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Postby Radical Dreamer » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:44 pm

Nate (post: 1410935) wrote:I said this in the Airbender thread, but it bears repeating here as well.

I'm going to go see Inception for one reason and one reason alone. Because Christopher Nolan hates 3D too, and refuses to make movies in 3D, and I need to support him for this.



Yes. I noticed that Inception wasn't being converted and released in 3D, and I was immensely pleased. XD And the awesome thing is, the movie's special effects are cool enough on their own that they don't even need 3D. At any rate, I hope you enjoy it when you do go see it!
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Postby Cognitive Gear » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:12 pm

So, I finally got to see this.

I'm not going to go into too much detail, but here's my offhand interpretation of the film-

[spoiler] This is a movie about making movies. We have the goal of most films: To take an idea, and create an emotionally stimulating story around it such as to manipulate the mark into feeling a particular way, and possibly into having an epiphany about that idea.

This is both what happens in the movie and what happens when creating a movie. In the movie, there is a team required to make the dream. In creating movies, there is a similarly structured team required to make the movie. (Cobb is like the director, Arthur is the producer, Ariadne is a screenwriter, Eames is an actor, Yusef is the technician, Saito is the studio executive, and Fischer is the audience.)

There are a few more parallels, such as the architect providing the world, and the dreamer "projecting" their own memories into it, much like how people often project their own experiences into the characters in stories.

The ending of the movie is sort of ambiguous, however I think that just furthers the allegory. We are to come to own own conclusions about the ending... but the entire rest of the movie has already planted the ideas in your mind. INCEPTION [/spoiler]
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Postby Shao Feng-Li » Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:58 am

I got it. It was all one big dream. Cobb's sitting in a chair somewhere and every character we see is a projection.


I got to see it on Wednesday. I loved it. Best of all, no dirty content.
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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:55 am

Cogni, that may be the coolest interpretation of the story I've ever heard.
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Postby Nate » Fri Jul 23, 2010 10:51 am

Yep, I went and saw it. Oddly (though perhaps not, as I seem to share many of his opinions) I feel almost exactly the same way Spoony did about it.

I don't regret seeing it. And I don't think this is a bad movie; not particularly. I do feel that it is a bit overrated, but still enjoyable. This is like the Final Fantasy 7 of movies, in a way. It's not bad, it's very good, but the people who really like it overrate it horribly. Guys, things can be pretty good without being the best thing ever!

So yeah it was a good movie and it was clearly allegorical to movie-making and whatnot looking back at it, especially how in a lot of movies really crazy plot-holes happen and the audience usually doesn't question them. I think it was a good allegory, but it went too overboard I think. The movie is long; and while a long movie isn't necessarily a bad movie, it is something that needs to be thought about. "Is this really a vital portion of this movie?"

I got a bit uncomfortable and a little frustrated when it hit the snow fortress. I don't know that that part was entirely necessary. It really didn't seem to add a lot to the plot, honestly. I know everyone will argue and go "NO BUT IT WAS BECAUSE IT HAD THE VAULT AND BLAH BLAH BLAH" but I really think that with a bit of good writing, the two layers would have been good enough. I've had "dream within a dream" once in my life, so going "dream within a dream within a dream" is a pretty hard pill to swallow. Not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that, like the movie itself even says, when you start playing with the laws of physics and what's possible, the projections (audience) is going to get a little hostile. And I'm getting a little hostile at what I saw as a very unnecessary and tedious portion of the movie, because it's difficult to accept that you can go that far into a dream.

I'm also a bit disappointed that this movie didn't take its own plot and really DO anything with it. I realize that this was explained a bit, but it doesn't stop it from being disappointing in a way. My first thoughts when I was watching and it was talking about going into people's dreams was "Oh man it would be so sweet if there was like a futuristic space themed dream, or like...a medieval dream with swords and magic!" But of course, this didn't happen. It was a bit disappointing that all the dreams were just boring realistic. Like I said, I know WHY this was, because the girl was creating them. Even so, it's a point against it to me.

Now I know, some are going to argue that putting in way too much crazy stuff would dilute the message of the movie or whatever, and that putting in all that stuff would shoot the budget to the moon. I realize this! It doesn't stop it from being disappointing. Same thing with the "dream defenses." Why did they all have to be just gunmen? The train was awesome; I liked that. That was good. But why not more? Why not giant monsters like Godzilla? Why not super powerful wizards shooting lightning and fireballs? It's a dream; it doesn't have to make sense.

