Okay, maybe I should have said 'Misdirected hate' is like poison instead.
I know we are to hate sin, but how do you write an analogy about it with that in mind.
I was putting it in black and white terms (very simple) if a little wrong. I know God has righteous anger and he never sins. It's one of those times you know what you want to say but it doesn't come out properly.
I'll shut up now. (lol)
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On one hand, your question can be taken in a very immediate sense, which would most likely deal with hate overcoming your heart if you choose to harbor it towards another person. Personally, I think that if someone keeps a hatred for someone in their heart and doesn't deal with it properly, it will drastically affect them spiritually, emotionally and possibly physically. In that sense, hate gets a temporary victory if you don't purpose in your heart to deal with it, ideally replacing it with love.
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I think when it comes down it it is this:
God is God, we aren't. We are CALLED to Love, and to stear clear of ANYTHING sinful...doesn't that mean stay away from hating (unecassarily) as well?
Hatred DOES tear things apart, it can really destroy someone.... So I have to disagree with you there, Nate. (sorry)
But when I was doing my research... I didn't see very many "POSITIVE" verses about hatred...in fact I think that one verse in Romans was all that I really found.
God is God, we aren't. We are CALLED to Love, and to stear clear of ANYTHING sinful...doesn't that mean stay away from hating (unecassarily) as well?
Hatred DOES tear things apart, it can really destroy someone.... So I have to disagree with you there, Nate. (sorry)
But when I was doing my research... I didn't see very many "POSITIVE" verses about hatred...in fact I think that one verse in Romans was all that I really found.
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ChristianRonin wrote:We are CALLED to Love, and to stear clear of ANYTHING sinful...doesn't that mean stay away from hating (unecassarily) as well?
That implies hatred is sinful, which it is not. God has hatred, and He is without sin.
Hatred DOES tear things apart, it can really destroy someone.... So I have to disagree with you there, Nate. (sorry)
Misdirected hatred can indeed destroy someone, I don't disagree.
I really feel...like you guys aren't reading my posts. And I hate to say it like that, but look. I have admitted, that we, as humans misuse hatred. We do. There's no denying that. We hate what we aren't supposed to hate. This is because we're fallen humans.
I'll say it one last time, though, to make it absolutely clear, and then when the next person ignores it I'll give up saying anything else. Hatred is NOT negative, it is NOT evil, it is NOT sinful, it IS a good thing. Hatred is a good thing because without hatred God would not be God. If God did not hate sin, He wouldn't be holy and righteous. We need to have that same righteous hatred to what is evil.
It's just we, as humans, misuse it. We hate righteousness, which is bad. We hate people, which is bad. This should not happen. Hatred is like anger. Anger isn't bad either, it's just misused by humans. Hatred and anger are part of what God is, though it's certainly not His biggest attributes (His mercy is far greater than His hatred or anger), they do still exist and to think that God is some big grandpa up in the sky who goes, "Oh that's okay" whenever you sin, well, He's NOT. He hates sin, He gets angry when we sin, and it's only by His INFINITE grace and mercy that we are kept from His wrath.
Regardless of how humans use hatred and anger, that doesn't make them bad.
Serial killers can use a pair of scissors to kill someone. That doesn't make scissors evil and bad. It's who uses them and how. God uses anger and hatred correctly. Humans tend not to. But anger and hatred ARE good.
But when I was doing my research... I didn't see very many "POSITIVE" verses about hatred...in fact I think that one verse in Romans was all that I really found.
Hatred very rarely is positive, at least not in the sense that we view it. XD Most of the time when hatred is mentioned it's used to describe those who have turned away from God, or people fairly deserving of God's wrath. Remember "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." That isn't really a positive statement, but then again, remember what Esau did. So while hatred isn't exactly positive, it's necessary and useful.
*waits for someone to ignore what he has said for the third time*
EDIT: I'm not really mad...if it sounds that way...more frustrated. XD;; I think I'm kinda having the same problem that W4J was having where he kept getting misintepreted. XP
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Hey, I listened, and totally agree.
In fact, in that sense, neither "love" or "hate" can truly be considered to be "good" or "bad."
Many say love is good; does that make loving evil things good?
Many say hate is bad; does that make (as said) hating Sin bad?
(And on a side note, Nate, you changed your name!! =0 )
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[quote="Myoti"]Many say love is good]
I agree. It's good to have a hatred if it's toward the proper things. It kind of reminds me of how Buddhists believe that all desire is evil because it creates suffering (if I remember right). More often than not, however, anger and hatred turn into catalysts for sinful behavior, so it's usually best to keep in in check.
I agree. It's good to have a hatred if it's toward the proper things. It kind of reminds me of how Buddhists believe that all desire is evil because it creates suffering (if I remember right). More often than not, however, anger and hatred turn into catalysts for sinful behavior, so it's usually best to keep in in check.
