Reverse sexual objectification

[Puguni]

Because I'm a poor student and loser, instead of writing a paper that's due tomorrow, I bring you a topic I've been mentally chewing on.

First, let us consult Wikipedia:
Sexual objectification is objectification of a person. That is, seeing them as a sexual object, and emphasizing their sexual attributes and physical attractiveness, while de-emphasizing their existence as a living person with emotions and feelings of their own.

Please be lenient as I stretch the definition. By the way, I'm not troubled or offended by anything; I was just curious as to what the community has to say.

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Personally, I feel because of these objectification of women has also had an effect on men. I feel like there is a subtle message, that men are beings that exist only and think only of and are easily swayed by one thing. They have no deep thoughts, they are vulgar and have no qualms with cheating on their wives.

(I'd like to add that I really don't...believe this, but I think this is the message that the media, unknowingly [?], seems to give...Also, I'm kind of disoriented and might just be babbling.)

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I wanted to discuss the hypothetical implications or whether this argument was moot or not.

People are always talking about how objectifying a women is terrible, and it is, but people don't seem to think about the fact that it makes guys look bad too. It's a bad after-effect. As Raiden no Kishi put it very nicely, it's objectifying men as objectifiers.

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Feel free to stomp my reasoning to the ground. Also, please read my posts for further clarification.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Ew u said sex lol dats dirty and gross ewwies.

I'd assume that your typical male would find a female partner as a human being to at least some degree (Depending on if they want an actual relationship or they just want to get laid). As for me, I view every single female individual as a human being. A human being with dreams, goals, memories. (Even the sleaze-ball girls) In that respect, I can't say I really view them as any sexual object. As a male, I may -- you know -- lust at a girl, but that doesn't really stop be from rationally thinking and going "Okay, this girl is a human with feelings. It's my duty to treat her as such."

[Puguni]

Ew u said sex lol dats dirty and gross ewwies.

I'd assume that your typical male would find a female partner as a human being to at least some degree (Depending on if they want an actual relationship or they just want to get laid). As for me, I view every single female individual as a human being. A human being with dreams, goals, memories. (Even the sleaze-ball girls) In that respect, I can't say I really view them as any sexual object. As a male, I may -- you know -- lust at a girl, but that doesn't really stop be from rationally thinking and going "Okay, this girl is a human with feelings. It's my duty to treat her as such."

Yeah, I know there are lots of nice, rational guys here, but I wanted to discuss this generally. I'm not pointing fingers and I'm not saying this is the norm, but perhaps through the objectifying of women, there also lies a possibility that this is happening to men. Is it giving men a bad image?

[Alexander]

Punguni, pardon my questioning, but what are you trying to ask?

How many boys you can find who don't view women as lust objects, the subject in general?

I need a little clarification please, thanks.

[Puguni]

Punguni, pardon my questioning, but what are you trying to ask?

How many boys you can find who don't view women as lust objects, the subject in general?

I need a little clarification please, thanks.

I meant to ask if there existed or was a forming of the extreme view of men being nothing but, as quoted in the first post, "beings that exist only and think only of and are easily swayed by one thing," just as women can be viewed as objects with no other purpose but one thing. I also wanted to discuss the implications.

Reverse objectification. "Men are all dogs," or something like that.

[Raiden no Kishi]

In other words, the objectifying of men as objectifiers. Well, I'm sure you can find many pop-culture examples that would support such an assertion.

.rai//

[Mr. SmartyPants]

I meant to ask if there existed or was a forming of the extreme view of men being nothing but, as quoted in the first post, "beings that exist only and think only of and are easily swayed by one thing," just as women can be viewed as objects with no other purpose but one thing. I also wanted to discuss the implications.

Reverse objectification. "Men are all dogs," or something like that.

I suppose a Misandrist would believe that all men are dogs. But yeah, I can imagine some women that would go "All men are pigs"; especially the ones who have had bad experiences with them.

[Cognitive Gear]

I grew up in a church (and went to the school it ran) that taught young men that all they thought about was sex. They taught them that they were

The girls were taught that all any guy wanted was to have sex. They also had a hardly veiled lesson that when teenage girls got pregnant, the guy was to be treated as a **** bag, and the girl with compassion. Essentially, these mistakes were blamed on the male, while the girl was assumed to be a "victim".

This teaching resulted in far more males remaining Virgins until marriage than females. Some of the guys became afraid to so much as touch a girl, while the women were left unprepared for the temptation of their own hormones.

So yes, it does exist. Even when it is well intentioned, it has a negative impact on people's lives.

[EricTheFred]

Book suggestion for you: Christina Hoff Sommers - The War Against The Boys While I think the politics behind Sommers' writing sometimes is a bit too anti-teacher, she is a remarkably observant woman, a keen thinker and an excellent writer, and covered this and similar subjects in the book.

I see what you're saying. I think that the aphorism "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions" can describe much of what we are taught nowadays. Unfortunately, it can also be used to describe the countermovement as well.

Various groups would like us to believe that men are pigs, that women are victims, that whites are evil, that Christianity was spread only by force, that our way of life in the US was strictly built by forced labor and imperialism.

In response, however, various other groups would like us to believe that each of these ideas is being promulgated by a nefarious group out to destroy us, be it communists, educators, the media, the legions of Hell, whatever.

The truth is, the people who genuinely believe any of these things are few, but they have captured all the airspace, and the majority of us, who realize that there are both truths and falsehoods in all of the above beliefs, are left without representation in the press or the political arena.

[mitsuki lover]

Once you start any conversation with 'All________are_______'you
basically are on the short road to stereotyping everyone of that race,gender,political or religious view,etc.
Wheter or not you 'objetcify'your view what you are really ending up doing is casting aspersions on everyone in that group and thus subtly or not end up biasing yourself against that particuliar group.
For example in place of 'All Men And Boys Are Pigs' we could say
'All New Yorkers Are Idiots'thus supporting and contributing to the stereotype of people from NYC as being dull and dumb.
You see my point here is that anyone,once they start with any sort of
stereotyping will end up with being prejudiced.