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Postby KhakiBlueSocks » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:22 pm

Hey guys! Here's something weird that happened after I left work:

I went to the mall to get a case for my phone. I stopped off at WaldonBooks just to look around and pick up a copy of NewType, when I heard two ladies walk in and ask the cashier (Dressed for Halloween) for some bible highlighters or bookmarks. The cashier said she didn't have any, and told the ladies where they could get 'em. When they walked out, she wished them a "Happy Halloween". She did the same to me when I checked out my copy of "NewType."

Doesn't this seem really odd that someone would say "Happy Halloween" to two ladies who, chances are, don't celebrate this particular holiday, or am I just suffering from a mental colapse brought on by lack of sleep. :dizzy:
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Postby ADXC » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:28 pm

Hmm this is odd. I think the lady was just being polite, but she ought to be more observant next time. Because what if it was 9/11 and she said to some family, who lost some relatives to that horrible disaster, "happy 9/11"( Of course I know this is most definitely out of line, but I do remember that guy off of the radio saying that)! It might be just saying happy halloween to people who apparently don't celebrate the holiday now, but what could this lead to in the future?
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Postby USSRGirl » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:33 pm

Cashiers are simply programmed to rattle off the pre-scripted line to x amount of people each day. As Pink Floyd said, "all in all, you're just another brick in the wall."
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Postby Puguni » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:39 pm

What? What you raised is completely irrelevant and it's a terrible comparison, animedude. I think you guys are taking this too seriously. Halloween is just an occasion to get up in costume and get candy and decorate your house with Halloween things. D: That is how it is normally "celebrated." Delve into it anymore and you're probably going to end up blowing it out of proportion.

"What could this lead to in the future?" You're making this sound like an pagan plague. I honestly see nothing with wishing two ladies a Happy Halloween, even if they do ask for Biblical things.
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Postby bakura_fan » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:06 pm

Puguni wrote:What? What you raised is completely irrelevant and it's a terrible comparison, animedude. I think you guys are taking this too seriously. Halloween is just an occasion to get up in costume and get candy and decorate your house with Halloween things. D: That is how it is normally "celebrated." Delve into it anymore and you're probably going to end up blowing it out of proportion.

"What could this lead to in the future?" You're making this sound like an pagan plague. I honestly see nothing with wishing two ladies a Happy Halloween, even if they do ask for Biblical things.


my thoughts exactly. Or are we trying to figure out if it's another one of those "Merry Christmas" vs. "Happy holidays" things?
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Postby SolidÃ…rmor » Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:13 pm

animedude90 wrote:Hmm this is odd. I think the lady was just being polite, but she ought to be more observant next time. Because what if it was 9/11 and she said to some family, who lost some relatives to that horrible disaster, "happy 9/11"( Of course I know this is most definitely out of line, but I do remember that guy off of the radio saying that)! It might be just saying happy halloween to people who apparently don't celebrate the holiday now, but what could this lead to in the future?


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Yeah Puguni's right, this has nothing to do with what the subject matter that is being discussed. And a poor comparison to boot. Just because the cashier said, "Happy Halloween", she wasn't being rude. She wasn't pushing a pagan holiday on those two ladies. She was more than likely being polite as you stated. Plus, what would it mean if someone said "Merry Christmas" to someone who's Jewish, but didn't know it? Is that being rude?

And not to come across as being the "physical type", but if anyone came up to me and said "Happy 9/11", they'd be wearing a SolidÃ…rmor suit all over them as they got owned. Anyone who would make light of that horrific event would need some schooling on that matter.
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Postby ChristianKitsune » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:57 pm

I personally like the term Happy Candy day XD because that's really the only reason I like Halloween :3

I seriously don't think it matters. though. Just because someone is older, and a Christian doesn't mean they dont celebrate Halloween.
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Postby Nate » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:01 pm

My mom is 52 years old and a Christian and Halloween is her favorite holiday of the year.
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:22 am

Nate wrote:My mom is 52 years old and a Christian and Halloween is her favorite holiday of the year.


What did she do to celebrate?
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Postby Mave » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:32 am

animedude90 wrote:I think the lady was just being polite, but she ought to be more observant next time. Because what if it was 9/11 and she said to some family, who lost some relatives to that horrible disaster, "happy 9/11"( Of course I know this is most definitely out of line, but I do remember that guy off of the radio saying that)! It might be just saying happy halloween to people who apparently don't celebrate the holiday now, but what could this lead to in the future?
Since when did Halloween reach the level of 9/11 in being a touchy topic?

