No Anime on Adult Swim?

[ChristianKitsune]

So the AS debate has reached here as well?

Roy Mustang, don't exaggerate. Futurama isn't even on Saturday nights anymore and Bleach is actually doing pretty well now that it's hit it's good episodes.

The ratings are gathered from Nielsen boxs. Antique, dated things randomly installed in televisions where one counts for a certain number of televisions in the thousands. It's a highly flawed system that for some reason we still use.

Also, AS advertises their comedy like it's going out of style (Futurama, anyone?) whereas anime gets one or two commercials a night, usually when anime is showing. Hopefully Shin-chan will show that anime can be as funny as it can be serious and ressurect anime on AS, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

And Comedy night is as good as Action night... if only Action night didn't have Comedy in it ><. Still, I delight in watching Saul of the Mole Men and Moral Orel.

I am not a huge fan of AS comedy...I watch a few episodes of Robot Chicken, Family Guy and Futurama...Sometimes the Boondocks too...But no offence but everything else, like TADASGJ and SOTMM just seem to insult my intelligence...and stuff.. >_>

Sooo I really can't see WHY these shows are doing that well... it floors my mind...but I won't go into that, since you are a fan of them..^^;

ANYWAYS I always wondered how the ratings were measured, so there is a box in my TV that sends out a signal that I am watching CN?

well shoot, I leave my tv on CN ALL the time... XD (That, or Fox News)

[Roy Mustang]

Futurama isn't even on Saturday nights anymore and Bleach is actually doing pretty well now that it's hit it's good episodes.

Yes, I know that Futurama is not on Saturday nights anymore. But Bleach is still behind, but they are closing in, since Futurama is off now.


They had just about an all anime block on Saturday night at one time and it flop.

Maybe people would rather buy DVDs or watch their anime on Youtube, rather than wait an entire week to watch anime on a network that dogs on it all the time...*Shrugs*

That is a big reason. Alot of anime fans don't want to wait and watch it on tv.

The other part is, you have some that will not watch it in dub format.



Col. Roy Mustang

[Nate]

The other part is, you have some that will not watch it in dub format.

That's what I was thinking is the elitist anime fans who hate all dubs (even good ones) won't watch them, and that's why anime is doing poorly.

ANYWAYS I always wondered how the ratings were measured, so there is a box in my TV that sends out a signal that I am watching CN?

Only if you have a "Set Meter" installed in your TV, which is connected to a phone line that sends ratings information to Nielsen. If you don't have one of those, your ratings information doesn't get recorded.

Though the Set Meters don't get much use these days, ratings are mostly determined by ratings diaries, which works much as it sounds. The person writes down what they were watching during the week, and mail it to Nielsen.

[mitsuki lover]

Since G4 no longer airs Anime Unleashed the only other alternative for anime or anything close to it is to watch shows like Digimon on Toon Disney.
Quite frankly I have been working on plan B for some time now.I also have plan C in place.Plan C is I use my Army of Borg to assimilate the casts of
Silent Mobius and Inuyasha and force them to do my favorite episodes endlessly.
Ok.to be serious though,my plan B,and I do have a plan B,is to keep watching Digimon on Toon Disney and also to continue to buy and otherwise acquire as much anime DVDs as possible and watch them.
btw:I do agree that anime hasn't been advertised as much lately as it has been in the past.

[MasterDias]

That's what I was thinking is the elitist anime fans who hate all dubs (even good ones) won't watch them, and that's why anime is doing poorly.

The logic is solid, but I'm not sure if this is quite as much of an issue here as it appears. The elitist fans tend to be quite vocal on internet forums, but I'm inclined to think there's as many or more anime fans who don't care either way as long as it's fairly well acted and there are likely quite a few(in particular casual fans and the more mainstream audiance AS strives to attract) who probably prefer dubs over the original Japanese.
I doubt it's significant enough to affect AS ratings that much...

Though the Set Meters don't get much use these days, ratings are mostly determined by ratings diaries, which works much as it sounds. The person writes down what they were watching during the week, and mail it to Nielsen.

People actually do this? I would probably forget or not care enough to bother.

[jon_jinn]

You would't say that if Chuck Norris liked anime.

Anyway, if Adult Swim gets rid of its Saturday Anime block, what other channels on cable have anime?

isn't there an "Anime Channel" that hosts only anime shows? or is that in Japan? well anyways, i think this is a joke. but i don't really care cause i don't have cable and i'm also not allowed to stay up past 10 PM (unless it's a special occasion).

