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Postby ShiroiHikari » Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:26 am

Well, to me the designs were just a little wonky. It's not the idea of new designs that I have a problem with-- I think the ones they used did the job nicely, I just don't think they have much...aesthetic appeal. People are certainly right; the old designs would NOT have worked at all.

One thing I did like was Megatron being a jet instead of a gun. I mean, come on...a gun? That was interesting in the cartoon, but it wouldn't have worked at all in the movie.
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Postby Yeshua-Knight » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:55 am

i thought megatron was more along the lines of a space fighter craft rather than just a jet, perhaps the cybertron version of a jet? but in either case, yeah, i'm real glad he wasn't a laser pistol
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:56 pm

Great movie, but close to perfect? I think not.

For one thing, there are random plotholes in the film. Remember the last time we see Barricade? Right when he's driving down the freeway with Bonecrusher. After that, he just never appears again.

Not to mention that some of the action and lines were pretty bad. Nonetheless, it was an amazing movie, but no way "Close to perfect" by any means.
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Postby SolidÃ…rmor » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:58 pm

Mr. SmartyPants wrote:Great movie, but close to perfect? I think not.

For one thing, there are random plotholes in the film. Remember the last time we see Barricade? Right when he's driving down the freeway with Bonecrusher. After that, he just never appears again.

Not to mention that some of the action and lines were pretty bad. Nonetheless, it was an amazing movie, but no way "Close to perfect" by any means.



I do believe I said "No movie will ever be perfect, but for me it was pretty close"...if you're quoting me get it right if not then I apologize. I don't think you could have a sequel if the Autobots killed ALL the Decepticons. Granted Barricade was missing from the action, but I think his major role was like that of Frenzy which was Intel...not major combat. Perhaps? Since you pointed out the missing Barricade what happened to Scorpinok? Part of his tail gets blown off and he retreats, poof no more of him...at least for now.

I'm a big fan of the series and can accept the changes in the movie, the small holes here an there...seeing how it's for "Entertainment" value only. I can also respect your opinion Smarty...but don't go attacking someone else's opinion to affirm your own.

Maybe when Paramount approaches you to make the sequel you can make sure to leave out all the plotholes and bad lines? :P
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Postby Nate » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:09 pm

Mr. SmartyPants wrote:For one thing, there are random plotholes in the film. Remember the last time we see Barricade? Right when he's driving down the freeway with Bonecrusher. After that, he just never appears again.

Barricade is later seen alongside Bonecrusher in the freeway chase, but is not seen again throughout the reminder of the movie. It is possible that he may have survived, along with Starscream and Scorponok, though in the comic book adaptation, Barricade is destroyed by Optimus Prime after being thrown into a freeway support pillar.

So that leaves two Decepticons still alive: Starscream (shown leaving at the end of the movie) and Scorponok (sans tail).
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Postby Cognitive Gear » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:40 pm

I really enjoyed this film. My only comlaint is how little the transformers themselves said. I hope that the next film focuses a bit more on the transformers, rather than almost exclusively on the humans.

Also, the Autobots didn't really seem to care that they lost an ally. It was like "We lost an ally today, but, hey, we got some new friends, so it's all good!"

SolidÃ…rmor wrote:Maybe when Paramount approaches you to make the sequel you can make sure to leave out all the plotholes and bad lines? :P


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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:52 pm

You wrote:No movie will ever be perfect. But at least to me this one came close.

Me wrote:Great movie, but close to perfect? I think not.

you wrote:I do believe I said "No movie will ever be perfect, but for me it was pretty close"...if you're quoting me get it right if not then I apologize.

I believe I quoted you correctly, so I'm not apologizing for anything. XD

I can also respect your opinion Smarty...but don't go attacking someone else's opinion to affirm your own.

Attack? I don't see myself "attacking" anyone's opinion. I'm simply stating my own. Presenting a counter-opinion does not equate "attacking" an opinion at all.

SolidÃ…rmor wrote:Maybe when Paramount approaches you to make the sequel you can make sure to leave out all the plotholes and bad lines? :P

Just because I critique a film doesn't mean I have the skill to write or direct one. If that were the case, every film critic out there would also be film directors and/or writers.

Scorpinok had reason to not appear again seeing that he was wounded in combat. Barricade just... disappears for some reason. It felt unsatisfying for me. My theory is that Barricade was edited out due to time restrictions.

My main point is, the film was great. It was epic, spectacular, and worth buying in my opinion (And I do have a strict standard when it comes to buying films). But I would not consider this film "close to perfect" by any means.
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Postby Seppuku » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:17 am

nope not close to perfect at all. (perfect = Braveheart lol)

the only major thing that i really wanted, was some louder uber music during the fights rather than the silence.
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Postby SolidÃ…rmor » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:44 pm

No, you took a part of what I said and injected your "opinion" into it. I didn't say it was perfect...for EVERYONE, for myself...and only myself it was close to being a perfect movie. Like "Live Free or Die Hard", to me that movie was close to perfection as well, the only reason I say this is because it had everything I like in a movie.

