RPG doubt!?

[Macross]

:sweat: Ok.... I´ve been playing book RPG(like Vampire, D&D, Shadowrun, GURPS, Warewolf...)for quite some time, my friends who play with me, they like playing and are christian too, but all these years that we´ve been playng, lot´s of people have been telling us that this is wrong and all that:stressed: ....

Well this is the point I play it... I like it... I don´t see no harm in it.... but I wanto to make sure that I´m not wrong.

CAN YOU HELP!?!?!

[Angel37]

Wrong in what way?
-Angel of Zarn

[Locke]

like demonic wrong?



BTW: are u really brasillian?? if so w00t another brasilero ! u a carioca?

[Angel37]

Demonic wrong? What's an RPG have to do with that? No! It's not wrong! It's a game! I mean, it honestly depends on what you rp but if you're talking RPG's in general, absolutely not! But, then again, I have no idea exactly what you rp.
-Angel of Zarn

[Benu]

Yea I've had alot of people tell me that playing video games is wrong, watching anime, listening to chirstian rock, watching tv, reading manga, using a computer, using the internet, eating pork and shrimp, talking to unsaved people, talking to people that are not in my denomination, wearing striped shirts and ties, going to a non-christian school, Being jewish and christian is wrong, reading the torah is wrong, talking to girls is wrong, dating is wrong, liking girls is wrong.........I better stop because I'll be here all night if I go on. My point is if someone tells you it's wrong and God hasn't convicted you of it being wrong and as far as I know there is no commandment saying Thou Shalt Not Play Pen And Paper RPG's for it is an abomination to God or anywhere in the Bible that says it's wrong, then it's not wrong. But there are some RPG's we should not play if it tries to use real witchcraft or it goes against the Bible in more ways then one then I would stay away from games like that.

[Angel37]

LOL! Just out of curiosity, who told you that eating shrimp and wearing striped t-shirts and ties was wrong? and WHY? That is so hilarious...but I agree with you toally. I'm an old rpger myself looking for new action so I know what it's like....and what it shouldn't be like...
-Angel of Zarn

[Macross]

like a like demonic...

[Locke]

sorry if i came out the wrong way, but somepeople might call some rpgs demonic ya know? and i play some rpgs myself and found them to be a tempory escape

but as someone once said , An escape is good as long as there is a return.

[Benu]

LOL! Just out of curiosity, who told you that eating shrimp and wearing striped t-shirts and ties was wrong? and WHY? That is so hilarious...but I agree with you toally. I'm an old rpger myself looking for new action so I know what it's like....and what it shouldn't be like...

Some people really belive that in my denomination. But the shrimp and pork thing is a jewish thing but it's also in the Bible.

[Angel37]

I knew prok was, but shrimp? Explain the shirt thing to me...lol...so you're a Christian Jew? Cool! ^_^ So was my friend Erica in my beautiful homeland of Pennsylvania. *sighs* fond memories.....
-Angel of Zarn

[Macross]

sorry if i came out the wrong way, but somepeople might call some rpgs demonic ya know? and i play some rpgs myself and found them to be a tempory escape

but as someone once said , An escape is good as long as there is a return.

I agree....
mut so many people told me that i thout better go for some more opinions...

[Angel37]

Nope. You're alright as far as I can tell. *hugs Macross*
-Angel of Zarn

[Omega Amen]

I agree....
mut so many people told me that i thout better go for some more opinions...

Okay, did these "so many people" provide reasons or any good, solid, sound arguments for their accusations and condemnations?

Well, have they?

[madphilb]

This comes from D&D (and/or AD&D) being a Pen and Paper RPG and so many people calling it demonic in the 80's. Take whatever stories you might have heard about Harry Potter, the ones where people throw the books out or burn them and they hear demonic voices screeming from the trash/fire... people turning to satanism or witchcraft and casting spells, spells having been taken from actual demonic sacred texts, etc.... now change Harry Potter to D&D and you've got the same thing. (note: I've heard someone say once that some of the names used in D&D for spells and whatnot have connections to real things, this may or may not be true, but from everything I've seen of the game over the years, most of what people have said about the game are just wrong).