[Roy Mustang]

isn't there an "Anime Channel" that hosts only anime shows? or is that in Japan? well anyways, i think this is a joke. but i don't really care cause i don't have cable and i'm also not allowed to stay up past 10 PM (unless it's a special occasion).

You have anime network and Funimation Channel, but you must have the digital cable plan or a satellite dish to get those channels.


Col. Roy Mustang

[JesusFreak84]

AZN also airs anime, but little of it. Also, I don't know of any non-digtal-cable way to get it.

[Fish and Chips]

Only time I've personally caught an Anime not on Cartoon Network (and not a Miyazaki movie, those pop up everywhere) was on some kind of Asian channel, and it was the end of Revolutionary Girl Utena. Uh, "Yeah"...

I'm aware there are other Anime channels, but I haven't been able to track them down on the TV.

[JesusFreak84]

Cartoon Network is the only "regular" airer of anime I can think of that most basic cable providers carry.

Funmation has some anime in the TV Shows section of the iTunes music store, though...

[Mr. SmartyPants]

I refuse to count Shin-chan as anime. Wreched show. >_<

It's better than some other animes playing on AS...

[Tommy]

It's better than some other animes playing on AS...

That show has had its moments.

[ChristianKitsune]

I actually sort of like Shin-Chan...^^; I mean not the perverted things, but it's like an anime form of Family guy...

I like all the pop culture references.. ^^;

[samuraidragon]

Anyway, if Adult Swim gets rid of its Saturday Anime block, what other channels on cable have anime?

Let's all get some money together and make our own channel! All Anime All the Time!â„¢

We could run dubs and subs and everything! It would be great! *chases a butterfly*

[Jessi Ray]

I think CN's anime has lost ratings becuase they're just not playing it like they used to.

I mean I remember the good old days when saturdays were an anime fan's dream.

You had Toonami playing dragon ball, kenshin, gundam, and Yu Yu hakusho.

And you had AS playing Inuyasha, Cowboy Beebop, Gost in the shell, trigun, wolfs rain, and case closed!

Yep. Those were the days.

Anime was dead for a while after that line-up stoped. Then it had a breif ranasaince when FMA, Erecka 7, and FLCL started. Now those serries are over.

Then Naruto came and he got such great ratings that toonami dosn't think about any other anime hardly. Yeah. Ok. You give us a curddy one peice dubb, then you take thats dubb off and give us the Prince of Tennis, which would be a good thing, if they didn't give me a headeache every time.

There's my 2 cents on the ratings issue. I don't have the chance to buy many anime DVD's, and my internet's slow so I just pick up a manga at Barnes & Noble whenever I can.

But yea.. thats a joke. CN's making a boatload off of Naruto so I don't think they would entirely lose faith in anime.

Sorry for the long rant. O_O'

[Tommy]

[quote="ChristianKitsune"]I actually sort of like Shin-Chan...^^]

As far as the anime form of Family Guy goes, when discussing pop culture references I would probably say you were correct to a certain degree but the nature of the show itself is far different.

[KhakiBlueSocks]

Let's all get some money together and make our own channel! All Anime All the Time!â„¢

We could run dubs and subs and everything! It would be great! *chases a butterfly*

On that very odd, random, and medication-inspired note...::watches Samuari Dragon chasing butterflies::

It would stand to reason that if this movie Adult Swim is promoting doesn't do well, then they won't be able to purchase any anime licenses for a while...am I right in thinking this way?

[Roy Mustang]

AZN also airs anime, but little of it. Also, I don't know of any non-digtal-cable way to get it.

AZN and IFC are on a digtal cable plan. Just a few months ago on an e-mail list that I'm on. A person up north posted and ask if dish network carried AZN, because comcast took AZN off their digtal cable plan.

So, if you do get the digtal cable plan, you may still not get channels like AZN or IFC.

The cable company and dish network in my area hasn't put up Funimation Channel and anime network is only VOD and they don't have a linear feed.

It would stand to reason that if this movie Adult Swim is promoting doesn't do well, then they won't be able to purchase any anime licenses for a while...am I right in thinking this way?

In way, yes. If they lose money on this, they will have to look at what money they have and where to put the money into.


Col. Roy Mustang

[RedMage]

I think CN's anime has lost ratings becuase they're just not playing it like they used to.

They stopped playing it like they used to because it lost ratings.

Anime was dead for a while after that line-up stoped. Then it had a breif ranasaince when FMA, Erecka 7, and FLCL started.

That implies those three series started around the same time, which they didn't.

[Blitzkrieg1701]

They stopped playing it like they used to because it lost ratings.