You can critique a movie all you want, just don't take what I said and use it to justify your opinion. Which is what you did. If you thought that it was a great movie then that's you. I'm not saying "It wasn't just great, but perfect."

I myself have a strict guideline when it comes to movies as well. But, I don't cling to all the minor blurbs in a movie. Yeah I may notice them but it doesn't bother me. Not all critics are worth their weight in salt either.

The only movie that I really believe to be perfect...(by me now...) had Keiser Soze in it.
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Postby ShiroiHikari » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:56 pm

So, as much as I enjoyed this movie, is anyone else hoping that maybe they'll sign on someone else to direct the next installment (should there be one)?
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Postby Tenshi no Ai » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:01 pm

ShiroiHikari wrote:So, as much as I enjoyed this movie, is anyone else hoping that maybe they'll sign on someone else to direct the next installment (should there be one)?


There was a bit of talk on it on IGN here.

What I REALLY find interesting in other parts of IGN, is that Bay didn't even UNDERSTAND the Transformers database. For me personally, it wasn't nostalgia growing up, but was such a spectacular to witness! Something was said that he didn't get why people were cheering for a robot when he talked (aka Optimus). You'd think a director who made quite a successful movie and think about doing a sequel would understand the nostalgia and awsomeness of it. Even though I was never an early fan, well except for Beast Wars which was Canadian made from what I remember, Optimus was AWSOME when he spoke and pretty much every scene he was in^^ Maybe for the second one Bay will go "oooooh..." and stick in 100% more effort to make yet another awsome robot action flick^^ Not sure how they'd end it though, since the first had a sort of "grand ending"...
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Postby Roy Mustang » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:32 pm

Hmm, Ign sure is slow with the news.

They have already giving a green light for Transformers 2

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Postby Solid Ronin » Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:34 pm

ShiroiHikari wrote:So, as much as I enjoyed this movie, is anyone else hoping that maybe they'll sign on someone else to direct the next installment (should there be one)?



I am SUPER hoping they sign someone else on, James Cameron I think could be awesome. In fact If Bay is doing the second, I won't go see it out of fear.
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:34 am

SolidÃ…rmor wrote:No, you took a part of what I said and injected your "opinion" into it. I didn't say it was perfect...for EVERYONE, for myself...and only myself it was close to being a perfect movie. Like "Live Free or Die Hard", to me that movie was close to perfection as well, the only reason I say this is because it had everything I like in a movie.

Since when did I say it wasn't an absolutely not-close-to-perfect film? I said it wasn't close to perfect, of course that's my own opinion... I'm the one who said it.
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Postby Dai-go » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:08 am

Wow.
Alot has already been said and I'm so happy (should've seen it comin') they've given the green light for a sequel.
Granted, it'll be a couple of years for one, I think Michael Bay will do another one. This was too much of a money-maker for the studios. I mean, they practically debuted a new Chevy car for this movie. XD Not many people get to do that.

I intentionally stayed away from all the fan hype because of people saying "it's gunna be a horrible movie, they're not going to do so-so right, or "this is gunna be wrong"

I'm just happy that Megatron wasn't a huge gun. XD And fit into the jet category. :P Nice twist. I didn't mind the focus being on the kid rather than the robots. We're seeing it from a human perspective. Visitors come to our world. Not the other way around (which would be a nice twist. XD)

Anyways, I was satisfied as a fan that they didn't kill EVERY Decepticon off, and some just showed up for kicks. Scorpinoc? Happy he didn't die, but happy that he showed up and was just like, never heard of again. He'll show up to get his tail back. :P

Astetically pleasing robots? Of course. They're not clunky. Just surprised that most of them had lips. Especially Optumus. XD I forgive them.

All in all? Humor, action, and more comedy. Best movie I've seen all summer.
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Postby creed4 » Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:29 am

At the end I thought [spoiler=] that the made an opening for Galvatron to come in [/spoiler]
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Postby Nate » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:07 am

I also hope someone else signs on for this movie...I loved this movie, but I also think lightning won't strike twice, if you catch my drift. I don't want a horrible sequel. I want it to be like Spider-Man 2, how the sequel was way better than the first movie.

I also hope the sequel focuses more on the Transformers and less on the humans. The Transformers themselves had so little screen time in this movie. Starscream was only present for a couple of minutes, and I think Ratchet had like what, two lines? So yeah, the second movie should definitely focus more on the Transformers and the Great War rather than the humans.
Dai-go wrote:OH! By the way.
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Wow, that was the worst rendition of the Transformers theme I've ever heard. I'd rather have a drunken monkey perform a root canal on me without anesthesia in the middle of Death Valley in July than listen to that song a second time. I'd rather crawl in the stomach of a five day old beached whale. I mean, it's just absolutely TERRIBLE. I'm glad it wasn't in the movie because the movie already had freaking lousy music...*coughLinkinParkcough*.

