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I want to illuminate to you the pathetic-ness of this person on Sheezy Art!!

So, I submit a photorealism drawing to Sheezy Art and this one person out of nowhere leaves this comment:

PERSON: I'm sorry, but you expect people to believe you didn't put this on a different layer and then just colour over it? Ridiculous.

And I'm like...Okay? I'll try to respond politely to that.

ME: um...I guess I don't expect it anymore, because a few people have already accused me of photomanipulation. I've never actually done a photomanipulation though. (Except for my ID and icons I guess). Personally I think to create a new layer over a photo and color over it is incredibly boring! I've done lots of other realism drawings, and took a couple semesters of Photorealism and Figure Painting class, which really helped me with drawing figure and portraits.

PERSON: It's not photomanipulating. It's simply a psuedo-slick way of getting around copyright laws and claiming it as your own. Nothing more than that.

ME: Sorry, I guess I don't really know what photomanipulation is. I truly didn't draw over another photo. It's not like I want to claim the photo or the character or the movie as my own. I just like the process of photorealism, it's kind of like a calming thing, for me. And I know that many people post realism on places like SA and DA, so I thought I would too.

PERSON: If you take the original picture, open up a program that allows you to use layers, place the original photo on bottom and then your "drawing" on top and lower the opacity, everything fits perfectly. Just stop. It's bull.

ME: I DIDN'T DO THAT. Do you need me to send you the .oci file as proof or something? The file has ONE LAYER. I don't know how you can just automatically ASSUME that I cheated! Do you assume that about every photorealism piece that you see? ThePatches was right when she commented, "Work bigger! Don't just go with the size of the photo! Working HUGE and then scaling it down makes things sooo much easir because you don't have to do EVERY LITTLE DETAIL. Also, it keeps people from thinking you just trace the photo."

PERSON: You could've gone and deleted the other layer. I'm firmly stuck on the assumption that you simply traced it. That's not art. It's pathetic. Now stop replying.

ME: I know there's people like you out there. You jumped straight to conclusions about my drawing without knowing anything about me. You're never going to believe the truth, whatever anyone says. You can't accept that sometimes people are actually able to accomplish decent photorealisms. Above all, you're rude, after I tried to be polite. I'm honestly sorry if you had some experience in the past that caused you to become like this. I really don't care what your "firm assumptions" are anymore. I understand that you're that hard-headed. And yeah, you're right, I don't want to waste my time with you anymore.


omigosh! It makes me sad that people like this exist.

I just feel so angry that I can barely stand it >_< You can probably tell from the last paragraph, which was bad of me. Please pray for me so that I can deal with my anger...Anyway it just makes me sad that there are people like that.

I hope this is ok posted in General forum

I also posted this thing in my DA journal, if anyone watches it.

What a jerk. He probably has no artistic talent and is too moronic to admit some people do~
I'm sorry this happened to you. T_T

thanks for empathizing...;-; ... ~_~

kaze, you have awsome artistic skills. He won't change that by trying to bash you works.

I agree with the other comments made. I always think your drawings are photos at first XD

I don’t want to sound rude but I never would have thought that.
And the reason is your art is not perfect looking.

Case in point. Your picture of Elizabeth Swann was not perfect. Some of the shading was off and you know about the nose.

And another that was not a perfect replica was Yumehito.

But I’m not saying that your art isn’t wonderfully real looking. It’s just a little different then the photos that you look at.

And some of your work is much better then others.
Like your work on Jack Sparrow was very good.

It seems to me that the person antagonizing you must have no clue how to look at art.

I hope I didn’t offend you with my frank opinion.

PS my favorite work of yours was “The Day I Left.â€

And thats why I don't use sheezy art... well one of the reasons.

[quote="White Raven"]I don’t want to sound rude but I never would have thought that.
And the reason is your art is not perfect looking.

Case in point. Your picture of Elizabeth Swann was not perfect. Some of the shading was off and you know about the nose.

And another that was not a perfect replica was Yumehito.

But I’m not saying that your art isn’t wonderfully real looking. It’s just a little different then the photos that you look at.

And some of your work is much better then others.
Like your work on Jack Sparrow was very good.

It seems to me that the person antagonizing you must have no clue how to look at art.

I hope I didn’t offend you with my frank opinion.

PS my favorite work of yours was “The Day I Left.â€

mechana2015 wrote:And thats why I don't use sheezy art... well one of the reasons.

Yeah...There are really immature people there. DA is way better.

kaze wrote:You didn't offend me at all! I totally agree with you about everything. I appreciate everything you said

OK good

Some people can't handle really good artists. It could be worse. You could be Van Gogh. =P

In all seriousness, though, your work is excellent, and you do make it your own. Anyone mildly artistically inclined should be able to see that, but you should also be flattered that you're skilled enough to fool the ignorant masses. ^__~

Hey, btw, is your SA name the same as your DA one? I want to browse your gallery.

OOH yah! that IS annoying I like to draw some photorealism too (sorta..except I usually use regular pencisl and not digital..^^;)

I think this person is just Jealous of your mad photoreal skizzilss! ^_^

BTW Can you pm me your DA and SA names? I would really like to look at your stuffs! ^_^v

People like that are only seeking attention and just WANT you to reply to them so they can insult you some more. There's a big differenence between constructive critisicm and insulting someone's artwork.

Good grief, what a jerk! I was getting ticked off just reading their replies! But yes, I guess you do just have to feel sorry for people like that. Whenever I experience something similar, I try to tell myself the best thing I should do is just sit down and pray for them. It's hard though, lol.