That was another thing that bothered me. The whole explanation of "You can't mess with the world too much or the projections will get upset." I've had dreams with crazy stuff happening that would just be absolutely impossible. It didn't clue me in that it was a dream at all. It was accepted as real, because it's a dream. So why would bending reality affect the projections at all? That bothered me.

Again. Not saying this is a bad movie. It isn't a bad movie at all. It's actually really good. If nothing else, it was one of the few truly original movies to come out of Hollywood, that alone makes it worth watching. It wasn't in 3D, so again, that makes it a must-see to me, since I will be glad when this 3D fad is over with and dead (they'll just revive it again 20 years down the road like they keep doing, but at least it will be gone for a while). This movie was good, very good, but it wasn't GREAT. It dragged on a bit too long and didn't go far enough with the premise for me.
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Postby Etoh*the*Greato » Fri Jul 23, 2010 12:15 pm

Eh, fair enough.
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Postby ich1990 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:28 pm

I guess I can accept that Nate. Given that you are usually critical of anything remotely popular, even a lukewarm response is practically a glowing compliment --and you even acknowledged that there were good reasons for everything that you disliked about the film. Except two, anyways:

Not saying it's impossible, I'm just saying that, like the movie itself even says, when you start playing with the laws of physics and what's possible, the projections (audience) is going to get a little hostile. And I'm getting a little hostile at what I saw as a very unnecessary and tedious portion of the movie, because it's difficult to accept that you can go that far into a dream.
I saw the third layer as being important because of the sense of isolation from reality. In just two layers, the "surface" is reasonably close by and it is difficult for the viewer to appreciate how easy it is to get lost "down there". In other words, without seeing the third layer, the viewer can't really appreciate what happened to Cobb and Mal when they went too deep earlier in the film and lost track of what was real.

Nate (post: 1411549) wrote:That was another thing that bothered me. The whole explanation of "You can't mess with the world too much or the projections will get upset." I've had dreams with crazy stuff happening that would just be absolutely impossible. It didn't clue me in that it was a dream at all. It was accepted as real, because it's a dream. So why would bending reality affect the projections at all? That bothered me.
I think that has to do with the fact that the dream world is populated by a different person than the one who is creating/bending it. It is one thing to have weird stuff happening within your own mind, it is another to have a completely different mind messing around inside of yours.

It is not that weird things are going on, it is that foreign weird things are going on. Your brain doesn't like being messed with and lashes out.
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Postby Nate » Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:41 pm

ich1990 wrote:In other words, without seeing the third layer, the viewer can't really appreciate what happened to Cobb and Mal when they went too deep earlier in the film and lost track of what was real.

I thought they went into limbo...though I'm not sure how they got there (I don't really recall the explanation). And since they established on the first layer that dying in the situation they were in would immediately send them to limbo, I still don't see the third layer as necessary (since they were in danger of going to deep no matter what layer they were on).
I think that has to do with the fact that the dream world is populated by a different person than the one who is creating/bending it. It is one thing to have weird stuff happening within your own mind, it is another to have a completely different mind messing around inside of yours.

I guess that makes sense, to a degree, though I'm not really sure how the mind would determine who was messing around...and it still doesn't make sense as to why the projections would go after, say, Cobb's friend (the one who was in charge of doing the kicks)...he isn't warping the world, so why would they go after him? Going after the girl, sure, she's the one building and changing it, but him? He's just there.
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Postby Phantom_Sorano » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:09 pm

Despite the hype of this movie, I was not generally blown away like so many have been. Yes, it had some good visual effects, but most of them had been shown in the trailers. The plot was not hard to follow and after roughly thirty minutes, you could predict the outcome of the film.

I do applaude it, however, for its cleanliness. No sexual content was a pleasant change from most movies that play now.
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Postby ich1990 » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:53 pm

Nate (post: 1411640) wrote:I thought they went into limbo...though I'm not sure how they got there (I don't really recall the explanation). And since they established on the first layer that dying in the situation they were in would immediately send them to limbo, I still don't see the third layer as necessary (since they were in danger of going to deep no matter what layer they were on).
It is not the danger of limbo that I am referring to, but the danger of getting lost in the dream world and forgetting what is real. Yes, Limbo is a danger, but it is possible to get out of it (maybe, depending on your interpretation) like Cobb did. The real horror is going so far down that you can't see the surface. Or can't tell what is the surface anymore. Like what happened to Mal.

