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Postby bakura_fan » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:23 pm

Well, about two days ago I decided to confront my mom about why they refused to attend their only child's wedding. Basically things didn't go so well. She said I was a quitter and a failure because I only have an AA degree and I got out of the air force. That they didn't come because God told them not to cause it was wrong. but the major thing that hurt was that my mom said that by me marrying micah right now, I destroyed their dreams. Their dreams of having a church wedding, doing pictures to "sunrise, sunset" and many other things that they wanted to do with my wedding that I didn't let them do because I didn't do what they wanted.
Also my mom broke her arm during this time, but she gave mixed signals, like she couldn't come because she couldn't get dressed up, and then saying if she knew people weren't dressing up she would have come. They reject micah and his entire family even though they don't admit it *the not like micah part, the family thing they have admitted.* They took away my car (even though they told me they would never do such a thing), the wedding gifts, and stole my grandmother's wedding ring that I inherited from her (I gave it to them for safe keeping while I was in the air force, but when I got out they said I couldn't have it, because it's what my grandmother would have wanted, and I was no longer a "Johnson"). Then after I get married, they give micah and I all these gifts for our new home...*confusing much*. They also told me that they love micah cause God told them to...so..in other words they don;'t really love him...
:sniffle: I've had to live with this my whole life. I was hoping that I could find a family that we could get along with...but...I guess it just wasn't meant to be...They told me I forced micah to marry now, and that we were not hearing the holy spirit talk to us about getting married now, and that It was all my fault that our families hate each other. His family loves me, as does he...but...deep down...it hurts so much knowing that my parents will never accept me, or who God made me to be. When I was growing up, if I ever told them how I turthfully felt (living life through me, stressed out by demands, etc) it was taken as rebellion and I would be downright emotionally abused for it.:sniffle: I'm in fear of posting this because my parent's might find it and read it and they'll call me and I'll get even more abused (they somehow found micah's brothers on My space and have been checking em everyday). I know I'm married and on my own with my husband and what not...but I still deeply love my parents...and want a relationship with them...but I feel like it will never be. :waah!: I miss my grandparents so much *my dad's parents* They were like how parents should be to kids. When they died, my world fell apart. I'm sorry for this long post...I just feel so lost right now...:sniffle:
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Postby rsnumber2 » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:33 pm

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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Mon Apr 09, 2007 3:34 pm

I'm so sorry to hear about all of this... I'll say some prayers right now for some rest and peace for you.
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Postby K. Ayato » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:32 pm

Just finished reading your post, and I don't agree with the thought of "Well, God told me to do this, so now I have to although I don't want to" that seems to underlie your parents' reasons. It's not right, for both the people involved, and for God, since the person using that argument is really putting words into His mouth.

I'm sorry your folks are viewing these things in this way. I'll be praying for you, and for them.
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Postby Althaia » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:55 pm

hang in there bakura_fan i am praying for you i pray that all goes well and God will push them the way they are suppoused to in caring for their child by supporting you and your choices
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Postby USSRGirl » Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:18 pm

I'll be praying for you Bakura. This reminds a whole lot of someone I knew whose parents behaved nearly the same way. It is flat out wrong for them to authoritatively say that God 'told' them not to come as a way of dumping guilt on you and making you feel as though God didn't want the marriage. Unless they have a 1-800-Heaven number on speed dial, they have no right to say anything like that. Who are they to judge?

Anyway, I'm very sorry to hear you're going through such tough times. Parents should never set conditions on loving their child, regardless of personal wishes for a 'big wedding' or whatnot. You didn't 'give up' on your dreams, you just found new ones that were just as important. And if you still want to get another degree, who says you can't get one with your husband there to support you? I'm sure God will bless you and marriage. I'll be praying that things work out.
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Postby EireWolf » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:48 pm

:( I'm so sorry you're going through this, bakura_fan. I just wanna hug you right now.

Remember that God can heal any rift. It may take a long time, but I believe that God can heal your relationship with your parents. For right now, try to let go of them a bit; continue to pray for them and leave them in God's hands. It might sound unbiblical to say "let go of them," but you're married now.

Jesus in Mark 10:6-9 wrote:But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.


I know that you love them, and that's good. I'm not saying you should ignore them or never speak to them, but they no longer control your life and that's the way it should be.
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Postby ShiroiHikari » Mon Apr 09, 2007 10:08 pm

Like EireWolf said, I think it probably is best that you let go, at least for now. Sometimes you should keep your distance from people that make you feel miserable about yourself, even if those people are your parents. Never stop loving them and never stop praying for them, but let go and live your life.
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Postby Tenshi no Ai » Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:23 pm

I know what it's like to have a not so great relationship with family. If my mom was a different person, it was be SO much easier for me to get along with her... Well, completely different situation of course, but still a tough relationship for whatever reason isn't easy. Praying for the situation...
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Postby Kunoichi » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:51 am

Bakrua chan,

I too know what it is like in some ways to go through what you are going through. Hun, *if you don't mind me calling you hun*, know that it says, "For even if your mother and father abandon you, I am with you always". The Lord I think wrote this for those in your situation.

