Virgin over 18? Do they still exist?

[CDLviking]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you. I just think that some people mistakenly equate our natural sex drive with lust.

[Ashley]

Well it's important to recognize a truth here: did God create us as sexual beings? Yes. We do have a natural "sex drive". But God also created a perfect boundary and setting for that drive to reach it's fulfillment, and when we step outside those boundaries that's sin. Period.

[The Grammarian]

A better question, and one that blurs the boundaries a bit, is: Since sin and temptation are two different things, what's the difference between the two?

[Mave]

There is actually not a human alive that has never lusted after another person. It's human nature, nothing to really be ashamed of because you can't help it, especially in your teen years. As there is no man alive that can honestly said he has never done another thing.

I agree that there's not a single person on earth that hasn't sinned. I agree it's part of our human (sinful) nature. However, I disagree that we can't help it, when we have the Holy Spirit within ourselves and God's divine help in overcoming struggles. To say that "there's nothing we can do about it", makes me feel like we're underestimating God's power.

I don't think that anyone should be condemned or rejected at all just because of a sexual struggle. "Struggle" indicates a spiritual battle that I support wholly. Problem is many don't confront lust and acknowledge it as something despicable and a very real problem that needs to be dealt with.

EDIT: Grammarian, I was taught that the difference: Temptation itself is not sin. Exposing yourself to temptation is not a sin. But giving in to temptation is sin.

[Shinja]

temptaion can be many things a thought, a desire, simply being missguided. sin is the wrong action or the choice you make

an exampke would be; i really like my neibors car, i greatly want to have a car like that, the sin is the chioce and the subsiquint action to steal my neibors car.

[Savior_Sora]

There's just one thing I have to say...well 2 really lol.

1: I'm still a virgin
2: Since sex is necessary to us, and it has many pleasures, Satan can use it so easily to corrupt.

That's one reason why I think the USA is going downhill. I mean just look. Porn is EVERYWHERE. And it's used in movies all the time and even now its getting into TV shows. Just goes to show that something created as a beautiful, and pure thing can be easily turned into something ugly and grotesque. I think that's why people are doing it more often now-a-days. It's becoming so accepted and common it seems like its becoming a "toy" that you can just go out and get whenever you want.

It really disgusts me. And it's true that it can change someone completely. I have some friends who have done it in HS and they changed. Now when they get a gf the only thing on their mind..."I gotta have sex with him/her before i break up wioth him/her." Then eventually they just start looking at each other as nothing but pleasure tools. It pains me greatly. I'm just glad I've been able to resist. To me just being able to cuddle and kiss your gf/bf is enough for right now. Anything beyond that is just...not right.

As a Christian I'm trying my hardest to uphold the boundries. I still can't convince a lot of people that you don't need to have sex to be happy all the time. Just go out and find something fun to do that doesn't even have sex around it. It's easy!! I mean if one person can resist I'm sure they can. But that may be because they have weak concious or are too conformed to the World.

Lord knows I have thot about it, but whenever I do I think about how all my friends have changed and then the Holy Spirit tells me no. So to me it's kinda easy, but everyones different I guess...

Hope this helps any at all. This is just how I feel about this. A lot of this came about after my friend got a girl pregnant and now hes gettin married and...I hope the best but, it's just...I dunno I just dont see it lasting long. I just hope and pray it goes well. Everyone plz pray for them, and especially for our Nation. If anyone needs it, it's her.

[The Grammarian]

My point in the comparison was to point out that there's a big difference between sexual attraction and lust. I don't condone lust, but we need to remember that sexual attraction is not sinful--lust, inordinate desire, is. It's as Calvin pointed out in his Institutes, most of the time our sin isn't in what we want, but in wanting it too much.

[Fsiphskilm]

Lust will always and forever be in the minds of human biengs until the coming of God and his estblishment of his Kingdom on Earth. From the time that Adam and Eve took the bite from the apple to then, we will always have a natural sex drive. It's a fact of life. I'm not saying every single person thinks bout sex 24/7. What I'm saying is that people in general do have sexual thoughts at one time or another.

Of course with God you can help i guess..control that drive but that sin is still there and that thought of lust is always around you. Several people have control over what they think and do while other's have no control on it.

I agree with you 100%. Some people are just...Zeliously Sexual It's in our minds. It drives me crazy but Like you mensioned there is a form of control. Even when I'm tempted in the Red level I still manage to escape temptation. Sexuality is in our genes. It doesn't mean we have to ignore it but rather control it. Now miss Spears is a bad example on controll and self-discapline. But then again I think she's just a freak wanna-be. That's popular these days, pathetic but popular.


[color=darkred]Proverbs 6:18 - May your fountain be blessed, and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth ...- May her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love..

Corin. 7 - But because of the temptation to immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. 3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4 For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does]

Here's something interesting...it seems it's not a sin to marry one of the opposing beliefe -> Corninthians 7:13 -> If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband. Otherwise, your children would be unclean, but as it is they are holy

[CDLviking]

>I agree it's part of our human (sinful) nature.