I guess that makes sense, to a degree, though I'm not really sure how the mind would determine who was messing around...and it still doesn't make sense as to why the projections would go after, say, Cobb's friend (the one who was in charge of doing the kicks)...he isn't warping the world, so why would they go after him? Going after the girl, sure, she's the one building and changing it, but him? He's just there.
I think you are talking about the chemist? He was being attacked by psychic projections from the guy they were trying to pull the Inception on, not the general population of the dream world. He was the creator of the first level of the dream, but he didn't try to change things because he didn't want to deal with trouble from both sides. Or maybe he wasn't good enough to be able to do so. It is hinted that it takes a lot of skill to preform.

Also, don't forget that Mal, the train, and presumably other projections are carried into various levels of the dream by Cobb, as evidence of his guilt. This could account for some of the attacks that you are thinking of.
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Postby Nate » Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:56 pm

ich1990 wrote:It is not the danger of limbo that I am referring to, but the danger of getting lost in the dream world and forgetting what is real. Yes, Limbo is a danger, but it is possible to get out of it (maybe, depending on your interpretation) like Cobb did. The real horror is going so far down that you can't see the surface. Or can't tell what is the surface anymore. Like what happened to Mal.

I thought that only happened because he did inception to her and screwed up her mind. It wasn't that she went so far down that she couldn't see the surface, it was that he sabotaged her thoughts. I don't know that you can "get lost" in the dream world]I think you are talking about the chemist? He was being attacked by psychic projections from the guy they were trying to pull the Inception on, not the general population of the dream world.[/QUOTE]
No, I was talking about the guy who would hear the music to give everyone the kick needed to wake up. Cobb's best friend, with the loaded die (y'know, I never did figure out anyone's names in that movie aside from Cobb, Mal, Fischer and Saito). I wasn't talking about the psychic defenses either, I understand that. What I meant was, the part where they were in the hotel, and he and the girl were sitting on the bench and the projections kept looking at them and they were trying to divert attention from themselves. They weren't doing anything at all at the time, why would they get attention? It's not like Cobb who definitely drew attention by telling Fischer it was a dream. That's understandable.
Also, don't forget that Mal, the train, and presumably other projections are carried into various levels of the dream by Cobb, as evidence of his guilt. This could account for some of the attacks that you are thinking of.

Y'know, I never did realize until you just said it that the train in the first layer was Cobb's doing, not Fischer's. Makes perfect sense now that I think about it.

Oh yeah, speaking of trains and Mal and Cobb, http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF048-Suicide_Train.gif

And eh I guess I'll put this in spoiler boxes since I'm getting into specific plots.
[SPOILER]Someone else mentioned it, but I'll second it since I'm confused about it too. Cobb mentioned that he and Mal grew old together in their dream/limbo/whatever. There was even a momentary scene of an old couple holding hands that was supposed to be them. But when they stick their heads on the train tracks, they're young. What's up with that?[/SPOILER]
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Postby ich1990 » Sat Jul 24, 2010 9:42 am

Oh, I forgot to mention earlier that I really like your theory Cognitive Gear, I hadn't even noticed the correlations before you mentioned them.

Nate (post: 1411693) wrote:I thought that only happened because he did inception to her and screwed up her mind.
Bear in mind that I have only seen the movie once, and that I may have some of the details confused. What I though had happened was that Mal didn't want to leave limbo/dreamworld because she had begun to accept her current place as reality. Inception was Cobb's solution to the problem, not the problem itself.

I don't know. Looking back, they never did give a satisfactory answer as to what limbo was or how you get there (aside from dying under the sedative).
True. I guess Nolan thought that the immediate danger of limbo was good enough for the viewer. I would have liked more, though.

No, I was talking about the guy who would hear the music to give everyone the kick needed to wake up. Cobb's best friend, with the loaded die (y'know, I never did figure out anyone's names in that movie aside from Cobb, Mal, Fischer and Saito). I wasn't talking about the psychic defenses either, I understand that. What I meant was, the part where they were in the hotel, and he and the girl were sitting on the bench and the projections kept looking at them and they were trying to divert attention from themselves. They weren't doing anything at all at the time, why would they get attention? It's not like Cobb who definitely drew attention by telling Fischer it was a dream. That's understandable.
Hm, not sure about that part either. I would have to watch it to be sure. It was the loaded die guy who made that level of the dream, right? Perhaps when he first came into the dream world he created all of those C-4 bricks that he uses later in the dream.