Your parents are wrong in their deeds and there will accounting for them. Love your parents but if they make it impossible to have a healthy, loving relationship then you may want to tell them that they are not being as they should and they are goign to cause a rift in your relationship with them. Just because they are your parents does not mean you have suffer abuse. *hugs

GOd loves you Bakura and he knows your pain. You married Michah out of love and He knows your heart so do not worry what the world says.

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Postby LittleTokyo91 » Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:00 pm

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Postby Alexander » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:26 pm

*eyes fill up with tears*

There's nothing more saddening then having your parents reject you. Every child looks to their parents for guidance and trust in their life and for most importantly of all, love.

I've only touched the very edge of what it feels like to have my parents not love me, which didn't turn out to be true, but that was more then enough to make me understand just how much a parents love is important.

I don't want to say this, I really don't. But what I feel you must do is let go of some of your connection to them. If they say we didn't do this because God told us to, then tell them they're not listening to God. Tell them if they truly did listen, then they would accept what you choose to do, tell them the only one they really listen to is their own hearts.

None of it will be easy to say, the truth is never easy to say to anyone, especially to those you love with the very deepest of your heart. But in order to stand up for what you believe in, then I have to say this is what you must do. For yourself, for your husband, and for what God choose you to do.

It might sound anti-Christian of me to say that. Especially because we're put in the position to care and love for everyone, even our enemies. But parents aren't loving if they take away your car, wedding ring, refuse to attend your own wedding, and use meaningless excuses for them other then they want to listen to their own hearts. And for that, I can not see as love.

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Postby bigsleepj » Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:04 am

Your post both saddened and angered me a lot. I'll be praying for you as well.
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Postby Bobtheduck » Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:24 am

[quote="bakura_fan"]Well, about two days ago I decided to confront my mom about why they refused to attend their only child's wedding. Basically things didn't go so well. She said I was a quitter and a failure because I only have an AA degree and I got out of the air force. That they didn't come because God told them not to cause it was wrong. but the major thing that hurt was that my mom said that by me marrying micah right now, I destroyed their dreams. Their dreams of having a church wedding, doing pictures to "sunrise, sunset" and many other things that they wanted to do with my wedding that I didn't let them do because I didn't do what they wanted.
Also my mom broke her arm during this time, but she gave mixed signals, like she couldn't come because she couldn't get dressed up, and then saying if she knew people weren't dressing up she would have come. They reject micah and his entire family even though they don't admit it *the not like micah part, the family thing they have admitted.* They took away my car (even though they told me they would never do such a thing), the wedding gifts, and stole my grandmother's wedding ring that I inherited from her (I gave it to them for safe keeping while I was in the air force, but when I got out they said I couldn't have it, because it's what my grandmother would have wanted, and I was no longer a "Johnson"). Then after I get married, they give micah and I all these gifts for our new home...*confusing much*. They also told me that they love micah cause God told them to...so..in other words they don]

Wow... My mouth hung open the entire time I read this... This is pretty flipping messed up... What is with these hyper controlling parents? For parents to try to control you after you get married or to treat you this way is absolutely wrong.

The fact they use God as their excuse for treating you like crap is downright blasphemous... It's completely wrong... Gah... Wow, that makes me mad...

I'll definitely pray for you, in this matter.
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Postby bakura_fan » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:04 am

thanks everyone. It's funny how you guys are talking about the controll thing. Well, janet told me that when she talked to my parents before she asked them if they thought they had the right to control me after i got married...my dad said yes. I confronted my parents on this and got yelled at for believing her over them(and my mom still can't stand that I think of her as a liar because I lived with them all my life and I should know their personalities better than janet's. hence they see her as a wicked coniving woman who wants people to be afraid of her so she can manipulate them. my parent's blame her for not stopping the wedding cause she was the only "adult" who could. Janet is anything but that. She is one of the kindest women I know. She took on the whole wedding by herself. Her family helped out immensely. and when I didn't have a job, she took me to her work everyday and taught me how to paint houses. She paid off for our new car and it's insurance, and whatever else we needed. Right now her family is supporting us since I don't have a job yet and we have no money. I love this new family of mine.) *back on topic* And whenever I confront them about something like me telling them that they're pride is getting in the way or something else that I feel the need to confront them on* they tell me that's other people's words that are being put into my mouth. They never treated me like I had a mind of my own.