Anyway, this gives me the impression that some ppl could feel SOOOOOO WRONGED when someone accidentally wishes them a celebratory greeting that they don't eh...celebrate. Well, we can't stop anyone from being this way but IMO, it'll just make themselves miserable because they choose to be unhappy with things that seem rather minor.

If someone said Happy Ramadan or Happy Passover or Happy Satanic Day (j/k), I'll just politely nod my head and let it pass or politely say, "Sorry but I don't celebrate this holiday." And that's it.

I probably missed the point but what do you mean by "...but what could this lead to in the future?"
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Postby mitsuki lover » Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:14 pm

Let's hear it for the Great Pumpkin!:lol::dance:

Seriously though how can you tell if they DO or DON'T celebrate a certain holiday?
Did they have WE DO NOT CELEBRATE HALLOWEEN BECAUSE WE THINK IT IS A PAGAN HOLIDAY stamped on their foreheads?

I would agree that the cashier was being polite.
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Postby ADXC » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:21 pm

Yeah, you guys were right about that. I did take it out of proportion and Im really sorry for it! Please forgive me!
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Postby USSRGirl » Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:59 pm

Mave wrote:
If someone said Happy Ramadan or Happy Passover or Happy Satanic Day (j/k), I'll just politely nod my head and let it pass or politely say, "Sorry but I don't celebrate this holiday." And that's it.


>.O *gags* Uh... Passover IS a Christian holiday folks... moreso than Christmas or Easter whose roots are as pagan as Halloween even if they aren't quite as dark.

Anywho, I don't really get the "OMGness" of this whole topic since people say "Happy Whatever" all the time whether you choose to celebrate it or not as the usual verbage of someone working a cash register so... I don't think this even has any PC intent to it, just "Happy Halloween." o.0
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:41 pm

She didn't say it wasn't a Christian holiday, she said she didn't celebrate it. =p

And generally, Jewish folk celebrate it more than Christians do.
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Postby USSRGirl » Thu Nov 01, 2007 8:51 pm

Yeah, I know, but grouping it in with Ramadan and "Satanist day" bugs me. I don't like it when people treat Judaism like some totally pagan thing that came outta nowhere. o.o;;
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Postby Dante » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:16 pm

I think you guys are just being silly... I love Jesus, I dressed up as Einstein the other day and gave away candy while laughing in a maniacal way that I can only do because it's socially acceptable yesterday... I had a lot of fun... and wished I could be as real as I were yesterday all the time...

It seems to me the reality that we have this thing about Holloween reversed... For I see a world that only removes its mask on one day of the year, and puts on a mask to hide its true nature every other day. For only yesterday do people dress up, act silly give to strangers they've never met and act cheerful and happy, only because they are finally socially allowed too... Alas if not every day we could take off the masks we all wear, to don a grotesque physical image or quitoxical form so that we might portray a more caring side of ourselves to friend and complete stranger alike, to care more for personality and inner beauty then for outer image and disgraceful social acceptability.

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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Thu Nov 01, 2007 9:31 pm

[quote="USSRGirl"]Yeah, I know, but grouping it in with Ramadan and "Satanist day" bugs me. I don't like it when people treat Judaism like some totally pagan thing that came outta nowhere. o.o]
Perhaps you're taking her post too seriously. She simply mentioned holidays that she didn't celebrate. (Even had the "j/k" for the "Satanist Holiday") I don't celebrate Ramadan, I don't celebrate Passover. I don't celebrate Yom Kippur. I group them together because they are holidays I do not celebrate. Simple as that.
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Postby Mave » Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:18 am

Wow, I'm lost for words. Pls see MSP's responses. Thank you, sir for speaking on my behalf.
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Postby termyt » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:33 am

Halloween is an American holiday – well a holiday where we all work and go to school, anyways – kind of like Columbus Day. American Christians celebrated it for generations. I can understand why many shy away from it these days - what used to be a day of mocking evil seems to have become more a day of glorifying it – but, well, I guess I can’t get too bent out of shape if someone wishes me happiness for any reason.

In my mind it does not even rise to the level of wishing a Muslim a Merry Christmas. Christmas is a holiday the Muslims do not recognize. Halloween is a pseudo-holiday many Christians do.

Now Passover being more Christian than Easter? That I do not understand. But that’s probably more a discussion for some other thread that will likely be locked before I could weigh in on it.
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Postby mitsuki lover » Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:19 am

I got lost with the Passover one.It is completley Jewish in my mind and not Christian.The reason the early Christians celebrated it was because most of them were Jewish to begin with and they simply kept their traditions to go with their new faith.
Yes they also kept Easter to coincide with Passover or tried to but later on that developed into a theological split between different parts of the church.
Of course the Celtic church was always correct on this point and the Roman church was always wrong.As they were on a lot of other things.
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Postby Nate » Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:11 pm

mitsuki lover wrote:Of course the Celtic church was always correct on this point and the Roman church was always wrong.As they were on a lot of other things.