And eh I guess I'll put this in spoiler boxes since I'm getting into specific plots.
[SPOILER]Someone else mentioned it, but I'll second it since I'm confused about it too. Cobb mentioned that he and Mal grew old together in their dream/limbo/whatever. There was even a momentary scene of an old couple holding hands that was supposed to be them. But when they stick their heads on the train tracks, they're young. What's up with that?[/SPOILER]
That was actually me who brought that up earlier in the thread. It is still my biggest unanswered question about the series. Well, it can all be answered by saying [spoiler]That the whole movie was just Cobb, in limbo, performing Inception on himself to get rid of his longstanding guilt so he can be with his kids[/spoiler] but I am not totally convinced that is what happened.
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Postby ShiroiHikari » Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:04 am

ich1990 (post: 1411598) wrote:It is not that weird things are going on, it is that foreign weird things are going on. Your brain doesn't like being messed with and lashes out.


Exactly. It's in keeping with the concept of ideas being like viruses. The person who enters your dream-- especially if that person intends to plant something infectious in your mind, such as an idea --is seen as an invader. The subconscious projections are like white blood cells, intent on destroying that foreign body. I think Cobb even straight up said that in the film (but it's easy to miss that sort of thing).

Anyway, I thought the movie was one of the best I've seen in a long time. If it doesn't get at least one Oscar nomination, I will lose the last scrap of faith I had in the Academy.

Was anyone else impressed with the acting? I honestly did not think that DiCaprio was such a capable actor. I also didn't know that Joseph Gordon-Levitt could act. And as always, Cillian Murphy and Ken Watanabe were great. This movie just had a really good cast all around.

By the way, I actually liked that the dream visuals weren't too nonsensical. Yes, in real life, dreams are often a jumbled-up mess, created by our subconscious mind. But think of it this way-- in this film, these dreams do not come from the dreamer's own subconscious, but are carefully constructed by the "architect" for the specific purpose of feeling like reality. If the person knows it's a dream, then inception won't work. Besides, with all that plot going on, strange, dreamlike visuals would have been REALLY distracting.

I also liked that the film wasn't all, "OH MAN CHECK OUT THESE COOL VISUALS!" It was spectacular when it needed to be without overdoing it.
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Postby chibiphonebooth » Tue Jul 27, 2010 2:39 pm

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Postby Radical Dreamer » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:24 pm

Savannah, you make me laugh so hard. XDDD

Also:

ShiroiHikari wrote:By the way, I actually liked that the dream visuals weren't too nonsensical. Yes, in real life, dreams are often a jumbled-up mess, created by our subconscious mind. But think of it this way-- in this film, these dreams do not come from the dreamer's own subconscious, but are carefully constructed by the "architect" for the specific purpose of feeling like reality. If the person knows it's a dream, then inception won't work. Besides, with all that plot going on, strange, dreamlike visuals would have been REALLY distracting.

I also liked that the film wasn't all, "OH MAN CHECK OUT THESE COOL VISUALS!" It was spectacular when it needed to be without overdoing it.


I agree with this 100%.

Also, I found this earlier today and thought I'd share it. XD It's a diagram explaining the different dream levels in the movie. Honestly, the diagram itself is kind of confusing, so if you didn't already understand the movie, you probably won't get the diagram either. XD Still, it's cool to look at!

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Postby ShiroiHikari » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:12 pm

That timeline is...more confusing than the movie was. Cool idea though.
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Postby Mister Frodo » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:35 pm

Nate (post: 1411693) wrote:
And eh I guess I'll put this in spoiler boxes since I'm getting into specific plots.
[SPOILER]Someone else mentioned it, but I'll second it since I'm confused about it too. Cobb mentioned that he and Mal grew old together in their dream/limbo/whatever. There was even a momentary scene of an old couple holding hands that was supposed to be them. But when they stick their heads on the train tracks, they're young. What's up with that?[/SPOILER]


[SPOILER]My thought was that Cobb's guilt over not being able to grow old together in the real world (because Mal killed herself) kept him from acknowledging that they did in fact grow old together in limbo. All the prior scenes in the limbo (including the suicide train scene) showed him and Mal younger because he wouldn't acknowledge it. It wasn't until near the end of the film, when he acknowledges that they did grow old together, that their proper ages are shown. So they really were old when they lay on the train tracks, he was just mis-remembering (there's a better, non-made-up word for this) their appearances during that scene because of his guilt. Sorry if I explained this poorly, but that was my take on it.[/SPOILER]

