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Postby seventh circle » Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:09 pm

Fionn Fael wrote:All right, I'll just come out with it: I've never really "dated" anyone before. But recently (as in, beginning a few months ago), someone has actually expressed serious interest in me. This, while shocking, was also understandably flattering, as he's a really sweet Christian guy whom I'd never expect would like someone like me. Unfortunately, he lives in a city 2 hours away from mine, and only comes to my town on holidays to visit relatives who live here. Still, every time he's here, he calls and invites me to do things with him.

Cute, right? Well, herein lies the issue: I have absolutely ZERO experience with relationships of any kind! I'm 16 years old, but I have no clue how to act around guys or what I should or shouldn't do! Plus, he's a year and a half older than me and has dated before. What does he expect of me? I've never even so much as kissed a boy. I'm way too shy around them to be forward about anything now!

We're going to the movies tomorrow night. I need good advice, ASAP! Please help!

ok. this has probably all been said already, but here it goes.

basicaly just be yourself. Thats what he likes you for. Naturaly you have to set some boundries, but if u just be yourself and don't stress you're fine.

this is comming from a guy so you can trust me when i say thats how i'd want the girl i'm in love with to act.
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Postby indyrocker » Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:33 pm

Lets keep it simpol 16 year old boys are stuped hec most guys have their moments when they just need a good smack up aside the head and told no like a dog. From my experence of having kissed a girl on the first date (she started it but hay I didn't obgect) is not a good idea because it bypasses all the bonding that should happen before that so that you are emotenaly(sp) closer. that being said it does exclude a peck on the cheek or forhead at the end of a night. While kissing can be a part of a healthy God centerd relashinship it does not have to be and since it can opend a whole can o' worms (almost as much as sex can) it should in my mind be ovoided till at least a month or two into a relashinship. Its always a good idea to set up your personal limets of what you will not under any sercumstances(sp) do till you are married. Any who thats my ideas on the subject.
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Postby Warrior 4 Jesus » Sun Dec 31, 2006 5:45 pm

You just insulted every 16 year old guy who is actually a gentlemen.
Good job.
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Postby K. Ayato » Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:55 pm

Cool it, TinTin. Back on topic.

agentsmith does have a point. Kissing shouldn't have been introduced so early.
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Postby Fionn Fael » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:39 pm

Bobtheduck wrote:I'd say make sure there is an established relationship before you even get close to kissing... No "first date" stuff...

ACK! Okay, it wasn't our first date. True, the other things we'd done together earlier weren't what most people would label as "dates", but they were close enough. Oh, this is embarrassing. :sweat:



Well, since the last time I gave you all an update on the whole situation, I went on one more date with this guy. And guess what? It was really fun! I was totally freaking out about what would happen at the movies, because I've seen way too many couples who are overly... er... intimate in the movie theater, and they make out in front of everyone. I was sure hoping he wasn't expecting this out of me, because let me tell you, I won't ever do that, even if I've been dating the person for years. (If you even do that at all, why do it in public? Disgusting.)

But I was worried over nothing. He was really considerate and chaste, and the only gesture he made was to put his arm around my shoulders, and he even asked me if this was okay, or if I was uncomfortable. We got some ice cream afterwards(I, being a klutz and a dork, proceeded to spill some of my milkshake on my jacket), and then he drove me home. At the end of the night, I confessed to him about him being the first guy to ever kiss me. He was surprised, but now he understands why I was so uncomfortable before. The whole drive back to my house, we talked about boundaries and how I'm not ready for much(intimacy and relationship-wise) yet. We agreed that, since we saw each other only once every couple of weeks, this was for the best.

When we said goodnight, I told him I'd be okay with one tiny little kiss and a hug, since this would be the last time we would see each other for a while. Half an hour after he left, he called me to apologize for a reason I couldn't guess. He said that he thought he'd done something wrong, because I seemed angry when he left. I was actually just upset with myself for being stupid and naive, and I had thought he was disappointed in me, which he wasn't. So everything turned out all right. Aren't teenage relationships (if they can so be called) great? :lol:

Gosh, after this whole ordeal, I feel so dumb. :eh: But, I guess you have to experience things like this some time or other, and it's normal for it to be awkward. I'm just glad I got things straightened out for now. Anyway, thanks for all of your help, everyone! And if you have even the smallest bit of more advice, don't hesitate to post! I love you guys!! :hug:
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Postby Yumie » Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:42 pm

