Corrupt Christian music

Postby **Technomancer** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:12 pm

shooraijin wrote:No, where was that posted?

I have no idea; I was asking because I'm honestly curious. Maybe Bing Crosby without the raciness?

Postby **madphilb** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:32 pm

Frankly I closed the window rather quickly.. .I've read too much of this sort of bile in the past to bother with it.

People like Swaggard preached this sort of thing for years, and look where it got him. :p

Frankly I'd question what effect they are having on the world... people complain about a lack of relevance to modern times in reference to Christianity and the Bible, yet these sort of people seem to promote a complete lack of relevance (yet hold to equally screwed up ideals, such as styles of music that where once used for far less religious things... I'd respect them more if at least they where chanting in Hebrew).

Now if you'll excuse me while I put on some Wierd Al, that site bummed me out a bit

Postby **Stephen** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 7:36 pm

Its Shatterhearts blunt comment of the night.

That site has been around a while, there are countless ones just like them...and there all full of crap. There gonna be the types that reach Heaven and say. But Lord, we did all these things in YOUR name. And we all know what there reward will be. I have a very short fuse for sites like that...theres another one run my some lunatic pastor...erm claims to be a pastor..I know its not for the Lord. Anyway kiddos...ignore sites like that...let people run there mouths and look like idiots. It seems some people in this world...thats all there good at.

Postby **cbwing0** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 8:15 pm

I'm torn...do I spend my time preparing answers to the nonsense on the site, or do I not waste my time, and just give my reaction?

Well it's late, so I will just say that it's garbage.

Postby **Zarn Ishtare** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 8:20 pm

IT is somtimes better not to answer a fool in his own wisdom, for then he will consider himself wise...but Somtimes a man must answer to show others what comes of these things. I agree that the strength of men cannot aid this, yet I wrote what I believe God directed me to, so I may have a greater chance of reaching these people. Shatterheart, remember that we must love them, even though their foolishness is great. Hm, you already know that, I guess, but there are some who need to be reminded...We must give love, even if all we recieve is hate.

Postby **MasterDias** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 8:42 pm

That site seriously annoys me.

Ah well.
People are entitled to their own opinion, no matter how messed up it is.

Postby **Mave** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 9:23 pm

heh, just had a thought, if this person can't stand any christian music, she'll *flip* over anime and manga then. :sweat:

I think it's a good idea NOT to mention CAA at all.

Postby **supa dupa ninja** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 9:46 pm

sorry to say this dudes but I have never listened to christian rock...
thinking that there all wuses (no offense! ) I'm just gonna try and borrow some cd's from my friend

Postby **glitch1501** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 10:27 pm

supa dupa ninja wrote:sorry to say this dudes but I have never listened to christian rock...
thinking that there all wuses (no offense! ) I'm just gonna try and borrow some cd's from my friend

you should really look into it, there are alot of talented artists out there,

that site i found kind of wierd, insane almost...im tired.. :bootout:

Postby **Enthralled** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:01 am

Haha, she'd probably think me and the band that I'm in are Satan worshippers hahahaha!

Postby **Zilch** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:54 am

DEMON...HUNTER?!?! EVIL BEINGS! THOU ART CONDEMNED TO THINE DOOM IN THE FIREY HADES MADE FOR THE EVIL ONES LIKE THINESELF!

Why do they say rock was originated in pagan roots? Yeah, I can just imagine some voodoo dudes making a bass from monkey intestine and drums from elephant skins...

Postby **Mr. Rogers** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:48 am

the person who made this site has problems. the arguements are pathetic at best. i'd like to see what would happen if the maker of this took all the judgements he heaps on others and measured himself with them. it'd be a different story then.

Postby **Straylight** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:55 am

Mave wrote:heh, just had a thought, if this person can't stand any christian music, she'll *flip* over anime and manga then. I think it's a good idea NOT to mention CAA at all.

It is only a matter of time.

Postby **skynes** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 5:52 am

Demon Hunter are cool...

Rock, both secular AND Christian has it's roots in the black church. Not satanic church

But you know those churches that are 90% black ppl that are always dancing and oyu can't sit still in one? Those.
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Technomancer- LOL! That's a cool way to put it! a 6.0.... LOL!!!

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Something that bugs me about the site is that they get names wrong. They got the members of DC Talks names wrong a few times, yet are able to quote Beatles and Black Sabbath history perfectly :S they also pull a lot of things out of context.
Pillar said they like eating babies, mostly barbequed. it was a JOKE! They weren't serious yet she has it down as serious!