As for my thoughts on the film, I really enjoyed it. I thought the characters were interesting, and I became invested in even smaller characters like the Chemist (I totally forget his name) and Saito (though I don't know if he's technically a smaller character). My favorite thing was the gradual revealing of Cobb's past, and how the film delved into his regrets and guilt. Also, the recurring lines throughout the film ("An old man, filled with regret..." and "You're waiting for a train...") were cool. All in all, I really liked the film, and I think it may have turned me into a borderline Christopher Nolan fanboy (though the only other films of I've seen of his are his Batman ones).
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Postby Radical Dreamer » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:16 pm

Mister Frodo (post: 1412921) wrote:[SPOILER]My thought was that Cobb's guilt over not being able to grow old together in the real world (because Mal killed herself) kept him from acknowledging that they did in fact grow old together in limbo. All the prior scenes in the limbo (including the suicide train scene) showed him and Mal younger because he wouldn't acknowledge it. It wasn't until near the end of the film, when he acknowledges that they did grow old together, that their proper ages are shown. So they really were old when they lay on the train tracks, he was just mis-remembering (there's a better, non-made-up word for this) their appearances during that scene because of his guilt. Sorry if I explained this poorly, but that was my take on it.[/SPOILER]

As for my thoughts on the film, I really enjoyed it. I thought the characters were interesting, and I became invested in even smaller characters like the Chemist (I totally forget his name) and Saito (though I don't know if he's technically a smaller character). My favorite thing was the gradual revealing of Cobb's past, and how the film delved into his regrets and guilt. Also, the recurring lines throughout the film ("An old man, filled with regret..." and "You're waiting for a train...") were cool. All in all, I really liked the film, and I think it may have turned me into a borderline Christopher Nolan fanboy (though the only other films of I've seen of his are his Batman ones).


1: I agree with your spoilered analysis. I think that's the best way to understand why they look that way in those scenes.

2: You need to see The Prestige. Like, right now. Go. Seriously. XD It's so good. XD
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Postby Warrior 4 Jesus » Tue Aug 03, 2010 8:13 am

I've just come back from watching Inception for the first time. Wow. Consider my mind blown. Combine elements of Memento, James Bond, The Matrix, The Sandman (graphic novels), LOST, ExistenZ, Dark City and Oceans 11 and you may get some idea of what this movie has to offer. The script could have been a little tighter in places and character development was minimal but this is one movie that stands strong on it's high-concept ideas and visual storytelling. Just brilliant! You can't be told what Inception is, you have to see it for yourself.

I didn't find the plot difficult to follow but the intricacies of the dreams sometimes required much thought (but that was a good thing).

Phantom, yes, many of the visual effects were shown in the trailers but that didn't bother me. We knew next to nothing about the movie going into it. I was so excited when we saw the context for the trailer scenes. Finally, the majority of visual effects in Inception were done for real. There's very little CGI (in comparison to similarly epic movies).

Nate, I have no problem with the idea of a dream within a dream within a dream. I've experienced it before and it's very disorienting and eerie. As for dinosaurs and monsters, I don't think they would've suited the story.

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Postby Warrior4Christ » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:24 am

I enjoyed it a lot, as others did.

Some questions:
[spoiler]When the dreamers were being bumped around in the back of the van as it was chased, that was shown to bump the dream in pretty much real-time - but the van took ages to fall in the dream. Inconsistent!

Then when the van was falling, the hotel dream was in zero-gravity, but the snow base dream wasn't... why?? The dreamers were definitely in zero gravity there - but were they insulated from it or something?

The "real life is actually limbo" interpretation is questionable - if Cobb's already in limbo for the "real world", how is it that sometimes when they die in limbo, they go to a deeper limbo, and other times when they're killed in a dream, they just go up to a higher-level dream? Actually, that interpretation doesn't sit well with me. Limbo was shown to be.. empty, self-designed (with their own buildings), fairly boring, etc, whereas real life was shown to be normal, hectic, orderly, and people with real personalities and such. There seemed to be quite a distinction.

Also, Mal was depicted as being sufficiently insane, and Cobb was cool and collected... how could they pull the insanity card on Leo again this time?

Near the end, Saito is old and has the spinning top and a gun on the table... then it just cuts to Cobb waking up on the plane (as though he had never participated in the inception). How'd that happen??[/spoiler]

That diagram is also very cool and makes sense.
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Postby Nate » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:01 pm

This post is not meant to be taken seriously; it is a joke.

