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Poll: CAA on the political spectrum?

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:57 pm
by minakichan
Where do the Christian lifestyle and anime fandom primarily overlap? In politics, of course!*

Out of curiosity, I'm wondering how CAA members generally fall along the political spectrum. There's a pretty common tendency (or stereotype?) that modern Christians in the West are more conservative; anime fans and young people tend to be a bit more liberal. Does our anime fandom-ness (or youth, for some of us) skew the stereotype at all? Is the stereotype even valid in the first place? I'd like to quantify this!

Personally, I was raised Christian and conservative, but as I started paying more attention to politics, I found that I held a lot of fairly liberal beliefs; lots of people actually mistakenly assume that I'm left-wing (I've been called a Democrat, a liberal, or a terrorist on various occasions >_>). I don't know my leaning that much anymore-- I guess I self-identify as a moderate conservative with liberal viewpoints?

What about you? ^^

*This statement was a completely brash and illogical generalization with no rational basis behind it whatsoever; it was written without an ounce of wit in a futile attempt to sound clever.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:01 pm
by bakura_fan
....I'm pretty sure we can't talk politics on here, due to potential debates, flaming, degrading remarks, etc.

http://www.christiananime.net/faq.php?faq=caa_info#faq_new_faq_item

"Politics- Political threads and posts will be closed if posted. Politics has nothing to do with Christianity or anime, our two primary topics, and furthermore only causes opportunity for division within our community. In short, there's simply no positive purpose for them here. "

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:05 pm
by minakichan
...It's just a poll though... I'm not asking people to tell me why...

Oh well >_>;

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:06 pm
by bakura_fan
minakichan wrote:...It's just a poll though... I'm not asking people to tell me why...

Oh well >_>;


even though it's just a poll...it most likely will end up in someone saying something that will offend someone else...therefore creating debate and causing this thread to spiral into an unevitable doom. =_=; However, it is up to the mods to lock or not.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:48 pm
by ChristianKitsune
i am with Bakura Fan...^^; this thread probably won't last long.

I am conservative to answer your question mildly. Until this thread is locked or given the go-ahead I will not say anymore.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:01 pm
by ADXC
Yeah, Im pretty sure this thread is going to be locked as well, but in the meantime I'll say the Im conservative.

And thats ALL im going to say.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:10 pm
by Puguni
Most people here are conservative. It's fairly obvious.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:52 pm
by Mr. SmartyPants
I consider myself to be moderate.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:17 pm
by beau99
Left-wing Libertarian.

PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:53 pm
by Kaligraphic
I'm in favor of a singular worldwide autocracy, with myself at the top. This will, of course, naturally transition after I die into an undead aristocracy, ruled with an iron fist by myself and my undead servants. If you all pledge your souls to me now, you can gain a higher rank in the coming order of things.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:53 am
by Nate
Puguni wrote:Most people here are conservative. It's fairly obvious.

I'm not too sure about that. There's a lot more liberals than you think on CAA, it's just that they don't talk about it publicly, and that's all I will say.

For the record, I'm moderate.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:10 am
by rocklobster
well, all we have to do to lock this thread is to get me to post in it. It seems every time I post in a controversial thread, it gets locked sooner or later. I am mostly conservative.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:06 am
by Hana Ryuuzaki
LOCKED THREAD ALERT!

Well...I could care less about politics. But i was raised as a Christian with conservative and liberal themes.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:41 am
by Cognitive Gear
I find it strange and pleasing that this thread is still open. Since it is, I will merely say that I am moderate.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:58 am
by Danderson
Man, I used to be, like really political...like I was so serious about it....Like I would absolutely despise beyond reason those who didn't agree with my political views....(note: this is not becuase of my parents but becuase of myself; just the way I thought)......
.....But now I'm a little more mature about these things.....I don't look down on ppl who have different views anymore.....Doesn't mean I agree with them, but I definetly don't take it as far as wanting to kill them or anything......Usually, I try to avoid political talks amongst friends becuase some of them definetly aren't afraid to start a full blown debate or argument and I'm like, "Guys, we're friends here! Come on!"......and I think I'm done........

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:00 am
by Debitt
While my views alternately lean left or right, I consider myself a moderate. :3

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:34 am
by Omega Amen
Cognitive Gear wrote:I find it strange and pleasing that this thread is still open.
Huh.

I see this thread open and I wonder if the mods have not had a chance to look at this thread.

As for my political profile, conservative.

minakichan, your hypothesis of anime fans likely to be more liberal sets off some other thoughts in my head, mainly if there is a better hypothesis.

