mechana2015 wrote:The opening with the robbery is hilarious.
Esoteric wrote:I too was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the movie when it came out and marveled at the battles. The dogfight is just..oooh! As for the golden butterflies....
[spoiler]In the movie, the scientist claims they are a hallucination caused by the nano virus when it enters the brain...kinda like seeing spots only instead, sparkling butterflies. Whether they chose butterflies simply to be artistic, or to symbolize something more, such as fleeting dreams, I'm not entirely sure. I know Vincent says he sees them all the time, but I think that it's primarily an indicative of his not living in the reality, and that the nanos have messed up his life big-time.[/spoiler]
Esoteric wrote:Well...
[spoiler=Esoteric]Yes, that is one unexplained portion of the plot. He was immune to death from the nanos, but also remember he was an early test subject. During his time on Titan, he underwent severe mental and physical stresses...perhaps he had permanant brain damage resulting the condition. I agree the details as to why he still sees them are unclear, but then again he's crazy, so...[/spoiler]
well, i suppose that's the best explanation for the butterflies. thanks.
And...
[spoiler=Esoteric]They were arrested because they knew too much. Cherious(sp?) Medical had been involved in the illegal manufacture of biological weapons. Both Cherious and the military wanted to keep this a secret. They intended to kill Spike and Electra, or erase their memories. And only Electra had the vaccine in her blood, not Spike. The only reason Electra had it was because she'd come in contact(most likely intimate) with Vincent before/during the war when he had the vaccine.
How did Faye get the vaccine from Vincent's blood? Well...she shoots his hand...he licks his hand...he kisses Faye with blood in his mouth. =vaccine transference.[/spoiler]
Esoteric wrote:who was that shady character who gave spike that vase and told spike about vincent's background? was he just some random guy who happened to know vincent or what?
Are you refering to the Morrocan? (I can't think of his name right now). He is in no way a random character.
[spoiler]He was the scientist which developed the nano weapon for Cherious medical. He created the nano machines as well as the vaccine which he administered to Vincent before the weapons were tested on the soldiers at Titan. The Morrocan realized the creation of such a weapon was a dangerous mistake. So he ran from Cherious. When he did so, he was unable to destroy the nano weapon to prevent it's use. He was however, able to destroy the vaccine he'd developed. By doing this, he hoped Cherious would be forced never to use it, (since they wouldn't be able to protect their own people from it once released). This strategy worked, until Vincent stole the nanos. Since the Morrocan was being hunted by Cherious, he couldn't reveal his identity straight out. He gave Spike the vase with it's dangerous contents in hopes he would put the pieces together. [/spoiler]
jon_jinn wrote:[spoiler]Okay. Then how did he know that spike was going to come to him to ask him about Vincent? Or was that a coincidence? Also, when Cherious arrested spike, why didn’t they arrest the Morrocan also? Next, did the Morrocan administer the vaccine to Vincent, or the nano machines? Or did he give them both to Vincent? And why did he give them to Vincent in the first place? Finally, I thought Lee created the nano machines? Or did lee create something else?[/spoiler]
sorry I’m bombarding you with all these questions. It’s just...sorta confusing to me.
Esoteric wrote:Whew. Okay...
[spoiler]
Spike had been asking around town all day. The Morrocan likely noticed and observed him for a while to determine if he was truly a third party. By that I mean not working for Cherious or Vincent. The Morrocan apparently decided to give Spike a clue (the vase) in hopes that as a bounty hunter, he might actually be able to do something about Vincent.
When Cherious arrested Spike, they killed the Morrocan. Remember the gunshots before the soldiers surrounded Spike? They'd been hunting him a long time and...finally got him.
The Morrocan was ordered to create the nano machines weapons for the military. On the side, he apparently also created the vaccine, however, he didn't give that to the military. Why didn't he give them the vaccine too? I dunno. Maybe they didn't ask for one, since before Vincent altered the nanos, they were designed to have a pretty short live outside of a human body (this is why when the tanker exploded, only a few hundred were infected, not the whole city. After that attack, Vincent somehow managed to alter the nanos so that they wouldn't die off in the atmosphere, hence the serious need for a vaccine when he later blows up the pumpkin balloons.)