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Nate...I didn't even say that I disagreed with you about that part...please reread my post carefully. When I say "Unecassary hatred* I mean hatred towards others.
It's a sin to hate others...but it's not a sin to hate sin. I know this very well.
I apologize if it seemed that I didn't read your post well enough, I meant no offence and I don't disagree with you about hating sin... I think you seriously misunderstood me...and that is probably because I wasn't choosing my words wisely, I apologize for upsetting you.
Nate...I didn't even say that I disagreed with you about that part...please reread my post carefully. When I say "Unecassary hatred* I mean hatred towards others.
It's a sin to hate others...but it's not a sin to hate sin. I know this very well.
I apologize if it seemed that I didn't read your post well enough, I meant no offence and I don't disagree with you about hating sin... I think you seriously misunderstood me...and that is probably because I wasn't choosing my words wisely, I apologize for upsetting you.
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I have three requests:
Request 1: Inhale.
Request 2: Exhale.
Request 3: Repeate steps one and two several times.
This conversation is getting absurdly heated. What are we talking about here, guys? We're talking about loving people? What's even the purpose of discussing this topic intellectually when all this thread does practically is serve as an example of ungracious behavior and some hateful attitudes. Until we can show what a the subject of this thread is in practice, why even bother being so dogmatic about it?
Be quick to listen. Be slow to speak. A harsh word stirs up anger, but a kind word turns away wrath. What do you want to be remembered for bringing to the boards?
With that said, there's gonna be consequences if this harsh discussion continues.
Request 1: Inhale.
Request 2: Exhale.
Request 3: Repeate steps one and two several times.
This conversation is getting absurdly heated. What are we talking about here, guys? We're talking about loving people? What's even the purpose of discussing this topic intellectually when all this thread does practically is serve as an example of ungracious behavior and some hateful attitudes. Until we can show what a the subject of this thread is in practice, why even bother being so dogmatic about it?
Be quick to listen. Be slow to speak. A harsh word stirs up anger, but a kind word turns away wrath. What do you want to be remembered for bringing to the boards?
With that said, there's gonna be consequences if this harsh discussion continues.
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Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.
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Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.
But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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I have edited my post.. I am sorry for getting so upset... a new post now rests there. (I edited it before I saw MangaFanatics post... I am deeply sorry).
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Matx wrote:4 one I HATE WHEN PEOPLE MISJUDGE MEEE!!!!!!!!...but we werent here on this earth by God 2 hate. after all thats how Jesus came 2 earth, through love. the most humble settings, in a manger, "that whosoever beliveth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16.
so, LOVE.......or.........HATE.......tell me.
i choose love. love is better than hate. love gives you strength. where hate will only weaken you.
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First of all, I don't understand all the heat here. <mod snip: That was an unnecessary blow. The member in question has already apologized and the behavior which was uncalled for has been addressed by the mods. Abusing him/her any further for the infraction only serves to tear him/her down, rather than build him/her up.>
Anyway, here's my thoughts.
The devil loves it when people hate each other. He thrives on it. One thing we should keep in mind was that Jesus Himself even reached out to those who were outcasts. He even helped a woman who was scorned by his apostles because she was not of the same faith. He said "Other sheep have I. I must find them as well."
So, if God even cares about those who don't know about Him, then we really have no reason to hate.
Anyway, here's my thoughts.
The devil loves it when people hate each other. He thrives on it. One thing we should keep in mind was that Jesus Himself even reached out to those who were outcasts. He even helped a woman who was scorned by his apostles because she was not of the same faith. He said "Other sheep have I. I must find them as well."
So, if God even cares about those who don't know about Him, then we really have no reason to hate.
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First off, I don't believe that God can hate. I would explain with a lengthy post, but I have to get ready for church. XD
Here is a link to a beautiful document on love entitled quite simply, God is Love.
FYI: It's a Catholic document.
[Mod note: Just reworded that last paragraph. You were saying the right thing, but someone could misinterpret it and say something.]
Here is a link to a beautiful document on love entitled quite simply, God is Love.
FYI: It's a Catholic document.
[Mod note: Just reworded that last paragraph. You were saying the right thing, but someone could misinterpret it and say something.]
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"My my, the cruelest lies are often told without a word; my my, the kindest truths are often spoken, never heard." Ben Folds, The Last Polka
No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friend - John 15:13
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Love, duh. love gives you reason and it's our greatest asset in God. Hate will never truly allow God to fulfill His purpose in your life, and hate always clouds your judgement.
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samuraidragon wrote:First off, I don't believe that God can hate.
2 "I have loved you," says the LORD. "But you ask, 'How have you loved us?' "Was not Esau Jacob's brother?" the LORD says. "Yet I have loved Jacob, 3 but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals." - Malachi 1:2-3
The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates. - Psalm 11:5
There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him: - Proverbs 6:16
"For I, the LORD, love justice; I hate robbery and iniquity. In my faithfulness I will reward them and make an everlasting covenant with them. - Isaiah 61:8
"I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith. - Malachi 2:16
How do you interpret these verse that clearly states God hates?