Well, I'm glad everything seems to have worked out, Fionn! :)
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Postby K. Ayato » Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:55 pm

Yeah, you handled it great the second time around. Good job! :)
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Postby Fionn Fael » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:36 pm

Oh, gosh. Thanks so much, you guys! I really can't accurately express how greatly your advice affected me and my decisions regarding this situation! I don't know what I would have done without you. Again I'll say it, sincerely and gratefully: thank you!!! :hug: :hug: :hug:
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:48 pm

<Mod snip: This was rather inflamatory and unnecessary.>

Edit by MSP: My apologies, I got too offensive there.
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Postby Kkun » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:57 pm

Mr. SmartyPants wrote:<Mod snip: This was rather inflamatory and unnecessary.>


No, he's right, you're all dumb.

The content of the message isn't undermined by its delivery.

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Postby Nate » Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:40 pm

The only advice I can give is, keep going slowly. ^^ Don't try to rush things, and it's good to see that he acted a bit better this time. Good luck. :D
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Postby samuraidragon » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:22 am

He seems like more of a gentlemen then I would've guessed beforehand. He did make a mistake, but it seems that he has the self-control to not do it again after you told him what was and wasn't okay. He seems like a nice guy and I hope this works out well for you.
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Yumie! I'm surprised at you, making a simple grammatical mistake! j/k <3

It's a good thing you put the disclaimer though, I thought he was saying the mods were all dumb! My expression was similar to :wow!:
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Postby Kkun » Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:24 am

samuraidragon wrote:He seems like more of a gentlemen then I would've guessed beforehand. He did make a mistake, but it seems that he has the self-control to not do it again after you told him what was and wasn't okay. He seems like a nice guy and I hope this works out well for you.
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Yumie! I'm surprised at you, making a simple grammatical mistake! j/k <3

It's a good thing you put the disclaimer though, I thought he was saying the mods were all dumb! My expression was similar to :o



I was saying all 16 year old boys are dumb, just to be funny and give dear ol' RyanPants a hard time (something I'm known to do). The humorous impact of my statement has been all but ruined. : (

OH WELL. You thought it was funny before you edited it, right, Yumie? Right?
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Postby Fionn Fael » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:09 pm

Kkun wrote:I was saying all 16 year old boys are dumb, just to be funny and give dear ol' RyanPants a hard time (something I'm known to do).


You and agentsmith700 both referred to 16-year-old guys, but, just to set things straight, in my particular case, the guy was actually older than that. :sweat: But, I agree with your statement, Kkun! :grin: Actually, while I'm on the topic, let's just put it out there: all guys are dumb. Does anyone disagree? Anyone? But seriously, I'm kidding. J/K, all of you males out there!

:eh: I have no idea what MSP originally posted, but I'll just trust the Mods on that one!
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Postby Yumie » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:14 pm

Kkun wrote:I was saying all 16 year old boys are dumb, just to be funny and give dear ol' RyanPants a hard time (something I'm known to do). The humorous impact of my statement has been all but ruined. : (

OH WELL. You thought it was funny before you edited it, right, Yumie? Right?


Yes, I did think it was funny, Jamie! In fact, Osaka and I were lamenting that we had to snip Ryan's comment, because doing that would totally ruin your funny remark. :( But as I said, it was a necessary casualty.

And I think it's funny that you all are so astonished when I make a gramatical error. I should do it more often.
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Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
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Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.

Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.

Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
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Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.

High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:22 pm

Yumie wrote:And I think it's funny that you all are so astonished when I make a gramatical error. I should do it more often.

Har har har, I never recalled you being the Grammar Ranger. ;)
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Postby Yumie » Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:57 pm

[quote="Mr. SmartyPants"]Har har har, I never recalled you being the Grammar Ranger. ]

Of course not! I'd have to fight Corrie for the position, and we all know how that would turn out. XD
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Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.

Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.

Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.

Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.

High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
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Postby Mr. SmartyPants » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:11 pm

Yumie wrote:Of course not! I'd have to fight Corrie for the position, and we all know how that would turn out. XD

I would develop that further, but I don't want to derail the thread.

...Okay I lied. I just couldn't think of any interesting puns or jokes to continue it.

Anyway Fiona, I hope everything goes well!
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Postby Crimson Crusade » Wed Jan 03, 2007 7:47 pm

God has a specal person for most of us.
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Postby Agent Anderson » Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:29 pm

My thoughts:
Don't date anyone you know you'd never marry.
Don't let dating get in the way of important things (like grades, GPA, homework, studying, school, assignments, family).
Spend most dates reading the Bible.


