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Fatal Attack In Tokyo
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:18 am
by ashfire
Just hitting the news. A man drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians jump out and began stubbing people. At this time 7 are dead and 11 injuried.
Police threaten the man with guns to surrender which he did.
It has been reported that he said he was a gangster and was tried of life and people.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:04 am
by eternalprincess
*sighs sadly*
That is saddening. I'll be praying for the families and for him.
A reminder of how much we need God and his redeeming love. God is what will full that loneliness, He's what we're looking for.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:29 am
by Nate
To provide a bit more detailed info, this happened specifically in the Akihabara district of Tokyo.
Just goes to prove that banning guns won't stop violent crime. Also shows that stress is more than likely a major factor in actions like this...remember, Japan has a word that literally means "worked to death."
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:48 am
by shade of dae
ashfire (post: 1233937) wrote: A man drove a truck into a crowd of pedestrians jump out and began stubbing people.
Man, I would really hate to be stubbed to death.
All kidding aside, I agree with Nate. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. I will be praying for the families of those killed and injured.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:10 am
by Mr. SmartyPants
What the heck is this crap they are Asian they should be able to incapacitate the man with their kungfu moves WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM?
I'm calling shenanigans.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:13 am
by AsianBlossom
But you don't stab people with guns.
Still, it
is sad. It also goes to show that Japan isn't completely immune to crime, despite the fact that the country is generally safer than others. Not completely safe, but safer than others.
Mr. SmartyPants (post: 1233955) wrote:I'm calling shenanigans.
My brother says you stole his quote. XD
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:19 am
by Nate
AsianBlossom wrote:But you don't stab people with guns.
I know that...which is why I said, "This proves that banning guns doesn't stop violent crime." o.O It was a remark on how it is extremely difficult to get guns in Japan, and yet this man still was able to murder people easily, showing that even when guns aren't obtainable people will still commit crimes.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:30 am
by eternalprincess
Nate (post: 1233959) wrote:I know that...which is why I said, "This proves that banning guns doesn't stop violent crime." o.O It was a remark on how it is extremely difficult to get guns in Japan, and yet this man still was able to murder people easily, showing that even when guns aren't obtainable people will still commit crimes.
*nods*
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:39 am
by AsianBlossom
Ah, okay. It's just that people started talking about guns because of your comment, and I was thinking to myself that guns were only involved on the police side of this. I get it now.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:58 am
by ClosetOtaku
Obviously a very disturbed young man who lacked the decency to take out his death wish by walking into the path of a shinkansen.
It will be interesting, over the next few days, as the pyschological profile of the perpetrator is released to the press.
The apparent increase in violent crime, coupled with the documented rise in suicide, makes me wonder just what is going on in the Japanese societal psyche at the moment. Expect it to be reflected in anime and manga after the next commercial break.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:15 am
by ShiroiHikari
Nate speaks the truth. If people want to kill, they're going to kill regardless of whether they have guns or not.
Anyway, it's a sad story that really could have happened anywhere to anybody.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:46 pm
by ashfire
I read recently where people over there are using cleaning fluids to kill themselfs. They mix them then breath the fumes. It kills them but also causes a Haz Mat situation because the fumes will also vent through apartment buildings making other people sick.
My friend is a Captain in the EMS side of the Tokyo Fire Service and I have been waiting to see his E mails on any of this.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:30 pm
by Shilohan ninja
Mr. SmartyPants (post: 1233955) wrote:What the heck is this crap they are Asian they should be able to incapacitate the man with their kungfu moves WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM?
I'm calling shenanigans.
Dude, seriously, if my sociology teacher from last quarter saw that, which I don't think she has, she'd flip out and start giving you the whole schpeal on how you're being so stereotypical and racist! Besides, I know Russians and Latinos who are into those types of martial arts. I also know asians that have no martial arts training whatsoever.
Anywho, I agree with the lot of you; pray. Pray very hard for Japan and the rest of Asia.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:38 pm
by Warrior 4 Jesus
Mr Smartypants is Asian himself.
He's not to be taken seriously.
As for this Tokyo killing incident it's very sad but not surprising. They are a very reserved culture and all the negative attributes of humans are kept under wraps. That's not healthy for anyone. It only fuels the problem.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:55 pm
by Mr. SmartyPants
I was waiting for someone to flip out at me. XD
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:56 am
by Mave
Gee, we might as well decide not to ban grenades. My home country is plagued with all sorts of crimes despite the ban on guns but I shudder to imagine what would happen if guns were legally allowed to the public.
Anyway, crimes like this are so rare in Japan that when it actually happens, everyone just eats it up. That's good, I hope this should remain
rare there. I'm sincerely sorry about what happened.
Mr Smartypants is Asian himself.He's not to be taken seriously.
Yeah, only Asians are allowed to flip out at each other.
*slaps MSP a dozen times before landing him down with one Bruce Lee flying kick*
Stop bashing your own, you traitorous rat!
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:24 am
by termyt
Desperate people do desperate things regardless of culture or the availability of weapons.
Warrior 4 Jesus (post: 1234106) wrote:Mr Smartypants is Asian himself.
He's not to be taken seriously.
So, you are saying Asians aren't to be taken seriously?? How rude!!!!!!!111!!one!
But since Mave herself posted before and did not take issue with such a horrendous statement, I will let it slide, too.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:55 am
by eternalprincess
*nods* As previously stated, people will kill no matter what.
