mitsuki lover wrote:Data(cutting into the Datashape cake Troi baked for him):"I wonder what Dr.Freud would say about the significance of the imagery.."
Troi:"Data EVEN Freud would say that,'Sometimes a cake is just a cake'.":lol:
IMO we too often look for meaning in the meaningless.Why should every dream have a meaning to it?Most dreams mean only that one ate too much
before bed and bear no real spiritual significance to our lives,although they may in fact bear meaning to our stomachs!:lol:
mitsuki lover wrote:Data(cutting into the Datashape cake Troi baked for him):"I wonder what Dr.Freud would say about the significance of the imagery.."
Troi:"Data EVEN Freud would say that,'Sometimes a cake is just a cake'.":lol:
IMO we too often look for meaning in the meaningless.Why should every dream have a meaning to it?Most dreams mean only that one ate too much
before bed and bear no real spiritual significance to our lives,although they may in fact bear meaning to our stomachs!:lol:
Gabriel 9.0 wrote:od does talk to his people through ''most' dreams
12praiseGOD wrote:Thats what I was just about to say Gabriel...you just have to look all over the Bible how GOD reveals messages in dreams...besides the ones Gabriel posted, many times GOD told Joseph, Mary(mother of Jesus) things in dreams, Also to many others, many of the revelations in the Bible are by dream. ANyways I had a really weird dream last night. I drempt that my cat stayed for a day with my nice neighbors, adn that we were all sitting by a built up pool and then That my neighbor told me that my cat had drowned in some prezzing water...but the cat was beside me, a little sick looking. Supposedly she said that my cat fell in the pond with ice on the top and that it got caught under the ice. Then I rapped my cat in some blankets and brought him up to my house and told my dad, I believe I prayed and then I pictured myself days latter with my cat being really healthy...anyone got any ideas of what this could mean?
P.S. I wonder if it means something was going to die today...I saw my cat carrying a bird in its mouth still alive. I tried to rescue the poor bird, but my cat hissed at me and ran past a fence to were I couldn't get to him. I know he kills things, but its not so nice to see....uhhh! *sticks out tonge*
uc pseudonym wrote:Recall that the Bible is a selective history. If you take all the dreams in the Bible you end up with only a handful (depending on how much a dream weighs, I guess). Considering that the Bible contains millions of people who probably had dreams every single night, you have billions of dreams and only an exceedingly small percentage that are said to be from God.
Gabriel 9.0 wrote:Just about everybody in the Bible received dreams from him
and I've heard how people have gotten dreams from him as well. I myself included.
Uh...the number of people in the Bible who received dreams are few. It wasn't "just about everybody," it was for all intents and purposes almost nobody.
In fact, let me do a search.
People God has spoken to in dreams in the Bible:
Abimelech, Jacob, Laban, Joseph (the one with the colored coat), the baker, the cupbearer, the Pharaoh, a man Gideon heard talking, Solomon, Nebuchadnezzar, Joseph (the husband of Mary), and the magi.
Wow. Just about everybody, huh? That's 12 people the Bible says had dreams from God. Only 12, out of the thousands of people mentioned. Even in the entirety of the Bible the number of people who received dreams from God is incredibly small.
Obviously, only God knows whether or not He has given you a dream. So I will not say that I don't believe you, because obviously, I do not know. However, I admit that I am very skeptical whenever someone claims to have a dream from God. As has been stated before, dreams are influenced by so many things in our lives that more often than not searching for meaning in them is fruitless.
By the way. All those people I mentioned? Most of them each had only ONE dream inspired by God in their entire lives, only two or three had more than one, but even then it wasn't like they had one every other week, I think the most dreams from God any person has had mentioned in the Bible is either two or three...I'm too lazy to look. I know Nebuchadnezzar had two, Joseph the husband of Mary had two, and the other Joseph had at LEAST two if not three. But no more than three. So as you can see, most people it's a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence, only a rare few had more than one but they still didn't have that many. So you can see it's extremely, unbelievably rare.
Now perhaps you see why I am so skeptical of these claims of divinely inspired dreams.
Gabriel 9.0 wrote:You can't forget about Enoch, John, Daniel, Ezekiel and every other Prophet.
Only one or dreams are mentioned , we can't forget Jesus did many things that weren't even mentioned in the Bible.
And I thank you for not saying I didn't get dreams from God. I did though see him in my dreams and still continue to do so.
Visions ≠ dreams. The only ones who God spoke to through dreams are those 12 I mentioned. God spoke to the rest through visions.
Kaligraphic wrote:I wouldn't go talking percentages based on that, because most of the dreams are simply not mentioned, but it is safe to say that, while God does send dreams, not all dreams are from God. Some dreams are from the cold pizza you ate just before bed.
Gabriel 9.0 wrote:I'm not sure about that UC.......It certainly can't be a small number of God inspired dreams. Just about everybody in the Bible received dreams from him, and I've heard how people have gotten dreams from him as well. I myself included.
I could go over those one by one, but that will hopefully not be unnecessary. Except for the Daniel passage (which is arguable but would just add him to the list of 12), none of those are actually about dreams. God has theoretically countless ways of communicating (many of which are used far more than dreams in the biblical account), so those verses don't necessitate dreams given by God.
Recall that we're not arguing God's ability to give dreams, but whether this is common place.
In Nate's defense, that is a valid argument. So is yours, but these two points don't directly conflict. What you are saying is that it is possible there are dream accounts of which we do not know. What he is saying is that unlike the Jesus example, we do not have a reason to assume they exist. Yes, there could very well be other dreams, or there could be absolutely none outside of those listed (not that I mean to disrespect anyone making such claims today).
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