TRinity Blood/Bleach: Thoughts? Opinions?

[Roy Mustang]

So does Sister Noelle actually have a thing for Father Abel or was that the wine
talking?

She did having feelings for him. I been reading a few webpags that gives info on each person and it said that she did.

Sister Noelle does feel that way about Father Nightroad, although it looks like she died in Barcelona, so you won't have to worry about it.

[spoiler]Sister Noelle is dead as a doornail. This makes way for another one to fall for him later in the story.[/spoiler]


Wingzero22

[RedMage]

I missed last night because of SugoiCon activities.

[mitsuki lover]

So that's probably why they had her go with him.

[freerock1]

Too bad...
[SPOILER]...about Noelle. I was kind of interested to see where they'd go with that. I'm also a little surprised, since she's in the ending credit montage.[/SPOILER]

Also, to revisit the content ratings issue... I'm a little surprised they've kept the TV-MA rating on the show in recent weeks. While earlier episodes were particularly bloody (and it will probably get bloody again toward the end), it seems to me that more recent eps could have gotten by with a TV-14. A couple could have probably gotten by with TV-PGs, specifically "Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow," and likely "Never Land."

About the only reason I can think of that they'd have kept the TV-MA is the religious context of the show (that, and they probably think TV-MA is trendy). AS still seems to be a little skiddish about giving shows with religious contexts less than a TV-MA. Though in my thinking the religious references so far in TB have been mostly respectful, unlike some of Adult Swim's (sac)religious-themed comedies that have also gotten the MA.

[mitsuki lover]

Was Witch Hunter Robin also Tv-MA?I ask because of Robin's noiminal Catholicism.

[GrubbTheFragger]

Was Witch Hunter Robin also Tv-MA?I ask because of Robin's noiminal Catholicism.

Nope it was only Tv-PG as far as i know. Some eps probably got TV-14

[uc pseudonym]

Actually, do individual episodes receive different ratings? I had always assumed that one series received an overall rating and that applied to all episodes, even if some of them were tamer than that. Would showing a lesser rating for some episodes have any sort of advantage?

[freerock1]

Was Witch Hunter Robin also Tv-MA?I ask because of Robin's noiminal Catholicism.

GrubbTheFragger is correct]Actually, do individual episodes receive different ratings? I had always assumed that one series received an overall rating and that applied to all episodes, even if some of them were tamer than that. [/QUOTE]
Different episodes can receive different ratings, generally depending on how intense the content or themes of a particular episode are. Bleach, Eureka 7, FMA and a few others have had some episodes rated TV-PG and others rated TV-14. GitS (counting both seasons as one show) and Eva were quite varied with some eps getting a TV-PG, some TV-14, and some TV-MA.

Typically, though, there won't be that much disparity in the ratings from episode to episode, because a series as a whole is trying to attract a certain audience. And usually the strictist rating a show typically gets is what is shown in promos.

Would showing a lesser rating for some episodes have any sort of advantage?

From Adult Swim's perspective, probably not, because they're probably trying to make their programming seem as "edgy" as possible without driving away advertisers.

But I know a few posters here have mentioned they kind of shied away from Trinity Blood because of its TV-MA rating. Personally I don't think recent episodes really warranted the TV-MA, and giving those episodes a lesser rating might help those viewers feel they have a better chance to check out the show. (Though that's probably not enough of a reason in Swim's book unless those viewers would make a significant impact on ratings.)

The other thing is, I get concerned about Adult Swim's overabundance of TV-MA programming, from a moral and quality standpoint (moreso on the comedy side of things than the anime side). Pushing the envelope doesn't always result in quality programming. More often than not, it results in crap.

[mitsuki lover]

And poor quality animation.

[GrubbTheFragger]

[quote="freerock1"]GrubbTheFragger is correct]


Yea the TV-MA comedys are so freaking stupid. Pushing the envelope make me angry whether it be Violence level (first ep of TB may be an exaple becuase of the end) or sexual humour.

[uc pseudonym]

Different episodes can receive different ratings, generally depending on how intense the content or themes of a particular episode are. Bleach, Eureka 7, FMA and a few others have had some episodes rated TV-PG and others rated TV-14. GitS (counting both seasons as one show) and Eva were quite varied with some eps getting a TV-PG, some TV-14, and some TV-MA.

Good to know, I suppose.

But I know a few posters here have mentioned they kind of shied away from Trinity Blood because of its TV-MA rating. Personally I don't think recent episodes really warranted the TV-MA, and giving those episodes a lesser rating might help those viewers feel they have a better chance to check out the show. (Though that's probably not enough of a reason in Swim's book unless those viewers would make a significant impact on ratings.)