Postby **Zarn Ishtare** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:18 am

Umm...Actually, no. Your very wrong there skynes. Let me trace this: In Ancient Scotland, and in other places in Europe, there was Celtic music...And it stayed with the people of those countrys even after they came to the new world, and made music after that fashion. Now, for those who settled in the hills and mountains, this evolved into Bluegrass. Bluegrass evantually became country music. Now, country music is what Rock evolved out of, after combining with the sounds of blues, jazz, and other things that have their roots in bluegrass. And that is why Celtic music is the best, becuase without it, we wouldn't have half the types of music we do now....

Postby **Michael** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:57 am

It's a start. I wouldn't represent it as 'Corrupt Christian music' but as 'bad music period'. The Passion arguments aren't all that strong, but they're on the right track; Roman Catholoscism is only the tip of the iceberg.

Postby **churchgirl111** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:59 am

OKAY THIS SITE IS MAKING ME VERY VERY ANGRY!!
sorry had to let that out!

I was reading the site regarding Michael W. Smith's "compromises and water down gospel" of the christian faith. and Dc Talks "straying away" and "backsliding" because withthin their concerts people with piercing's and Tatoos come....OOOOOOOO big shocker...

Sorry correct me if I'm wrong didn't Jesus say that it is the Sick who need help not those who already think their good enough...and i mean I don't really care bout piercings or nothing...no offense to those who have them...but do looks really matter that much!

Personally this person is looking to stay out of the world and live in a little hollow...

Jesus said for us to not conform to the world but to preach the gospel...and of course I'm not saying go all into to drugs so we can have something to talk about with druggies or do witchcraft to talk to witches...

But if she can't stand people are unique and different then she is not only living out of the world but is losing communication with the world! Jesus assosciated with sinners..as he does now...WHY CAN'T WE??? I mean Jesus did and he didn't become a sinner like the Pharisee's and pagan said...so Aren't we to follow HIS EXAMPLE???!!!!!

this person reminds me of a Pharisee..one who thinks she has the right to judge others "How can you get rid of a speck in your friend's eye if their is a log in your own?"

Okay that's my two cents...Praise God that he gives us difficult people and sinners (including me) so that we may know His love and grace all the more! :dance:

Postby **churchgirl111** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:05 am

Zilch wrote:DEMON...HUNTER?!?! EVIL BEINGS! THOU ART CONDEMNED TO THINE DOOM IN THE FIREY HADES MADE FOR THE EVIL ONES LIKE THINESELF!

Why do they say rock was originated in pagan roots? Yeah, I can just imagine some voodoo dudes making a bass from monkey intestine and drums from elephant skins...

LOL Zilch..hmm....should make for interesting music...personally I don't see why people care about Type of music... if they say that traditional hymns are the "true" music of the gospel they're ignorant..

Today we don't even have many of the instruments used in the old testament and new testament...as they have been replaced or destroyed...
and if God says make a joyful noise...He does not specify how or with what instruments...

Ignorance may be bliss but it can be the downfall fo many!

Postby **churchgirl111** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:08 am

sorry forgot to add something regarding the person's Corrupt Christian music website:

I respect this person's beliefs of what she believes...but I don't condone any of it and strongly disagree with it...but she is entitled and proabably believes what she is writing is both true and should be known...

Just wanted to add that! :sweat:

Postby **Michael** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:08 am

<but do looks really matter that much!>

Yes they do. The Bible commands that you not desecrate your flesh. Pierceing angers me more than tattoos though. Men shouldn't pierce their ears. At this stage of history, only women should.

<Jesus assosciated with sinners..as he does now...WHY CAN'T WE??? I mean Jesus did and he didn't become a sinner like the Pharisee's and pagan said...so Aren't we to follow HIS EXAMPLE???!!!!!>

Jesus was God. He knew their hearts. We should not associate with sinners outside of the Gospel. If we share the Gospel with them; fine, we should. But they are on the road to Hell, and we don't even have enough oil to keep our candles alight. We can't save sinners.

Postby **churchgirl111** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:19 am

I understand with what your coming from... and I understand how you feel...I definitely agree with not participating in their actions as they are ignorant of their sin... However I have pagan friends (literally pagan) and though I don't participate in their actions and they have tried to get me too...They respect my decision of faith and some have even asked about God and Jesus too because of it!!!