BREAKING NEWS EVERYONE. Turns out Inception is not as original as Christopher Nolan would have us think! Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Turns out he totally ripped off a Scrooge McDuck comic. Nice theft, Nolan! You can see the evidence here:

http://videogum.com/208132/caught-inception-ripped-off-scrooge-mcduck/remakes-and-spinoffs/

And even read the ORIGINAL (and therefore better) version here:

http://disneycomics.free.fr/Ducks/Rosa/show.php?num=1&loc=D2002-033&s=date
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Postby the_wolfs_howl » Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:07 pm

Nate (post: 1411693) wrote:(y'know, I never did figure out anyone's names in that movie aside from Cobb, Mal, Fischer and Saito)


:lol: Ha! You know what? Me too! Except I remembered Ariadne's name because I'm in love with the Labyrinth myth. But yeah, I was trying to discuss the cooler points of the movie with my brother afterward, and I had to keep on saying "the slick-haired dude" because I couldn't remember his name D:

But anyway - yes, an awesome movie! Very thought-provoking, and I don't even care if it kindasorta puts suicide in a good light. It makes me think, which is enough for me.
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Postby Fish and Chips » Sat Sep 11, 2010 7:30 pm

Finally caught this a couple weeks back with my sister, completely forgot to post about it.

What to say, what to say.

At its roots, I think Inception is a very good heist movie; however, as a movie about dreams and dreaming, its pretty poor. Aside from preparing the new architect to do their job and a few minutes here and there, the whole dreaming concept was little more than excuse for some quick scene change. I could accept the first layer being realistic since they're trying to convince Dr. Jonathan Crane its the real world, but as they delved deeper I'd have expected more surreal landscapes and figments to arise instead of an expensive hotel and an inexplicable winter fortress, especially when they started jumping into dreams within dreams of different people. As it stands, its a thorough waste of a bunch of good ideas - a solid setup to a disappointing execution. Satoshi Kon and Tim Schafer delivered a more compelling final product than Christopher Nolan did.

Also, that squaring timing nonsense they spent several minutes going over was apparently bogus, since it didn't work out that way at all.

And to those people saying Inception is deep, no, it really isn't. It's standard action movie fare hiding behind big words and wearing the clothes of a much more intelligent movie. There wasn't that much substance to it outside of Cobb's relationship with his (deceased) wife and Fischer's highly artificial relationship with his (again deceased) father.

Though for the most forgettable movie Nolan's ever done, I still enjoyed it.
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Postby Bobtheduck » Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:27 am

Nate (post: 1414081) wrote:This post is not meant to be taken seriously]http://videogum.com/208132/caught-inception-ripped-off-scrooge-mcduck/remakes-and-spinoffs/[/url]

And even read the ORIGINAL (and therefore better) version here:

http://disneycomics.free.fr/Ducks/Rosa/show.php?num=1&loc=D2002-033&s=date


Ankiepat on that first site said the comic came out in Norway the same time Nolan pitched Inception to Warner, so he couldn't have even known about it. But someone will say he should have done something with it earlier before the comic came out and did something with the idea, and even though he didn't get the idea from the comic, it's cheap to come out with it after that comic came out because they're just riding the coattails of the success of that comic... ok... that last bit was a stretch (the big about success) but... someone may get my thinly veiled reference there.

I actually had a dream about Dreamsharing (I even called it that, which really bothered me once I saw Inception), and planned on including it in my stories for a long time (though it only first shows up in my second book, and it requires the dream sharers to both basically be Psychic, and they don't necessarily see each other's dreams, but rather enter a neutral place where they can communicate) and when I saw Inception, I almost hit myself because I knew I was gonna face accusations of ripping it off. *sigh*

It's really impossible for me to account for all the subconscious inspiration I received, so at leas I should be up front about the conscious inspiration (anti-Harry Potter's parent love since I'm adopted and don't care a bit for my biological parents, a [spoiler]hero becoming a villain convincingly, because I despised how rough the transition was between Star Wars Ep 1 and 2, and his final shift to evil was pathetic)[/spoiler], collecting quests in RPGs, unfortunately (I had built my first story around it back in the '90s and didn't feel like purging it because it would change the whole story), my own disappointment with discrepancies between what I learned about history as a child and what I learned about it as an adult...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evcNPfZlrZs Watch this movie なう。 It's legal, free... And it's more than its premise. It's not saying Fast Food is good food. Just watch it.
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Postby TGJesusfreak » Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:22 pm

Rad wrote:You need to see The Prestige. Like, right now. Go. Seriously. XD It's so good. XD
That is possibly one of the greatest movies ever Rad. Just thought I'd put that in there.

anyway,
I have not seen this movie yet but will soon enough. =) Looking forward too it.
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