That is true. I was thinking of things from the other perspective, as I think discerning viewers are more likely to think "Some of the episodes are TV-MA so I probably shouldn't watch it" than to view it because some of the episodes are TV-14. Particularly when the first episode is TV-MA.

The other thing is, I get concerned about Adult Swim's overabundance of TV-MA programming, from a moral and quality standpoint (moreso on the comedy side of things than the anime side). Pushing the envelope doesn't always result in quality programming. More often than not, it results in crap.

I can't say I've been impressed with too much of Adult Swim's original programming. Certain programs (Sealab 2021 or Aqua Teen Hunger Force, for example) have hilarious moments, but overall the writing feels too uneven for them to be solid comedy. Much less some of the more recent offerings...

[freerock1]

That is true. I was thinking of things from the other perspective, as I think discerning viewers are more likely to think "Some of the episodes are TV-MA so I probably shouldn't watch it" than to view it because some of the episodes are TV-14. Particularly when the first episode is TV-MA.

I'll buy that. Actually that was sort of how I approached GitS: 2nd Gig's original AS run, not so much because of the TV-MA itself but because of the extreme violence. I watched the first episode, and after that caught bits and pieces of it, but I decided not to watch it faithfully because I didn't want to see heads blown through every week.

I will admit, I'm watching it this go-around, mainly because I happened to catch the tail end of one episode taking place in a church, and I was curious to see what they did with that angle. But I find myself looking away at certain brutal moments.

I can't say I've been impressed with too much of Adult Swim's original programming. Certain programs (Sealab 2021 or Aqua Teen Hunger Force, for example) have hilarious moments, but overall the writing feels too uneven for them to be solid comedy. Much less some of the more recent offerings...

Agreed. While a few of them are cleverly written, I find most "mature"-themed animated comedies (on Adult Swim, Comedy Central or wherever) hardly worth watching on a number of levels.

[mitsuki lover]

Futurama remains the best non-anime show on AS and that's not even original.

[rocklobster]

I'll buy that. Actually that was sort of how I approached GitS: 2nd Gig's original AS run, not so much because of the TV-MA itself but because of the extreme violence. I watched the first episode, and after that caught bits and pieces of it, but I decided not to watch it faithfully because I didn't want to see heads blown through every week.

Actually, I'm glad they're running some of the anime uncut on AS. They really wouldn't be able to keep the fanbase around much longer if they didn't. I guess there's some good that came out of getting FLCL after all.

[mitsuki lover]

It was interesting on Bleach yesterday that the Hollow used Ichigo's memories of his mother to try to get him off his guard and it nearly worked too.

As far as Trinity Blood goes,looks like Father Abel was blaming himself for
Sister Noelle's death.

[uc pseudonym]

Ah yes, Grand Fisher. One of the more diabolical Hollows in the series. Unfortunately, he won't return for a long, long time, and doesn't play a major role once he does.

Regarding the recent episode of Trinity Blood - what did everyone think of the ending? I'll use spoiler tags just in case...
[spoiler]Did the ending imply that the bell as indeed a trap? It certainly seemed obvious in the earlier part of the episode that the Archbishop was supposed to be suspected. Nothing seems to happen at the end, but that's uncertain. Am I correct in saying the significance of the last shot is that the cross disappeared or did I miss something? Given the noisiness of others, I was having a difficult time hearing.[/spoiler]

As far as Trinity Blood goes,looks like Father Abel was blaming himself for Sister Noelle's death.

Really? Where did you get that impression?

...yes, I'm kidding.

[Doubleshadow]

As usual, since I have a roomate who can't stay awake past 10:30, I watched the Fix.

My, it was morbidly themed night on Saturday wasn't it?

[spoiler]Did the ending imply that the bell as indeed a trap? It certainly seemed obvious in the earlier part of the episode that the Archbishop was supposed to be suspected. Nothing seems to happen at the end, but that's uncertain. Am I correct in saying the significance of the last shot is that the cross disappeared or did I miss something? Given the noisiness of others, I was having a difficult time hearing.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I had fun trying to determine the sequence of events and their significance. My take on the developing issues are as follows:
The Archbishop is most definitely a bad guy. He wants revenge on the church, if not his family in particular. The bell scheme was a ploy designed to discredit Katerina. I would conjecture that Rosenkrutz wants to eliminate her influence in the Vatican as she and the AX are the only group of people effectively thwarting their efforts. They must have provided the archbishop with the fake bell, assuming it is indeed fake, to force her to make a public declaration that undermines her authority with the other cardinals and alienate her. It also will make it harder for the Pope to listen to her and act on her advice since Fransceco will constantly bring up the incident to bully the Pope into listening to him. I don't think emotionally devastating Father Nightroad to the point of nullifying him was part of their plan, but I bet they are happy. As for the bell, since the uncle is both non-suicidal and proud, I'd say the bell is not a weapon, as its use would have killed him along with everyone else and its revelation as a weapon if Katerina had managed to examine it would have destroyed have humiliated him, among other things. It could still be a weapon however, that possibility remains. And I didn't notice the cross disappearence you mentioned. Sorry.[/spoiler]

[mitsuki lover]

Nasty family stuff really.I think the Archbishop was supposed to be some kind of relative to the Pope and Lady Katherina.