Anyway... Christians have this "guilty by association" thing in their heads most of the time.... for this reason when a Pen and Paper RPG for christians was developed around the they-day of D&D, it was pulled off the shelves amongst all the hoopla because it was a RPG, and RPGs are evil, aren't they?

Like anything, Anime, Video Games, Sports, etc.... you have to look at how the thing effects your life. I stopped playing D&D because the only person I knew to play with turned out in later years to be a satanist, and I didn't like how he played or his attitude about my style of play (I tend to play these things more to my own character..... i.e. - was playing a Cleric who was a "goody two-shoes" as this guy referred to him).

Look at the content of the game, if it's within what you consider acceptable (and your family if you're still under their superision, though you list your age as 21, so I'd guess not). I've heard odd things about the Vampire RPG that was popular (still is?) but it's all rumor and speculation and frankly the closest to a real source of info I have is my sister who used to play, I think, the other sources I consider unreliable for solid factual information on these sorts of things.

Does it take up too much of your time? D&D was bad for me while I was in school because I spent far too much time working on maps, reading the manuals, etc... my schoolwork suffered, etc. The game itself wasn't bad, just my handling of that item in my life. I've been at risk of having video games do the same thing, but i've got a better handle on priorities in my life now than I did then.

If you (or people close to you) notice a change in your attidue or actions when you've been playing, then I would say that you've got a problem and need to change your play style or stay away.

In the end in almost every case there is nothing evil about the games themselves (there are those that are questionable, but even then, I'm not sure if evil could be used to describe them by most people).

Education might be the way to go if the people who are telling you this are somewhat open-minded and are willing to discuss what their objections are.

This is similar to Anime, people will label it (as we've discussed here before) as one thing or another, but often it's done out of ignorance or by not understanding the subject itself.

In the end some people are going to believe what they want.... an (ex?)friend of mine took all the Pokemon out of her house and trashed it on the writings of one author who didn't even do a good research job on the subject, yet she didn't bother to check the information. There is no way she'll listen to the facts on such things, she's made up her mind and it's set reguardless of the facts... hmm... they had a name for that in my Ethics class... a fallacy.... anyway.

The people you play with makes a difference too... had I a Christian group to play with these years I might still be playing, yet I've not been able to even get any of my friends (well, when I had real life friends rather than you virtual ones) to play the Redemption CCG let alone anything as complicated as an RPG.

[Angel37]

*falls over and dies* That's like what We said only we like ten million more words...but I agree whole heartedly.
-Angel of Zarn

[kaji]

Madphilb seams to have put a lot of thought into this.
But basicaly not all things are "evil", but what you do with them can produce something "evil." However, you do have a duty as a Christian no to cause your fellow brothers to stumble. If some one has a serious conviction that this type of entertainment is biblicaly wrong than you should respect their conviction by not pushing it apon them or talking about it with them ect. But that does not mean that you need to allow their conviction rule you life (as you, being a Mature christian, have had no such conviction).
Now, on the other hand, if you have a new believer (or a "weaker" brother) who may missuse your RPG or take some part of the Vampire, Changeling, (whatever rpg you are playing) that ultimately causes them to stumble away from God, then you should not partake in the game with them.
Do you see where I am going with this?

[skynes]

D&D I know nothing about so I won't comment on it.

Vampire I've read the rule book the Camarilla and The Sabbat and I don't like it.
Main things that bugged me was that there is an actually a stat called 'OCCULT' which was (if I remember right) used not just for knowledge but for spells n stuff too.

For me when games start bringing in the occult that's where I draw the line. May be different for all of you, but I don't wanna risk it myself if there is actually something else involved.
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RPGs as a whole are ok, there are some questionable ones out there. You just have to be discerning about them.