Also, I remember as I was growing up I did my best to please them and not be a bother. My mom loved me as a little kid. Never asked for anything, was polite, eas all around obedient. One day when we were in the car we were talking aout the past and what not. my mom said "You were such a good kid." Then I asked "Well, when did I not become a good kid?" mom: "Oh, about the age of 16." This comment totally crushed me. I had done nothing that I could think of to turn me into a bad kid. couple months later I asked her the same thing...her reply was always the same. I confronted her during our last conversation about it. She laughed and said that it wasn't meant to be mean, that all kids do that....I dunno...maybe I overreacted on that statement.

In all honesty I have told them that they weren't listening to God. They back themselves up with scripture to prove they are listening to God. *they quote the planting of the harvest thing and something about not harvesting till you planted or...gyah. I can't remember it...* So, pretty much it turns into a "You're wrong" "No, you're wrong" "No, you're wrong" We can never actually talk abotu it cause well, anytime I try we never get anywhere. My parents always want proof for everything. They want me to give them exact examples of what they said or what they did...with my memory being about as good as a sponge trying to soak up air
...I can never do it. =_= yeah I know...that was a bad example. basically...my memory sucks! so I never can give an example...And mostly the controlling one is my mom. My dad doesn't confront her when she says things or does things, cause he thinks that's what loving her is...letting her be.

They also tell me that I'm not being biblical by not going to church. Well, in all honesty I'm scared to death of church. They told me as I was growing up that I had to be a good example. I had to allways smile, even if I was in a bad mood, cause you never know who needs a smile that day. I had to have a good attitude during the sermon and worship time so just in case someone was watching they could see what a good christian was. I always had to wear a dress and nylons/tights (whatever), even though all the other girls got to wear jeans and t-shirts (my mom wanted me to show them how to properly dress). @_@ heck, I was so paranoid every sunday I mean I was afraid someone was like allways watching me and judging me. When I told my mom I was afraid to go to church she said "Oh!? So you'll teach your kids not to go to church because you're afraid." =_= geesh...no. I told her it was something I had to work through...but she didn't care. I told her that I went on CAA and talked with people from it. She said that you guys didn't count as fellowship cause it's not face to face with people. she said this was a backdoor baptist or something like that. well, in all honesty one reason we weren't going to church was because we couldn't find any good one's around here *sorry but if the church title was science in it's name...i get a bit freaked* anyway, a couple days later we found a church a few blocks away that we're gonna try. But I guess the thing that's different about my mom and janet...is that when I told Janet my fear, she tried to help me over come it...

Another thing that I forgot to mention was that my mom in the conversation said that she was hoping that I could break her curse. Basically her mom abondoned her when she was young, and because her dad had grown up an orphan and having the feeling of being abondoned, when his new wife left him, he went insane and had to be institutionalized. So my mom had to be put into foster homes. Foster homes that were quite abusive towards her. When she was seven she was able to go back to living with her dad. Later on she asked her sunday school teacher to be her mom. Well, later on her ss teacher married her dad, but she treated my mom like she wasn't anything special *still does* @_@. My mom prayed for me while i was growing up and prayed for the family that she'd gain when i got married. She wanted to be apart of a new loving family, but I ruined it for her by marrying micah. When I went back home to get my wedding dress and the other wedding things, my entire family was very dissappointed in me. My parents, and my grandma...except...my grandpa. (my mom's parents live in our house in their own apartment downstairs). My grandpa smiled and hugged me. Then he said "We'll be praying for you. May God bless you." Ya see, he has alzheimers or something close to it. we believe it's from the electrotherapy they used on him at the institution. But, in his state of mind, he was the kindest most supportive person I found at my house. I guess I'm hoping that my mom will get alzeihemers so she can be like him...heh heh.:sweat: but seriously, that was one of the things that got me through that day of packing and what not (oh yeah, micah wasn't allowed to set foot in their house during this time. Know why? cause he told them that he was afraid of them and didn't feel safe staying at their house. well, they were goign to have a second reception for us back at my parent's church...but since he told them that...that was the reason for taking away the reception, the car, and anything else that wasn't the ring...and the rule that he couldn't step foot in the house. however once we were married...he could again cause my parents were baffled as to why God didn't stop the marriage...ok...I better stop...I could go on and on about so many details...I'd hurt your head...=_=)