The fact that they're a Christian band makes it even worse. Way to make Christian music look even MORE terrible in the eyes of non-Christians, guys!

They should have used the Lion theme from the original movie. Heck, that one by Deceptibot was pretty rad too...better than Mute Math's version, at least.

Then again my cats fighting sound better than Mute Math's version, so that's a moot point I suppose.
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Postby Yeshua-Knight » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:22 am

creed4 wrote:At the end I thought [spoiler=] that the made an opening for Galvatron to come in [/spoiler]


galvatron is megatron, in the old 80's movie he and some of the other decepticons were transformed by unicron

i'm thinkin' that in the sequel they might just go with starscream as the new leader of the decepticons, or maybe they'll spin it in such a way that there was a group of decepticons in hiding under the vessel or just one large decepticon to retrieve the body of megatron
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Postby Nate » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:27 am

I'm a bit frightened that they may try to do Unicron in the second movie, which would of course set the stage for Megatron to be reborn as Galvatron.

I say I'm frightened because if they DO try and do Unicron, it's so easy to get it totally wrong.
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Postby Yeshua-Knight » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:30 am

yeah, i'm kinda hoping that maybe instead they'll just do a new story so long as it keeps within the continuity of the original transformers story
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:42 am

Dai-go wrote:OH! By the way.
Listen to the track that never made it into the movie, even though it's awesome.
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Just stop the youtube video playing and you'll be able to hear it fine.

Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhhh... That was really bad. I'm glad it didn't make it in the movie. XD
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Postby Bobtheduck » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:21 pm

I loved this...

The old cartoon was fine for little kids, but those kids have grown up...

There was never really any threat in the old cartoon (the "movie" cartoon not included in that) so I'm glad that this movie made the decepticons seem more threatening. What I didn't like, of course, was the very anime-like fanservice... Bah... I also don't like that I can't show this to my parents, since the language is way over the top for them...

In any case, I liked it... I'll buy it (on bluray, since I want to have a collection of Bluray movies for when I have my HDTV)

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In any case... Yeah... It was awesome, but not without ubercheese and cheesecake.
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:10 pm

Bobtheduck wrote:@Ryan

Um... You're too young to remember the transformers cartoon, aren't you? Yeah, that is just a cover of the original song (well, the two different openings combined) I was actually a LITTLE disappointed not to hear that... Not too much.

In any case... Yeah... It was awesome, but not without ubercheese and cheesecake.

Yeah I don't think I watched the original cartoon, though I did watch some of the more newer 90s ones when I was a kid.
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Postby WrestlingOtaku » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:52 pm

I saw it yesterday and I thought it was great!! :D

I'll probably go and see it again sometime next week with my sis. Also, Starscream is still the greatest Transformer ever.
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Postby MasterDias » Fri Jul 13, 2007 1:49 pm

I saw it, I liked it, although the transformers could have had more speaking lines. The movie seemed mostly focused on the humans, at least for a good portion of it.
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Postby Hitokiri » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:54 am

This was the best movie since Lord of the Rings for me. I loved this film.

I loved everything about this movie. The battle scenes. The characters (Shia LeBouf showed me that he's done being a Disney actor). The CGI. The music. The Transformers. All the nerdy refrences.

It was a very enjoyable movie across the board, for diehard fans to new fans to people who never heard of the series. I loved some of the bad dialouge. It made it alot more fun.

My only gripes was the plotholes but it didn't bother me much. As well, the lead actress role. She was pretty but also her protrayed her character very good. However, despite all the robot rambling, fighting, and destroying....her hair and makeup are intact the entire film! It drove my fiance and me insane haha. As well, when Jazz died...I was like..."Wait.....who is that again?" Unless you were either paying exztreme attention to the start or knew the series...alot of the transformers appeared to close in appearences. As well, the only characters were formed a connection with was Optimus, Megatron, and Bumblebee. As well, I wish the friction between Megatron and Starscream was realized more fully.

Overall though, an amazing film that made my inner nerd giggle.
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Postby Sapphire225 » Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:02 pm

As a transformer fan, I had been waiting for the movie for about a year. And, thankfully, Micheal Bay did not let us down.
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Postby Mave » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:08 am

Pardon the grave digging but I've only recently watched the movie (like....a week ago?). Heard the hype about it, gave it a try, watched it a second time and now, am in agreement that Michael Bay and his team did a great job.

I'm not a transformers nerd but I do remember remnants of the original cartoon. I totally appreciate what they did to Megatron (they made him deliciously despicable and truly horrifylng, IMO). Hearing Peter Cullen's voice as Optimus Prime made me relive my childhood memories. I also welcomed the human perspective given in this movie because it helped me to appreciate these alien robots better (the parents' house part made me laughed out loud a few times).

This is a movie I would personally purchase to watch over and over again along with movies such as Jurassic Park, Gladiator and the LOTR.
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Postby rocklobster » Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:31 am

I hated seeing Jazz die. He was one of my favorites.
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