As to when the Morrocan gave Vincent the vaccine, it's unclear. But it's plausible to assume he met Vincent before the war on Titan.
The Morrocan knew the nano weapons would be tested on Titan, and if he knew Vincent was going to be sent there, it's plausible to assume he administered the vaccine to him before he departed to Titan. Why only Vincent? We don't know. The Morrocan seems to know a lot about Vincent, but doesn't appear to regard him with much sentiment, so I doubt they were close friends. Perhaps he gave Vincent the vaccine just to see if it would actually work...if he would survive on Titan when the military released the nanos. The motive is never completely spelled out, but something along these lines in likely.
As for Lee, he's not a scientist, he's a hacker. Vincent needed someone with good hacking skills to help him administer his little challenge to the world. So he hired Lee to help him with the details, like obtaining credit cards, information and security bypasses, whatever he needed in terms of technology support. Why did Lee do it? Because he was foolish punk who wanted to make a name for himself by pulling off a major hack job. Vincent lets him hack the entire Mars computer network to deliver Vincent's "Trick or Treat" message, which was a dare for anyone trying to stop him. After Lee accomplishes this, well his usefulness run out... [/spoiler]
Yeah, that was a lot of questions, but that's okay. The plot is actually very complex and I had to watch the movie a couple times before I could put all the pieces together myself.
Tom Dincht wrote:I thought it was a good movie. While inferior to the series (as expected), it's the best job they could've done.
The R rating alone was my least favorite aspect. I felt guilty watching it and after fully viewing, I think it should've been a PG-13.
jon_jinn wrote:It's official. i now completely understand the cowboy bebop movie. everything makes sense and everything is clear. it feels so good to finally get the pieces all laid out and put together. thank you so much for answering my many questions. it must've been a little time-consuming so i appologize for that. anyways, thanks again!!!
The only reason they rated it R is because they wanted to show parents that it's not a kids movie, which it isn't but the R is just stupid because it's not R material. I mean, Steamboy and Metropolis are rated PG-13 and Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' On Heaven's Door has very little more content then those.
Esoteric wrote:I don't want to get drawn into a debate or anything but I've seen Steamboy and Bebop is definitely not on the same level. I understand why they rated it R. Vincent is a truly evil sociopath and he does some very cruel and disturbing things. They may not have been portrayed in the typical gory R manner, but they were still done with great realism which makes them just as mature a subject. So in my opinion, they did rate it correctly.
Radical Dreamer wrote:Eh, I think some of the stuff warranted an R-rating. Let's not forget about that scene with Vincent and Faye. If Bebop were live action, and that had happened in the movie in the same way, then it still would have gotten an R-rating, I think.
Tom Dincht wrote:I don't understand what you mean by this. In many PG-13 movies, villians do more disturbing things.
Notice you say it wasn't portrayed in the typical R-rated gorey manner. It was represented in a PG-13 gorey manner, thus it should have been PG-13.
I agree that it was only rated R because they wanted to show people that serious cartoons don't HAVE to be for little kids.
It was nothing more than a typical action movie. Unlike the series, there was nothing unique about it.
Radical Dreamer wrote:Eh, I think some of the stuff warranted an R-rating. Let's not forget about that scene with Vincent and Faye. If Bebop were live action, and that had happened in the movie in the same way, then it still would have gotten an R-rating, I think.
Tom Dincht wrote:Of course it would have if it was Live Action?! If it was live action it would've been a women, not a drawing of one.
Let's not forget that absolutely nothing was shown.
Tom Dincht wrote:Of course it would have if it was Live Action?! If it was live action it would've been a women, not a drawing of one.
Let's not forget that absolutely nothing was shown.
jon_jinn wrote:eh. i'm sorry but i have one more question. why did spike punch morrocan after he finished talking to him about vincent?
jon_jinn wrote:eh. i'm sorry but i have one more question. why did spike punch morrocan after he finished talking to him about vincent?
Doe Johnson wrote:hehe, i think he did it because he invented the nanomachines.
(btw, i didn't think he died at the end, i thought he just ran off before the military dudes got there)
jon_jinn wrote:gah. i have another question. what did Faye mean at the end of the movie (when she was in the plane with Jet) when she said something about horses?
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