I think CN's anime has lost ratings becuase they're just not playing it like they used to.

Correct me if I'm remembering this wrong, but the all-amine line up was such a flop that they had to change it after just a few WEEKS, right? (and save it by adding Futurama, no less)

[Roy Mustang]

Correct me if I'm remembering this wrong, but the all-amine line up was such a flop that they had to change it after just a few WEEKS, right? (and save it by adding Futurama, no less)

Yes, you are correct that it was a big flop. Even AS ran a bump card a few days after the all anime lineup was a big flop.




Col. Roy Mustang

[RedMage]

Correct me if I'm remembering this wrong, but the all-amine line up was such a flop that they had to change it after just a few WEEKS, right? (and save it by adding Futurama, no less)

You had the quotes reversed in your post. Just wanted to point out.

[mitsuki lover]

IMO it must not have been too much of a flop as they went back to it after awhile.
Really it would work if:A)they gave it more time and B)they rotated their anime
around every so often.Certainly airing the same series all the time is probably what killed it the first time around.If they had simply done what AU used to do and rotate
anime around once every few months then people wouldn't get so tired.Of course this would be easier with those titles that have 26 or less episodes.

[rocklobster]

Then Naruto came and he got such great ratings that toonami dosn't think about any other anime hardly. Yeah. Ok. You give us a curddy one peice dubb,

Um, CN isn't to blame for the One Piece dub. That's 4Kids' fault.

[Blitzkrieg1701]

Backwards, you say? Sorry, I am.

IMO it must not have been too much of a flop as they went back to it after awhile.
Really it would work if:A)they gave it more time and B)they rotated their anime
around every so often.Certainly airing the same series all the time is probably what killed it the first time around.If they had simply done what AU used to do and rotate
anime around once every few months then people wouldn't get so tired.Of course this would be easier with those titles that have 26 or less episodes.

You've got a point there. A good chunk of that lineup had already been rerun several times.

If they REALLY want to get more anime viewership, I think AD needs work out some way to get new shows on American TV sooner. The internet/importing/DVDs progression takes a good chunk out of the shows' main demographic now. Compare that to the homegrown stuff that goes pretty much straight to the TV. Just a thought...

[freerock1]

My $.02...

I tend to think the threat is just a joke to try to bring more people into the ATHF movie. Really, if there isn't that much overlap between comedy and action fans, would the people who will see the ATHF movie really care if AS loses anime?

AS likes to crack on its anime fans due to the fact that comedy typically pulls in better ratings, and that many of us anime fans admittedly tend to take the format too seriously. But here's my thought: Adult Swim is the #1 network in its demographic during the hours it airs. That means the entire 7-8 hour block, 6 nights a week, which includes anime and comedy alike. I really don't think anime is the liability that they sometimes make it out to be.

Anyway, if Adult Swim gets rid of its Saturday Anime block, what other channels on cable have anime?

Some of these have already been mentioned...
- AZN Television (though it's only on digital cable in most areas, and they've scaled back quite a bit on the time they devote to anime)
- IFC (has aired 3 series so far and has been fairly generous with the time slots)
- Anime Network (though it's only available as a full-time channel in a limited number of towns. Most major digital cable operators do offer some of their programming on-demand, though.)
- FUNimation Channel (though it's available 24/7 in even fewer cities than Anime Network is. It is also available in a handful of cities as a free over-the-air channel, if you have a digital TV.)
- Colours TV (available on Dish Network. They air a nightly block of FUNimation programming.)
- ImaginAsian TV (only available in a limited number of areas)
- Encore Action (available on most cable and satellite systems as part of a movie tier package or subscription to the Starz! movie channel)
- Encore WAM! (available on most cable and satellite systems as part of a movie tier package or subscription to the Starz! movie channel)

Just a quick note about Encore Action and Encore WAM! if you have satellite... This weekend (through April 22), both DirecTV and Dish Network are offering a free preview of the Starz! movie packages, which include Encore Action and Encore WAM! So you may be able to check out some of the anime programming they offer during that time.

Maybe AS just drove the fans away? I mean...it seems a bit wierd to me, that the anime/manga industry is still growing...but ratings like this occur.

Maybe people would rather buy DVDs or watch their anime on Youtube, rather than wait an entire week to watch anime on a network that dogs on it all the time...*Shrugs*

For a while I thought anime was starting to do poorly in the US because of the ratings on Adult Swim..but I have been proven wrong XD..

I know I'm coming at this with a glass half-full perspective... But personally, I think it goes back to the fact that AS is #1 in its timeslot as a whole, including the hours it airs anime. A lot of networks would probably love to have the ratings that even the anime pull in.