You must have gotten this place confused with Theology Web. Since I know you'd never purposely flame another denomination and start a theological debate, right?
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Postby USSRGirl » Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:50 pm

o.0 Don't sweat it, Mave. Nothing personal, just how your post sounded. *shrugz and hands Mave a throat lozenge to cure her of her 'speechless' state* o.o;;


mitsuki lover wrote:I got lost with the Passover one.It is completley Jewish in my mind and not Christian.The reason the early Christians celebrated it was because most of them were Jewish to begin with and they simply kept their traditions to go with their new faith.


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They kept the Jewish traditions because Christianity is a sect, or rather a fulfillment, of Judaism. In fact Passover was kept by Christians for quite awhile after, and many early Christians were against replacing it with Easter.

Passover - The Jewish high holy days all correspond to Biblical events (Yom Kippur - Judgment, Tabernacle - 1st coming of the Messiah, Roshashannah - 2nd Coming), Passover being the most obvious in that it's the crucifixion of the Messiah. The whole point of historical Passover is that a lamb is sacrificed, its blood put on the doorposts, and the shadow of death "passes you over." Today, Messianics usually celebrate it with Jesus in mind, being the Passover lamb (plenty of Biblical passages that even say this) whose blood was shed for us so that we will not taste death because we are marked as redeemed through the blood of Christ. Also, Jesus was crucified during or after Passover (the last supper...). I've heard that some scholars think He died on the day the Passover lambs were sacrificed.

Easter - Easter came several centuries later, or rather was already around several centuries before in its pagan form. The name "Easter" comes from the goddess of spring and fertility - "Estore." Ancient pagans generally dedicated the first month of April to the celebration of the goddess of spring - hence where the chicks, eggs, flowers come from being symbolic of life, spring, renewal, ect. From what I understand the Christian version of Easter was a cleaned up pagan version, intended to be an opposition to the pagan holiday as well as draw the yokel Estore worshippers into Christianity. Also, the holiday was generally around the same time as Passover, and what with the idea of life/renewal came the application to the resurrection.

Now before anyone has a heart attack - I am NOT saying that Christians shouldn't celebrate Easter nor that it's any sort of day of "pagan ebilness." The intent behind its creation was not a bad thing, and there is that verse that says something like whatever day you choose to dedicate to the Lord, it is the Lord's day. But if we're going to be nitpicking Halloween's roots (granted, Halloween doesn't have the good intentions of Easter and its traditions are darker), the *ONLY* BIBLICAL holidays are the Jewish holidays. Therefore, Passover is more Biblical in its roots, not to mention the fact that Jesus and the disciples and most everyone else in the Bible celebrated it. It wasn't like these holidays were vaporized either, as Christianity and Judaism are not that far removed. Again, not saying you *should* celebrate it but more many people it can be a good learning experience if you feel lead to celebrate those holidays. Mainly, I just wanted to refute the notion that Passover is "a Jewish holiday" and the Bible was written by a bunch of darn good ol' Yankees. -___^ Passover is about as Christian as you get.

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Postby Mave » Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:42 pm

USSRGirl wrote:o.0 Don't sweat it, Mave. Nothing personal, just how your post sounded. *shrugz and hands Mave a throat lozenge to cure her of her 'speechless' state* o.o;;

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I guess I'm surprised at why we should wonder so much over a Happy Halloween greeting. Seems rather harmless to me. Anyway, in Asia we generally don't make a big deal about Halloween so I'll leave this discussion in peace. And oh thanks! XD *accepts lozenges and leaves thread whistling*
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:26 pm

mitsuki lover wrote:Of course the Celtic church was always correct on this point and the Roman church was always wrong.As they were on a lot of other things.

Must we seriously force this thread to garner reason to be locked?
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Postby USSRGirl » Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:31 pm

Mave wrote::grin:
I guess I'm surprised at why we should wonder so much over a Happy Halloween greeting. Seems rather harmless to me. Anyway, in Asia we generally don't make a big deal about Halloween so I'll leave this discussion in peace. And oh thanks! XD *accepts lozenges and leaves thread whistling*


So far as that goes, I agree. XD Sorry if I misread your earlier post. You're right about it not even being on par with a religious holiday. It's just become a secular, cultural day for people to dress up and get candy. Of course the smart ones wait for after Halloween to get clearance goodies... meat cleavers... fake blood... hair dye... Palmer's chocolate... oooooh. *wanders out of thread*
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