I think we have to be careful when we say that human nature is sinful that we know what we are saying. If we are refering to the state in which we come into the world tainted by original sin then you are correct. But if we define human nature as Augustine does, the way we were naturally created by God, then we are naturally good, and our nature is opposed to sin. Using the word nature in the first way is acceptable as it has become a convention for refering to our original sin, but if we wish to be theologically accurate we should say that we have a good nature but we exist in a state of falleness due to original sin.

[SwordSkill]

//veers away from theological discussion//

just wondering....was the original question posed (if there are still virgins over 18) referring to the people in the whole world, or people in the United States (since it seems to be the majority here), or people in this board? because, really, the question is left hanging if one doesn't specify a place as a context, because it differs a lot from country to country. ^^;;

[Azier the Swordsman]

Sexual Status: Virgin

Relationship Status: Single

[MasterDias]

I am certain that there are quite a few virgins over 18. More so than you might think at first.

[supa dupa ninja]

oh man, I think I'm the only one in this site who's actually gonna admit it...

I lost my virginity when I was only 14 and I'd been repenting after that. I can't say I felt bad over it but my religious side is been killing me ever since... hope you guys don't think of me as perv...

[Ashley]

Of course not. That took a lot of guts to be honest about, and it really shows that you have repented of it, I think. So no, no one here would or should condemn you for it. A mistake is a mistake, whether it be lying or giving away your virginity. It's all the same in God's eyes, correct? And it was all paid for at the cross through our precious Savior. So if anything, SDN, I commend you for being honest, and I know without a doubt God will honor your repentance.

[Rachel]

i'm 18 and am still a virgin and plan on being so until marriage.

[supa dupa ninja]

thanks Ashley! I feel good now, *glomps ash* personally though ever since that day I thought about molding my nephews and nieces so they won't be like me when they get a little older...

[Ashley]

I sincerely believe that even when we as believers mess up in any way, God will use it to craft us and make us stronger. Like He promises--"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD , "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future." (Jeremiah 29:11). As my old pastor said often, you can't ever surprise God--He's never going to say "oh well that's it...I was willing to help you out but now you've gone way too far." That's the great thing about Christ- He forgives and forgives and forgives us of all we have done and all we will do. Not only that, He uses those experiences to make us better witnesses (like you to your nieces and nephews) and better people. Sometimes we wish He could teach us those things in a different way, but that's why He's God, right?

Anyway, carry on now...just felt like posting that.

[Fsiphskilm]

Ahh...well don't feal bad about admitting a problem/sin/mistake.

Poeple who admit their mistakes are stronger than those who don't make any.

[Lochaber Axe]

... And who doesn't make mistakes?

Yeah, I am a virgin and keeping my steel chastity belt on until marriage. Of course, it is easy when you have steel on 100% of your body.

[bemanisuperstar]

And I'm still waiting for a girl to PM me and say Hey there Beman I like that thread can I get to know you better :^P........

I guess I should post a picture or something.

Ahhh well.

[EireWolf]

I think maybe you should curb that right now, bemanis... You've solicited for a girlfriend several times now. I don't care if you are joking; it's creepy, especially in the context of this thread. So... please cut it out.

.... Just a note from your usually-friendly-but-currently-annoyed neighborhood wolf.

[shooraijin]

I agree (official mod stamp). I'm not sure if anything else is to be said in this thread, but I won't close it just yet.

[Zarn Ishtare]

Ok..Well, Kudos to Ashlalay on her very touching statement on page 8...But I think this is a pointless thread.

To the Maker of the Thread: You asked a retorical question, since of course there are eighteen and up virgins. you just wanted a roundabout way to talk about somthing else, which I think is disturbing. If you have somthing to really say, say it, instead of loading Eight pages with answers to a question that does not require them. This is a nice way of saying....this is an Annoying topic, please shut it down now....By the way, Has anyone noticed how Shoor's avatar looks like Citan Uzuki from Xenogears? Just a thought.

[Zarn Ishtare]

Well..Nevermind above statement...I only read a couple of pages. Still, you could choose a better topic name.

[shooraijin]

> Has anyone noticed how Shoor's avatar looks like Citan Uzuki from Xenogears?

Hmm. Pictures for comparison?

In this case (briefly OT), my avatar is actually Tofu-sensei from Ranma 1/2. There's even a kind of physical resemblance (and definitely in profession).

[Fsiphskilm]

... And who doesn't make mistakes?

LOL Exactly, that's the point! No one is perfect. And All make mistakes so...

Original Statement >>> Those who admit their mistakes are stronger than those who don't make them. (???somthing like that, I can't even remember my own statement )

Ok..Well, Kudos to Ashlalay.

Ashlalay??? ROFL

[Zarn Ishtare]

Eirewolf, you wouldn't happen to know of a place called Wolfhome, huh?

[Inferno]

I'm 14 and a virgin and plan on being one till I'm married.

[cbwing0]

Those who admit their mistakes are stronger than those who don't make them.

I have to disagree with you there, but since you edited it, I won't get into a debate.

[ZiP]

Checking in since last post, still a virgin!