Also, I think that probably a lot of people have gotten addicted to anime because of AS. I'm one of them. ]I actually sort of like Shin-Chan...^^[/QUOTE]
I agree. Personally I think it's a very funny show, but I really wish they'd clean up their mouths.

As far as the anime form of Family Guy goes, when discussing pop culture references I would probably say you were correct to a certain degree but the nature of the show itself is far different.

I'd agree with this also. Shin-Chan reminds me more of South Park, in that it has little kids who are knowledgeable about some adult topics, as well as the cultural references. But Shin-Chan doesn't come off as mean-spirited or try to be a social commentary the way South Park does.

Really it would work if:A)they gave it more time...

You may be right here. In the past that when they would make a Saturday schedule change, ratings would fall off. Then they would slowly start rising again, eventually making it to 400,000 or so for the top shows, which is a respectable number. But AS would change the schedule again, and the ratings would fall off. And this cycle would continue.

...and B)they rotated their anime around every so often.Certainly airing the same series all the time is probably what killed it the first time around.

I would be careful on this point. Right when FMA was at its peak (consistently pulling in between 400,000 & 600,000 a week -- and GitS wasn't doing too badly either), they switched up the schedule, premiering Samurai Champloo, and ratings fell shortly thereafter. FMA was pulled at the halfway point, because AS wanted to premiere the rest of the episodes later in the year. If AS wanted to hold off on the rest of the episodes, personally I think they would have been better off rerunning the first 26 eps again. I tend to think that pulling FMA entirely really killed off the momentum it had going, and Saturdays have never been the same since.

Anyway that's my $.02...

[Roy Mustang]

I think CN's anime has lost ratings becuase they're just not playing it like they used to.

I mean I remember the good old days when saturdays were an anime fan's dream.

You had Toonami playing dragon ball, kenshin, gundam, and Yu Yu hakusho.

Kenshin and Yu Hakusho all failed to bring in ratings.

This is why Kenshin was moved to AS. CN hope that Kenshin would do better, but it didn't.

This why CN didn't renew the tv rights for it after the Kyoto storyline ended.

The same thing with Yu Yu Hakusho and why put the final eps of YYH on Friday's at 5 am.

Gundam Wing was the only Gundam show that did well for CN. All of the other Gundam animes have failed on CN.

And you had AS playing Inuyasha, Cowboy Beebop, Gost in the shell, trigun, wolfs rain, and case closed!

Case Close did poorly on AS and they let go of the tv airing rights. FUNimation Channel shows Case Close now.

I don't know how well Wolf's Rain did, but AS didn't renew the tv airing rights to it.

Then Naruto came and he got such great ratings that toonami dosn't think about any other anime hardly. Yeah. CN's making a boatload off of Naruto so I don't think they would entirely lose faith in anime.

Yes, Naruto is doing well. But you see, that doesn't do anything for AS stand point.

Adult Swim has spit from Cartoon Network like Nick at night is to Nickelodeon.

Now that Adult Swim is treated as a separate channel, it doesn't matter how well Toonami is doing in ratings.

You need Adult Swim shows to have good ratings, so that they can have money to buy tv airing rights for animes or other programs.

Col. Roy Mustang

[Splitter 2.0]

This is why Kenshin was moved to AS. CN hope that Kenshin would do better, but it didn't.

This why CN didn't renew the tv rights for it after the Kyoto storyline ended.


Col. Roy Mustang

Once again Roy, please check your information. Kenshin was never aired on AS. It was however aired late on Saturday night as part of the Toonami block during the stretch of time when AS temporarily got rid of their Saturday block so I can see where you'd make that mistake.

[Roy Mustang]

Once again Roy, please check your information. Kenshin was never aired on AS. It was however aired late on Saturday night as part of the Toonami block during the stretch of time when AS temporarily got rid of their Saturday block so I can see where you'd make that mistake.

Yeah, your right. I don't know why I was thinking it was on AS at the time and not Toonami.



Col. Roy Mustang

[mitsuki lover]

They aired Kenshin during the later half of Toonami which is probably why you thought it was on AS.I think it was on the same time slot that Prince of Tennis now occupies.So it's easy to see why one could get confused.
The thing that irks me though is when they would re-air a series like Neon Genesis Evangelion and suddenly drop it midway through the re-airing to put in another series.IMO when you're airing something,even if it's a rerun you should air the entire program and THEN put something else on when you have finished it.No matter what the ratings might look like you still have a duty to your audience to let them see the entire series before pulling it.