Personally, I find that I like/am interested in anime has more to do with my curiosity and/or willingness to accept artforms/cultural themes that are not from the West. I think this has to do with being raised by a Chinese mother for me, and also that I believe Christianity to be super-cultural, or it is above a man-made culture and can possibly be applied without changing every single aspect of said culture. Therefore, I still endorse/not endorse content based on my social and moral beliefs, but I am more willing to look at anime and appreciate it than a lot of people who are only comfortable looking at content made from a Western viewpoint.

So, wouldn't a better question would be like: Why do young anime fans in the West like anime? Are they mainly attracted to it for the possibility of seeing content that goes against traditional Western moral values/beliefs? Or is it mainly for something else, like art style or typical character archetypes?

I think that type of question will get better grasp at the heart of the matter, and make it more acceptable here on CAA for discussion.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:54 am
by Fish and Chips
I tend to lean Conservatively on some issues, Liberal on others, but on the whole I'd say I'm a borderline political agnostic these days.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:14 pm
by ShiroiHikari
I voted "centrist" because I consider myself pretty moderate most of the time. Though I may lean a little more to the right than the left...I don't really think about it too much.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:44 pm
by Anna Mae
I am interested in the results of the poll and am glad that people have been civil so far.

I am nonpartisan; I do not subscribe to a political party but am still politically active.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:51 pm
by uc pseudonym
I think Omega Amen's theory is most accurate: none of us had seen the thread yet. As the representative of the moderators, for the moment I won't make a decision. Obviously, no one should begin arguing politics or comment too extensively on such issues. The verdict on this thread's fate will come later.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:13 pm
by bakura_fan
Here's something my dad sent me awhile back.
http://www.christocrat.com/

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:43 pm
by ADXC
@ Bakura fan- That does sound really good, but its sorta hard to believe something like this could happen. I mean I would like this to happen, but I just not sure. Man, wouldn't it be something if this whole country came under the rule of God(Well it sorta is, in the way the fate of the country is going, but not the people. Or at least some of the people.), a Theocracy! I'd like this country to not fall, but it probably is going to anyway sometime in the future.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:16 pm
by Mithrandir
In line with UC's deal above - let's take discussions of BF's post to PM, please. I don't think we wanna have that spark in this thread.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:20 pm
by Shadowalker
I consider myself fairly centrist. I will say, though, that on foreign policy issues I'm strongly non-interventionist. Oddly enough, that stance tends to have some conservatives, and some liberals, favouring it.

PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:36 pm
by RobinSena
Nate wrote:I'm not too sure about that. There's a lot more liberals than you think on CAA, it's just that they don't talk about it publicly, and that's all I will say.

For the record, I'm moderate.

I have to give a major x2 to Nate's post. I'm probably moderate myself, and from what I've read while lurking on here, I don't remember anything he's said that I've disagreed with. :P

PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:24 am
by mechana2015
I wouldn't call myself centrist in the typical sense, but moderate in the sense of beliefs, so, none of the above on your list.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:56 am
by Mave
I don't even bother to vote, taking into mind that not all governments function like the U.S.

I'm guessing that I'm mostly moderate but sometimes, I switch to apolitical.

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:46 am
by Technomancer
I won't vote in this poll since neither the term "conservative" nor "liberal" is defined here, and as a result can only be thought of in terms of a strictly American political culture. As Mave pointed out, the nature of these terms will differ from country to country. For that matter, even within the United States these terms are only poorly defined and seem to cover a wide range of ideologies and positions. Unfortunately, too much discussion seems to proceed from the assumption that all such philosophies must be made to fit within one of two boxes. Worse, in many discussions there also seems to be the opinion that all things are matters of political debate, even when the subject is one that is clearly beyond politics (such as science).

If I'm going to take any position it'll be this:
http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/12/13/sciencedebate2008/
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-mooney12dec12,0,2945719.story

PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:47 pm
by GhostontheNet
My own political views are best described as being somewhere on the Christian Socialist spectrum. In terms of the history of ideas and ideologies, these economic views automatically place me somewhere on the liberal spectrum. In terms of American political debate, my views are some mixture of positions associated with the left and the right while (in my view), glaring inadaquecies in the overall ethical, economic, and socio-political approaches of both major political parties lead me to distance myself from affiliation with them. Even so, my belief that major changes need to be made to our current socio-economic structure makes the moderate label inadequate to describe me, so I'll stick with the liberal label.