This is of course my personal opinion...I believe that staying sorrounded by those who share my faith is a must...but I also believe that making friends with those who are on a hell bent road is also of equal importance.

Like I said my personal opinion and if people disagree with me that's fine and if I'm wrong in this area..I pray God will reaveal the truth in this area. And i mean that with the upmost sincerity!

Postby **Michael** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:26 am

I don't think we should hide under a rock, but tolerance is a dangerous word. Ultimately it's the Bible that decides our policy's, and even then that's not our policy, it's God's. Oh well, thanks for being mature.

Postby **Hitokiri** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:42 am

i just read that site.....

I'm friends wiht tons of sinners that they condemn so does that make me a "dsipicable and evil" as they are? (from the article on Third Day).

I just read more into it and I laughed my head off! My gosh, Relient K? Beanbag? Rebecaa St. James?? Come on guys...find something better to do then judge people on how they look and who they hang aorund with!

Postby **Shao Feng-Li** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:44 am

this is so stupid. this guy is a fault finder. How can you bash third day? have these people even listened to their music. sure, christian artists arent perfect, but who is? oh my poor jars of clay and rich mullins! have they no respect? bashing a dead christin guy! *sigh* but the bible does say that bad company corrupts good judgment.

Postby **Mave** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:15 am

I've been thinking.

Perhaps the question is not whom we mix with but what we DO when we are with them.

Ex:

If I hung out with my non believer friends, I could choose to:
1) Go with them to a bar, maybe take a drink or two and chat with them
2) Or I could decline to go to the bar, but agree to eat out somewhere else and still chill with them

Option 1) seems like the stumbling block option because I chose to follow the crowd
Option 2) I still maintain my friendship with them but I don't compromise my do's and don'ts.

In the case of christian artists, I personally think it's fine to hang out with secular bands but they must be careful not to be influenced by them (i.e. they need to be wiser with whom they chose to be associated with and watch how they act around the secular ones). If they maintain their stand as christians, ppl will notice the difference (well at least I hope they do). I think a christian artist is in trouble once they start doing things that's the secular band does...piercing?? Social smoking? Bodysurfing? Everyone to their own conviction but everyone's gotta watch out for the small things coz they can be a catalyst to more serious sins.

Jesus hanged out with sinners but he never compromised holiness. That made the difference. Just my two cents. ^^ Opinions are welcomed.

Postby **Hitokiri** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:19 am

well I can see where they are coming from that they view these artists as leaders in the Christian community and they should act as role modles but then again they are not all perfect and the writers of the site focuses on that aspect. I just feel sorry for a unbeliver, reads the site and assumes all christians are hyprocrites and stuck up people.

I read what they thought of Lord of the Rings. I had to restrain myself from emailing them and bashing on them. ::rollseyes::

Postby **GeoChansey** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:27 am

At the least, this is a very interesting page. I'd have to agree with Ruroken though... you can find the unGodly in anything if you look hard enough it seems.

Postby **madphilb** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:56 am

Michael wrote:It's a start. ....

Really an un-called for post Michael, and I think you know it too. :mutter:

Postby **Hitokiri** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:03 pm

oh yeah by the way, they called C.S. Lewis an Occultist ::rollseyes::

Postby **Kireihana** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:15 pm

Lol, that site makes me mad and makes me laugh at the same time, it's that rediculous. No where in the Bible does it say that the worshipping of God is restricted to looking sombre and singing songs that sound like funeral marches. (and woe to the thought of actually drinking alcoholic beverages! I'm sure Jesus actually drank Juicy Juice at the Last Supper.)

Anyhoo, as piercing and tattooing was mentioned earlier in this thread (and in some of the reviews on that site), here's my take on it:

I see absolutely nothing wrong with body piercing. As long as it doesn't endanger your physical health, I think it's fine. I mean, piercing parts of your body only to attract attention (mainly the opposite sex) is wrong, but piercing your ears, eyebrows, nose, etc. I have no problem with. If women can pierce their ears, why can't men? Aren't women and men equal in God's eyes?

Tattoos... in my opinion, they're not much different than piercing. Both piercing and tattooing are "changing" your body from the way it originally was. Your body is a temple of God, and so long as you are not defiling it (like tattooing yourself with occult stuff, etc.) I think there's nothing wrong with tattooing or piercing. It [i]does[i] look rediculous when overdone, though.

By the way, J.R.R. Tolkien was Roman Catholic as well, and a close friend of C.S. Lewis. I wonder why they didn't take any time to bash him as well. (if they did, I didn't see it)

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