One last thing. At the wedding, I was wondering so much if what we were doing was the right thing. The only people that I knew who came was my ex-boyfriend and his mom, one of my best b-day buds *I call him that cause we have the same birthdate* and a friend of mine who I hadn't seen in almost a year. Those were the only people who came to support me *my best friend wanted to come but couldn't. One of my other friends wanted to come, but his parents made him stay cause my parents talked to them about it...* basically I was saddened to think that my parents had scared me so much that I couldn't invite more people, due to the fear that my entire church back home was against me. I say this because my parents had "Godly councelling" with someone who told them that what Micah and I were doing was wrong and that they needed to take away my car and various other things. I asked them who told them that they wouldn't tell me. then I asked if it was someone at the church, they said no and it wouldn't be anyone I knew...(btw. when my ex went back home, my parents say him and told him "the better man lost." my ex told me this because he and I are good friends, and in all honesty he approved of micah.)
basically all that had happened prior, was all I could think about in the wedding. I cried the whole time, not because I was happy, but because I was so heartbroken over my parents not comming. The pastor from thier church married us (my mom wanted one of her uncles to do it...who's a minister somewhere near leavenworth, WA)
. The thing that cheered me up a bit and cast away my dought was when he said "I can just feel the presence of the holy spirit covering this place" and he was right, there was a certain peace about it. They sang two worship songs at our wedding, it really was magical. (my mom said that micah and I got married in a time where God didn't exist. I'm assuming she was referring to our midieval theme, well cinderella theme, but more midieval....) anyway...I think I've talked enough for now. Thanks again for all your prayers.
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Postby c.t.,girl » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:42 am

~hug~ still prayin for ya as always.
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Postby Warrior4Christ » Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:42 am

I can't even begin to imagine not having your parents support you in marriage... that's just wrong. That's not the way it's supposed to be.
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Postby rsnumber2 » Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:44 am

I'll be praying for you as well. My parents weren't sure about my choice of bride as well (although not quite to your parents extent) so I feel like I know a little bit of what is going on. It will get better with time. Just don't let them see you unhappy, and show them more love than you can muster. If the see you in happiness everytime they see you, in time the Lord will change their heart. I've been married 6 years, and there are a few rough spots here and there, but it is much better. It just takes some time. But do find a "physical" fellowship soon. Don't just take what comes along, of course, pray that God lead you to the right one. But a "physical" fellowship may give you a more tangible sense of people being with you and praying with you. Sometimes that can help quite a bit. Just take all these lessons, and put them away for the next little Baura Fan.
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Postby USSRGirl » Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:45 pm

Oh wow... I'm so sorry you're in this situation, Bakura. I had to deal with a very similar situation some years back. I still thank God for getting me through it in one piece. I know exactly how you're feeling, but one thing you need to know is that your mother's problems are NOT your problems. You are not responsible for her past issues with her own parents, even though it would seem that she is trying to project them on you. You have to stop trying to please people that will never be pleased with you no matter what you do.

So far as quoting scripture, even Satan can twist verses to justify himself. I don't mean to sound that harsh, but just because they can pile up every verse in the Bible doesn't mean they are following God in this.

I'm really sorry to hear that you had such a bad past experience in church. Church can be a wonderful place to grow in Christ and fellowship, but your salvation and your Christianity is NOT dependent on whether you go to church or not. Church shouldn't be about setting a good example by wearing tights or always smiling even when your miserable. That's just insincere like the Pharisees. Yes, we should be modest and follow Christ, but none of us are perfect and we don't have to pretend to be. If we were, why would we even need Jesus? Romans 3:11 says "there is no one who does good, not even one." The only good example is Christ, and you don't have to put on a facade to fellowship with other Christians. I hope you and your husband find a nice church soon, but reading scripture at home and living a Christian life is fine too. It's about Jesus - not the tights, not the fake smile, not the building.

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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:48 pm

Bakura, about the church thing. Not all Church's are scary. There is actually, especially in the college towns, a booming number of churches that are aimed at our age group. They're often run by 23-25 year old ministers and intended to deal with our needs. If you can't find one of those, look for a church with a strong college age group, or even just a "youth group" for people our age. I really do understand your fear (the fact that you remained with God at all under that kind of pressure is amazing. Several of the Non-pagans I know broke because of exactly what you described), but a community of people involved in your life is so necessary. I've lived both cut-off and in a community, and I can understand the scriptural need for it.
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Postby Doubleshadow » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:56 am

Wow, that is so much. I'll pray for you.
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Postby Althaia » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:39 pm

again wow bakura i have to say thourgh all this you have really held it together. it really burns me up as how your parents are acting i personally think that if i was your parents i would shapen up and support my child. even if i thought she made the wrong decision its about the child's happiness not your own selfishness i think. again praying for you and micah. hang in there
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Postby bakura_fan » Sun Apr 15, 2007 10:26 am

thanks again. I've been feeling your prayers. I believe that God's the one who held me together all this time. many a time I strayed but, I know now that He was always with me. ^_^ oh, yeah. and warrior4christ, what yousaid about not having parentel support. That's what my parent's tried to use on me. lol. they said "Do you think God wants this? God would want you to have the support of your parents, and if you do this you won't. You'll be going against Him." again, thanks for all your prayers.
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