[wiggins]

sorry if i came out the wrong way, but somepeople might call some rpgs demonic ya know? and i play some rpgs myself and found them to be a tempory escape

but as someone once said , An escape is good as long as there is a return.

Well put Locke! I agree, it depends on you. If you're going to get so wrapped up in the rpg that you forget everything from God to friends and family, then yes, it is wrong. If you know what's fiction and what's real, I don't see any problem. Also watch out to make sure the rpg doesn't contain occultic elements like magic that involves contacting demons or making contracts with demons and the such like. I generally stay awasy from rpgs like D&D, but that's because I get freaked out by some of them and others just give me a headache runnng around and not being able to find anything. But as I said before, as long as you know what's real, and what's important, and what's fiction and unimportant, and "return from your escape" you should be fine I think. I also agree wholeheartedly with Madphlib.

[wiggins]

sorry if i came out the wrong way, but somepeople might call some rpgs demonic ya know? and i play some rpgs myself and found them to be a tempory escape

but as someone once said , An escape is good as long as there is a return.

Well put Locke! I agree, it depends on you. If you're going to get so wrapped up in the rpg that you forget everything from God to friends and family, then yes, it is wrong. If you know what's fiction and what's real, I don't see any problem. Also watch out to make sure the rpg doesn't contain occultic elements like magic that involves contacting demons or making contracts with demons and the such like. I generally stay awasy from rpgs like D&D, but that's because I get freaked out by some of them and others just give me a headache runnng around and not being able to find anything. But as I said before, as long as you know what's real, and what's important, and what's fiction and unimportant, and "return from your escape" you should be fine I think. I agree wholehearytedly with madphlin too.

[Benu]

I knew prok was, but shrimp? Explain the shirt thing to me...lol...so you're a Christian Jew? Cool! ^_^ So was my friend Erica in my beautiful homeland of Pennsylvania. *sighs* fond memories.....

Yep shrimp as well it's one of the 613 laws of the Mizvot. It says somthing about not eating any shellfish or fish with an exoskelton or somthing like that because they are considerd unclean. Those 613 laws are biblicaly based too I belive. But I don't mean to gross anyone out but now that I think about it stuff like shrimp and lobster are like sea insects and some of them stay at the bottom of the ocean and feed of waste of other sea life I heard shrimp do that. When you eat lobster or shrimp it's kinda like eating a cocaroch.

And they say there is a dark line that runs down the back of the shrimp and that's there digestive track where there waste runs though. Sorry if I grossed anyone out but it is interesting when you think about. God really gave a good reason not to eat shrimp. As for the striped shirt and tie thing Angel I don't know anything about that one. I just know there are some churches in my denomination that think it's a sin to where striped stuff.

I don't know why they belive that way? I'm about as cluless on that one as you are. I know another 613 law of the mizvot is not too wear anything that is blended with cotten or wool I think. So polyester and cotten blends are evil and anyone who wears them is a sinner......just kidding:lol: But yea that one I can't figure out. But yea I am a Christian Jew I just found out like last year I was a Jew.

[Technomancer]

Me, I like shrimp and lobster. So good...

Anyways, if you're a reasonably well balanced person, I don't think there should ever be any problem. Some people go too far, but that has more to do with other problems they may be having in RL(like personal or family disturbances, etc). I've been playing AD&D and other games for years, and I've never met anyone that could be described as having gone too far.

[madphilb]

Madphilb seams to have put a lot of thought into this.

Let's just say it's not the first time I've had this conversation with someone

The principles are all similar when it comes to entertainment.

Along with that, pointing out a problem and not having a good answer to it is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, has been for years. And Ignorance.... and... well... you get the idea.

[DrNic]

You just need to ask yourself two simple questions:

1) Do you think its wrong?

2) Do you think God think its wrong?

Pray about it dude. The best expert on this sorta subject is the man himself and he's always there to listen.