*grabs MSP out of Mave's clutches*
Be nice Mave, or I might be tempted to injure you! XD
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:42 am
by ClosetOtaku
AP reporting the attacker "had a penchant for computer games and anime" and "listed a female computer game character as his 'favorite person' in his junior high school yearbook". Also lists his occupation as "factory worker".
A hikikomori gone bad? Or perhaps yet another otaku on the skids. In any event, he telegraphed his intentions by posting messages on an Internet BB from his cell phone. Sounds like something out right out of Shonen Jump.
There's something here about alienation, I suspect, but why an alienated person would then turn and take it out on innocent bystanders... I don't know. Andy Warhol was satisfied just painting soup cans.
Stay tuned...
PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:06 am
by Shilohan ninja
They say idle hands are the devil's workshop.
I believe when you feel bad about yourself and have low self esteem, you hold less fro others as well. The silent scream has never been so loud as now. Pray, beloved.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 5:52 pm
by ashfire
NHK news reported that 3 of those involved in the attack were killed by the rented truck that the man used to ran into a crowd of pedestrains.
He then jumped from the truck and walked through the crowds with a survival knife he had purchased before the attack. Four that died of stub wounds were stubbed once in the chest. Ages were 17 to 60 that died.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:04 pm
by mechana2015
ashfire (post: 1234525) wrote:NHK news reported that 3 of those involved in the attack were killed by the rented truck that the man used to ran into a crowd of pedestrains.
He then jumped from the truck and walked through the crowds with a survival knife he had purchased before the attack. Four that died of stub wounds were stubbed once in the chest. Ages were 17 to 60 that died.
You do mean stab right?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:42 pm
by Warrior 4 Jesus
No, ticket stubs. They were stubbed in the chest. Would hurt like the dickens.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:47 am
by termyt
Warrior 4 Jesus (post: 1234595) wrote:No, ticket stubs. They were stubbed in the chest. Would hurt like the dickens.
Yeah, my grandfather went the same way.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:33 am
by ashfire
ashfire (post: 1234525) wrote:NHK news reported that 3 of those involved in the attack were killed by the rented truck that the man used to ran into a crowd of pedestrains.
He then jumped from the truck and walked through the crowds with a survival knife he had purchased before the attack. Four that died of stub wounds were stubbed once in the chest. Ages were 17 to 60 that died.
HEY When your tried and its time to go to bed sometimes you don't realize what you are doing. I get up at 5:30AM and into bed at 10 PM.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:17 am
by Raiden no Kishi
Mave (post: 1234174) wrote:Gee, we might as well decide not to ban grenades. My home country is plagued with all sorts of crimes despite the ban on guns but I shudder to imagine what would happen if guns were legally allowed to the public.
I don't want to get heavily into the subject, but have you looked at Vermont's gun laws and their crime rates? Interesting stuff.
On topic, it's saddening what people will do to each other. It's just another sign of why the world needs Christ.
.rai//
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:27 am
by CAAOutkast
Raiden no Kishi (post: 1234686) wrote:I don't want to get heavily into the subject, but have you looked at Vermont's gun laws and their crime rates? Interesting stuff.
On topic, it's saddening what people will do to each other. It's just another sign of why the world needs Christ.
.rai//
I strongly Agree with you on both matters,Rai!
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:52 am
by Nate
*sticks his head in, yells "CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION!" and sticks his head back out*
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:00 pm
by Mr. SmartyPants
Nate (post: 1234696) wrote:*sticks his head in, yells "CORRELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSATION!" and sticks his head back out*
Exactly, which is why your previous statement is no more verifiable than Rai's.
There is obviously a correlation between gun laws and rates of violence, but you also have to take into account of many things. Societal structures, amount of poverty, population of cities, political ratio, and societal classes can also be important factors when it comes to the rate of violence in a city or country.
What I'm saying is that you can't really make a statement like "Banning guns will decrease crime" or "Banning guns will increase crime" based on statistics alone. There are probably like... 10,000 other factors that you'd have to take into account.
Just goes to prove that banning guns won't stop violent crime. Also shows that stress is more than likely a major factor in actions like this...remember, Japan has a word that literally means "worked to death."
Well you can't really "stop" violent crime, but is there a correlation between banned guns in Japan and the crime rates? Also take into account with what I said earlier.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:10 pm
by Nate
Mr. SmartyPants wrote:Exactly, which is why your previous statement is no more verifiable than Rai's.
Yes, it is. I never said "Banning guns decreases crime!" nor did I say "Making guns legal decreases crime!"
I said that it shows that banning guns will not stop violent crime. This is a verifiable statement. Guns are extremely difficult to come by in Japan. Violent crimes still occur. I'm not saying that the banning of guns causes violent crimes to occur.
Basically, Rai was saying "If you look at Vermont's gun laws and their crime rates, it's interesting." While he didn't say it, the implication was that having guns readily available does not make the crime rate go up. Maybe that's true, but there's other factors. For example, there might be another state or country in which guns are readily available and the crime is astronomical.
I'm not trying to make a cause/effect statement. I simply said, banning guns won't stop violent crime. This is the proof of that statement. It's also true in the UK where guns are difficult to come by, but the rate of stabbings is almost twice that of the US. All I'm saying is if you ban guns, people will find other ways to commit crimes, by knife, by vehicular homicide, etc.