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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Thu Jan 18, 2007 8:20 am

termyt wrote:Does anyone else get a profound sense of irony from this thread?

It's almost like it was planned. The question is, did we learn anything?

You're totally right!

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Postby EireWolf » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:41 am

termyt wrote:Does anyone else get a profound sense of irony from this thread?

It's almost like it was planned. The question is, did we learn anything?

Yes. We can talk about love all we want, but it's useless (and even absurd) unless we are practicing it.

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal." (1 Cor. 13:1)

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Postby Reba » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:48 am

Warrior 4 Jesus wrote:Not judge Himura, convict.
Only God should judge.



True,But how would you put the word,I could only think of it as "Judge".
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Postby Reba » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:49 am

I would also like to say though,The lord has said, before,If you have something against your brethren,Go to him and talk to him about it,Or it may not be helped,It also shows how much you love your brethren if you really are willing to talk to them about the troubles you have about them. (I think I put that right,Forgive me I am very tired and I'm trying to think.)
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Postby Mave » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:15 am

Nate wrote:The opposite of love is apathy. To have no feelings, good or bad, about what someone is doing. To not care at all.

I don't necessarily agree with you. What's the opposite of hate then? According to this article below:

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/texts/Weekly_Torah_Commentary/kitavo_artson5762.htm

...the opposite of hate is law, according to the most *cough cough* accomplished, powerful and thoughtful ppl. :eh: Eh, ok if that's what they think. I mostly disagree because it doesn't make much sense to me, even after reading the whole article.

But but but, anyway....I don't want to get caught in this type of discussion ('opposite or not bla bla").

IMO, it's more important to consider the receiving end of the love/hate, rather than the action itself. Consider ----> "Loving sin/hating ppl" vs "Loving ppl/hating sin"

It's not so much whether how much you hate or how much you love. I'm more interested in "what" you love or hate. Hopefully, it's consistent with the Bible.

And ah yes, gotta walk the talk. I need to improve in that area.
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Postby termyt » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:37 am

Mave wrote:It's not so much whether how much you hate or how much you love. I'm more interested in "what" you love or hate. Hopefully, it's consistent with the Bible.

Well said.

I do not believe that emotions have opposites. Emotions do not oppose each other.

Even still, emotions can oppose each other in certain situations which could be useful for illustration.

For example, the "opposite of love is apathy" example sighted earlier. If one is trying to encourage another to look after the needy - as in the "Almost helping is not the same as helping" commercials on TV right now, then the "opposite of love is apathy" statement works in this context.

However, it does not work in every context. My lack of interest, for example, in the latest Max Lucado book does not indicate a failure in my ability to love Max Lucado.

So, I would put forth that, when used in the correct context, hate and love are opposites and so are love and apathy.

However, in the absence of a context, we should take care not to generalize too much to avoid confusion.
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Postby EireWolf » Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:21 am

When I agreed with Nate's statement (that apathy is the opposite of love), I was thinking in the context of a person that you know or have interaction with, not someone "out there" that you've never met, like an author. For instance, when I was younger I had moments of hatred for my father. Now, if I didn't care a whit about my father, I would not have hated him. But because I loved him, I hated him sometimes. Does that make any sense?

In a way, it's possible to love and hate someone simultaneously. It is not possible to love someone and have apathy for them simultaneously.
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Postby rocklobster » Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:13 am

EireWolf wrote:When I agreed with Nate's statement (that apathy is the opposite of love), I was thinking in the context of a person that you know or have interaction with, not someone "out there" that you've never met, like an author. For instance, when I was younger I had moments of hatred for my father. Now, if I didn't care a whit about my father, I would not have hated him. But because I loved him, I hated him sometimes. Does that make any sense?

In a way, it's possible to love and hate someone simultaneously. It is not possible to love someone and have apathy for them simultaneously.

My dad is the same way, Eirewolf. He's kind of difficult at times, but I still care about him too. So it makes perfect sense to me.
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Postby Matx » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:26 am

rocklobster wrote:My dad is the same way, Eirewolf. He's kind of difficult at times, but I still care about him too. So it makes perfect sense to me.


lol, i did not think that this could get so out of hand!
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