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Postby Warrior 4 Jesus » Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:56 am

Yes, I can see that. If anyone followed your advice we would all be single, because there wouldn't be a moment to hang out with any potential special person (lol).

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Postby Eaglestrike » Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:53 am

I haven't read every post in this thread, and this will be my first post on these forums, but I'll give my advice.

Like many have said, just be friends. At your age I had just entered into a serious relationship, two years later, we were engaged to be married. Another year later, our mistake was realized and we eventually split up.

The problem was, we both changed. We were a pretty good match when we were in high school, but we each went off to college (she was a year older and a followed her) and we each changed. To keep it simple, we went in opposite directions. That's not to say any of us strayed from God, but we each had our different styles and interpretations. This problem has a very high chance of happening, as most people will change, even dramatically at times, into their 20's. Usually by then people will find themselves, their true selves, and real connections can be made.

Back in high school I always thought I was "above" such recommendations, I thought I was different because I'm of above average intelligence and that I could do better than the average person. I was humbled, lol.

Also like I believe the first person to respond said, be yourself. Living to anothers expectations is never good. If they don't like you for you, the relationship is going nowhere.

Find out what he likes to do, know what you like to do, see where you two meet and do them together.
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Postby Fionn Fael » Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:04 pm

Oh, dear me. It's update time, I'm sorry to say. It would have been nice to let this be the end of the thread, but I'm afraid that teen life has far too much drama for that to be the case. (The worst part is, I hate drama.)

Anyway, here's the deal. Remember the guy I had problems with before? Yeah, well... Ever since the last time I saw him, I've avoided thinking about him at all. During the whole "first kiss" incident and such, I liked hanging out with him. But, in retrospect, all our experiences just make me feel extremely uncomfortable. I realize now that I never even really liked the guy. Shameful though it is, I think that I was just interested because he was interested first. I was so flattered that a cute, popular, older boy actually noticed me that I convinced myself that I liked him. He wasn't a bad guy or anything, but I feel like he and I were never on the same page, and we never will be. Despite this, he keeps calling me. I, in turn, ignore his voice messages like the coward I am.

But wait--there's more! As it happens, I now have a ginormous, horribly irrepressible, thought-intrusive, completely childish schoolgirl crush on a classmate of mine. Greeeaaat. When my friends went through the same thing, I thought they were immature and silly. Yet now I'm experiencing it. I just can't help it! He's so... *resists swooning* You understand. Plus, according to... well, a lot of people, he has a crush on me, too. Perfect, right? 'Fraid not. Get this: his best friend has had a crush on me for even longer than he has!! I'm friends with both of them, and I could never split them apart by dating the one I'm infatuated with. And, most important (and disheartening) of all, this new guy I like isn't a Christian, as far as I can tell. You wouldn't know this by his actions (he's quite possibly one of the sweetest, most innocent boys in the universe), but I'm convinced that he isn't saved. I can't date a non-believer, and I certainly can't try to win someone to Christ simply to date them.

What's a girl to do?!?! I'm so confused. GAH! So sorry for the lengthy post and ranting, but can anyone help??
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Postby The Doctor » Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:39 am

Best thing I can say is to NOT let your heart or emotions guide you.

As Obi-Wan would say if he were a Christian: "Your emotions can decieve you; don't TRUST them!"

Next: LISTEN to what the Bible says (which mind you, everyone, INCLUDING MYSELF, don't get right alot).

Jesus warns against being unequally yoked, and the Apostle Paul writes "What association does light have with darkness?"

Lastly, read in the Bible the Love Chapter to find out what TRUE love is, and pray and ask GOD for help in controlling your emotions and bringing them under HIS control.

I know this isn't easy, and I know that even as you read this it sounds VERY HARD and your probably getting upset about how on earth your going to do it, and what about the guy you really like? I want to be happy, will I be happy if I say no? Can I trust God to bring the RIGHT guy into my life? I don't wanna be single forever! Etc.

It is hard, and I'm sorry it is, but you won't be alone. God will be with you. Ask for His help, and find friends to help you along the way (Christian friends; the friends who treat relationships as flavors of the week aren't your best bet). And finally, do what God has been telling me to do but I have failed to execute, but hopefully you will listen to this: get busy doing God's work, like serving others and getting involved in a ministry at your church.

