that can't watch Transformers or TMNT now.

The odd thing is, I like older stuff from Japan, but trying to watch some of our kid shows now, make me hurt on the inside.

Some Miyazaki movies are geared more towards kids... but those are movies...

Two of only three Miyazaki movies that I like were the ones geared towards kids.

I flat out say it and I know someone is going to laugh at this but,

Any chance that I get, I watch the Curious George cartoon that airs on PBS. When my nephew came over, I would watch it with him and now when he doesn't come over, I still watch it anyway.

[color="Red"][font="Book Antiqua"]Col. Roy Mustang[/font][/color]