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[quote="Nate"]2 "I have loved you," says the LORD. "But you ask, 'How have you loved us?' "Was not Esau Jacob's brother?" the LORD says. "Yet I have loved Jacob, 3 but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals."
The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates.
There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:
"For I, the LORD, love justice]
Nate, got any Book, Chapter and verse for those quotes? Maybe people would like to see all these in context?
I only count four things in your verses...^^;
1. Robbery, 2. Iniquity, 3. A man's covering himself with violence, 4. Divorce.
What other two things does God hate. (I know he hates sin)
The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love violence his soul hates.
There are six things the LORD hates, seven that are detestable to him:
"For I, the LORD, love justice]
Nate, got any Book, Chapter and verse for those quotes? Maybe people would like to see all these in context?
I only count four things in your verses...^^;
1. Robbery, 2. Iniquity, 3. A man's covering himself with violence, 4. Divorce.
What other two things does God hate. (I know he hates sin)
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[quote="ChristianRonin"]Nate, got any Book, Chapter and verse for those quotes? Maybe people would like to see all these in context?
I only count four things in your verses...^^]
Oh, sorry. I didn't even think about that. Give me a couple of minutes to go back and edit the post. XD;;
EDIT: And as far as what God hates, according to Proverbs:
Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies, and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.
I only count four things in your verses...^^]
Oh, sorry. I didn't even think about that. Give me a couple of minutes to go back and edit the post. XD;;
EDIT: And as far as what God hates, according to Proverbs:
Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies, and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.
Ezekiel 23:20
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[quote="Nate"]Oh, sorry. I didn't even think about that. Give me a couple of minutes to go back and edit the post. XD]
Haha! thanks, Nate ^_^
Haha! thanks, Nate ^_^
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Matx wrote:4 one I HATE WHEN PEOPLE MISJUDGE MEEE!!!!!!!!...but we werent here on this earth by God 2 hate. after all thats how Jesus came 2 earth, through love. the most humble settings, in a manger, "that whosoever beliveth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16.
so, LOVE.......or.........HATE.......tell me.
Okay for one,You should even love your enemy's,Thats doesn't mean you have to like them,And Yes Hate Sin,It is bad when people miss judgeyou,But Also see how your acting you know? ^^
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Be quick to listen. Be slow to speak. A harsh word stirs up anger, but a kind word turns away wrath." Its true,If you are patient to see how the person is,Then you will wait to Judge him. (I hope I am not harsh.)
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Warrior 4 Jesus wrote:Not judge Himura, convict.
Only God should judge.
I don't think convict is the right word either, though. Only the Holy Spirit can truly be responsible for convicting someone. But I'm not sure what the right substitute word would be. . .
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Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
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Letting them know they are in the wrong would be the proper course of action. However, that is a risk that could elicit a rather fiery response from them. I've heard it said that hate is just a stronger love, in reverse...but who knows. You must love the person you hate in some way - you dedicate so much of your time to them, whether it be in conflict or brutal thought.
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I would say "Go to those who hate your or love you (like if someone close to you is doing something they shouldn't and they are Christians) Anyway you should go to them in love if you feel so led by God. Then you should say (again with love) "You know...what you are doing is it helping you spiritually? What about those around you?"
Or SOMETHING like that...not those EXACT words because who knows what the case is...XD;
I would go up to someone who hates me and be like "You know... I forgive you.." and they will be like "WHAT!?" But you know...even if it totally makes you look like an idiot...they will not forget easily..XD
Or SOMETHING like that...not those EXACT words because who knows what the case is...XD;
I would go up to someone who hates me and be like "You know... I forgive you.." and they will be like "WHAT!?" But you know...even if it totally makes you look like an idiot...they will not forget easily..XD
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I think part of the problem is that people think hate is the opposite of love, but it isn't. Hate often has to go hand in hand with love, for example, if I have someone I love, and I see them doing something horrible that will destroy their life, I must hate what they are doing to love them. I don't hate them, just what they're doing. I must hate destructive actions to love them.
The opposite of love is apathy. To have no feelings, good or bad, about what someone is doing. To not care at all.
The opposite of love is apathy. To have no feelings, good or bad, about what someone is doing. To not care at all.
Ezekiel 23:20
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Nate wrote:The opposite of love is apathy. To have no feelings, good or bad, about what someone is doing. To not care at all.
I was going to make that point, but you beat me to it.
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Nate wrote:The opposite of love is apathy. To have no feelings, good or bad, about what someone is doing. To not care at all.
Wow! I like... well I guess deep down I knew that. But I never thought it like that. Thanks NAME/KERMIT!
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Does anyone else get a profound sense of irony from this thread?
It's almost like it was planned. The question is, did we learn anything?
It's almost like it was planned. The question is, did we learn anything?
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