I'm no love expert, and I'm sorry for the distress you probably feel right now upon reading my advice. And if anyone has better BIBLICAL advice and I see it, I'll relent if I find that Biblically they're right.

Just know that you are never alone, and DO NOT listen to Satan who says that his way is better and you'll never be happy doing it God's way. I've done it Satan's way, and lemme tell you that it sucks.
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Postby Lady Macbeth » Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:50 am

Fionn Fael wrote:Anyway, here's the deal. Remember the guy I had problems with before? Yeah, well... Ever since the last time I saw him, I've avoided thinking about him at all. During the whole "first kiss" incident and such, I liked hanging out with him. But, in retrospect, all our experiences just make me feel extremely uncomfortable. I realize now that I never even really liked the guy. Shameful though it is, I think that I was just interested because he was interested first. I was so flattered that a cute, popular, older boy actually noticed me that I convinced myself that I liked him. He wasn't a bad guy or anything, but I feel like he and I were never on the same page, and we never will be. Despite this, he keeps calling me. I, in turn, ignore his voice messages like the coward I am.


First of all, avoidance is not a good response, especially if you've determined with certainty that he is not the right person for you. Since the relationship makes you uncomfortable, you need to take time to explain to him - in person is best, but at very least over the phone - exactly what you've explained here. You might get lucky, and he'll understand and accept it right away. The more likely scenario is that he won't understand right away]will[/b] be uncomfortable to tell him and to remain firm if he persists - but that is one of the challenges that any person must face if they want to do what is right for them.

Fionn Fael wrote:--SNIPPED FOR SPACE--

Perfect, right? 'Fraid not. Get this: his best friend has had a crush on me for even longer than he has!! I'm friends with both of them, and I could never split them apart by dating the one I'm infatuated with. And, most important (and disheartening) of all, this new guy I like isn't a Christian, as far as I can tell. You wouldn't know this by his actions (he's quite possibly one of the sweetest, most innocent boys in the universe), but I'm convinced that he isn't saved. I can't date a non-believer, and I certainly can't try to win someone to Christ simply to date them.


The first thing I want to touch on here is the issue of a conflict in religion. I'm not sure I'm understanding your position here, so I want to try to clarify that.

You state, "You wouldn't know this by his actions...but I'm convinced that he isn't saved." Is there a reason that you have to be convinced of this? Many people are simply quiet about their faith, because they believe that it's not a public issue. "Closet Christians" are just as plentiful as "Closet Pagans" and the only way one would know is to ask - in public, both simply express their faith through individual actions, such as how they treat others and what causes they support, and those things don't always point to a definitive religion. If you don't know for sure and are truly interested in him (not just infatuated), a first step would be to strike up a conversation about beliefs and ask him outright. If he's a friend, he won't take offense, even if it means that the two of you won't be anything more than casual friends in the future.

You also stated, "I can't date a non-believer..." Is this because of personal conviction, or because someone else told you that? If it's from your own heart, then that is something you need to keep in the forefront of your mind while you make decisions on who to approach for companionship. If it's not your own conviction, you may want to reconsider it - mixed-faith relationships can work, they just require more commitment and dedication than those who have no conflicts in their beliefs. My husband is Christian and I am Pagan - and we just celebrated four years of marriage last December]does[/b] worry about the fact that I am not baptised - but that's part of where the understanding and compromise comes into a relationship. His concern over baptism is not enough of a concern that it would cause him to stop liking someone, and I understand where his concerns come from, which is why I agreed to marriage in his church rather than a handfasting among my own community. Our relationship works because we are both comfortable in our faiths and how our faiths interact; if we were not, our relationship would not work. That is why, if you are not personally comfortable dating a non-believer, you should stand by that and dismiss those from your mind as potential companions.

As far as splitting up friends by dating one instead of the other goes, that is something that is entirely between the two of them. Consider the situation this way - if there was a guy who liked you and who you liked, but your best (girl) friend also liked him, would you want him to say nothing to you, for fear that it would interfere with you and your friend? When a couple gets together, they don't stop having mutal friends - in fact, the number of mutual friends tends to grow. How frienships and jealousies are handled is up to each individual - if all three individuals want to come to an understanding together, that's great. If not, then it's up to each individual person to come to individual understandings. That can sometimes become more complicated, but it is often more comfortable for people.
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