I hope that Sister Esther was able to get Father Abel out of his funk.Nothing more depressing than a sulking priest.

[rocklobster]

Nasty family stuff really.I think the Archbishop was supposed to be some kind of relative to the Pope and Lady Katherina.

I hope that Sister Esther was able to get Father Abel out of his funk.Nothing more depressing than a sulking priest.

Yep. Wolfwood can be pretty depressing when he's sulking too.

[uc pseudonym]

Again on the recent episode:
[spoiler]Ah, I hadn't even thought about how it could be a plot to discredit Katrina, though that makes perfect sense. I feel very thick now.

As for the cross disappearance, I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine it. You know the large glowing blue cross that hovers above the building? If I recall it is there in one shot, there are a few shots of the characters within the chapel, then the very last shot of the episode is an outside one that is almost exactly the same but without the cross. Or I could be off somehow.[/spoiler]

[freerock1]

It figures that after I'd bring up the issue of TB being TV-MA apparently due to religious context, they'd rate this week's episode TV-14. Perhaps they had an on-the-fly policy change sometime during the week.

Anyway, as for the episode itself... specifically the last scene...
[SPOILER]I thought that in addition to the cross disappearance, I heard some kind of booming sound, perhaps a gunshot. So perhaps Katarina wasn't entirely wrong. I guess we'll see.[/SPOILER]

[Sami_jane]

ok i read a lot of the spoilers since i missed both bleach and trinity blood and from what i see about trinity, i missed a good episode. of course from reading the spoilers im now a little confused. what exactly happened?! also if someone could give me a recap on bleach i would be quite greatful.

[Hittokiri04]

Again on the recent episode:
[spoiler]Ah, I hadn't even thought about how it could be a plot to discredit Katrina, though that makes perfect sense. I feel very thick now.

As for the cross disappearance, I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine it. You know the large glowing blue cross that hovers above the building? If I recall it is there in one shot, there are a few shots of the characters within the chapel, then the very last shot of the episode is an outside one that is almost exactly the same but without the cross. Or I could be off somehow.[/spoiler]

Wow I did not notice that...hmm that could be some type of foreshadowing (or whatever you call it).

Yeah the arch bishop(s?) guy did look obviously suspisious. I tuned in after the Father Abel scene and I noticed something suspicious about the Archbishop and I didn't even see the whole ep. Oh and a question: Where do you find the anime fixes I went to the AS websites and only saw the ones for the original programming.

[Doubleshadow]

The Fix for Trinity Blood and other premiering episodes is available on Fridays starting at 6.

[Hittokiri04]

The Fix for Trinity Blood and other premiering episodes is available on Fridays starting at 6.

Only?...that sucks (-_-).

[Sami_jane]

what is that?

[freerock1]

Yeah, the anime premieres only go for 12 hours on Friday night/Saturday morning.

AS Fix does have a few older anime programs up 24/7 (they've had Samurai Champloo, Big O, and Paranoia Agent all on it), but you may have to dig a bit for them.

[Roy Mustang]

AS Fix does have a few older anime programs up 24/7 (they've had Samurai Champloo, Big O, and Paranoia Agent all on it), but you may have to dig a bit for them.

The reason why they have been taken off AS fix now, because SC and PA are on Adult Swim from 1 am to 2 am and Big O is now on AS fix.

Wingzero22

[Hittokiri04]

Yeah, the anime premieres only go for 12 hours on Friday night/Saturday morning.

AS Fix does have a few older anime programs up 24/7 (they've had Samurai Champloo, Big O, and Paranoia Agent all on it), but you may have to dig a bit for them.

That stinx...why does AS have to be difficult (<_<).

[mitsuki lover]

Who knows?

Back on topic:I think we're getting close to when Uryuu makes his offical debut on
Bleach.He was seen in a cameo a couple episodes ago doing some needle work
in class.
btw:How DOES Rukia manage to live in Ichigo's closet without his father or sisters
being none the wiser?And how does she get food,etc.?