I haven't seen your art before. Is it digital or on paper? If it's on paper you could refute this person quite easily by making either a photograph or a high resolution scan that showed beyond a doubt that the picture was done on paper instead of traced over a layer.

This does make me think about something, though. If an image is good, why does it matter if it was traced from a photograph? If people don't know how an image was created it doesn't matter if it was drawn freehand, traced from a photograph or created over fifty lifetimes from paints made from your own blood. The artist's effort is invisible until something enlightens the viewer. However, the viewer is frequently enlightened, either by their own knowledge of art techniques or by artists themselves who don't wish their efort to go unnoticed. The perception and value of the art undergoes dramatic transformations even though the art itself remains the same.

I have mixed feelings about this. Artistic effort is an art form in itself and deserves a degree of appreciation. However, when it comes to the crafting of pleasing images (especially in contexts where the producer and means of production are not readily identified) it is largely irrelevant and runs the risk of elevating mediocre or subpar products that are inefficient to create.

Sheesh, what a doofus... Unfortunatley I'm not allowed at SA anymore... Cover up the nude pictures already! X(

ARG >< thats annoying. darn these people and thier accusations

Dude that person makes me go 'urgh' >_<

But it is the risk with doing photorealism. I for one can tell that your images are painted, as they are way too loose, painterly and free to be manips. Manips tend to be quite stiff. But there does come a point where it gets so realistic that one does begin to question why they didn't take the faster route and just take a photograph. I used to always draw from photos but I've been getting out of the habit lately so as to avoid copyright issues.

A couple of years ago I went to enter a watercolor portrait into an art show and I had to go through alot of legalities because the painting was directly based off of a photo from National Geographic. That's why I now tend to avoid using photos. Even if I'm doing fanart, I tend to try to create my own poses so that I don't have to deal with those kind of issues. Drawing from photos is an excellent way to build skills, but it can get tricky ^^;

Take it as a compliment. You're very good!

But yes, he's very judgemental.

Kaze, you are an AWESOME artist. Try your best to let stuff like this just roll off your back, because it's not like you can change their mind once they've set it. Personally I just think they are just jealous of your talent. Heh, for that matter, I'M jealous!

I never once stopped to think it was a possibility that this was photomanipulation. For one who uses a computer for art myself, I guess I should've thought of it, but I just assumed you were an awesome artist. And I ain't backin' down from that!

Geez, what a freakin' jerk. You do excellent work, don't let somebody like that stop you or discourage you. More than likely they're just jealous.

I don't visit SA anymore because I don't do art anymore and because the community took a sharp turn downward

Cap'n Nick wrote:I haven't seen your art before. Is it digital or on paper? If it's on paper you could refute this person quite easily by making either a photograph or a high resolution scan that showed beyond a doubt that the picture was done on paper instead of traced over a layer.

This does make me think about something, though. If an image is good, why does it matter if it was traced from a photograph? If people don't know how an image was created it doesn't matter if it was drawn freehand, traced from a photograph or created over fifty lifetimes from paints made from your own blood. The artist's effort is invisible until something enlightens the viewer. However, the viewer is frequently enlightened, either by their own knowledge of art techniques or by artists themselves who don't wish their efort to go unnoticed. The perception and value of the art undergoes dramatic transformations even though the art itself remains the same.

I have mixed feelings about this. Artistic effort is an art form in itself and deserves a degree of appreciation. However, when it comes to the crafting of pleasing images (especially in contexts where the producer and means of production are not readily identified) it is largely irrelevant and runs the risk of elevating mediocre or subpar products that are inefficient to create.

The one they commented on was a digital realism, although I've done traditional too. I even offered to send the .oci file, which records everything you do while you're creating the drawing, even when you make/delete layers. But they're probably too stubborn to believe me pfft.

I see photorealism as a good way to practice drawing certain subjects, and doing realism of people has really helped me when I draw my own stuff. I agree with you, that the perception and value of a piece changes from person to person. This person on SA said that my drawing was not art because I traced it, even though I specifically said it was a photorealism don with a tablet and Open Canvas 3. So I guess to them, it had no value because they are not capable of believing me. I really haven't come to a conclusion (and I probably never will) about what art is, because it's so subjective. But as long as a person puts effort into creating something, I think it can be art. And even if it doesn't take too much effort, a person can create something for themselves, something that brings fulfilment or helps them in some way, and I think that can be worth it too.

TO AKA-CHAN: Yeah, my SA name is the same as DA~ Just curious, what happened to Van Gogh? I don't know too much about him...my only reference is the one bio movie with Kirk Douglas hehe.

kaze wrote:TO AKA-CHAN: Yeah, my SA name is the same as DA~ Just curious, what happened to Van Gogh? I don't know too much about him...my only reference is the one bio movie with Kirk Douglas hehe.

Okie~s! ^__^

I just meant how Van Gogh was pretty much totally rejected during his time (though he's know recognized as an utterly spectacular artist). I mean, at least the mass majority loves you and recognizes your skill!! Surely one horrid critic hating on you is something that could easily be made to...disappear... <.< >.> =P

kaze wrote:TO AKA-CHAN: Yeah, my SA name is the same as DA~ Just curious, what happened to Van Gogh? I don't know too much about him...my only reference is the one bio movie with Kirk Douglas hehe.

Basically, Van Gogh's art just wasn't appreciated at all until after he died. He had a super depressing life, and I THINK he died from drinking his paints...o_o But yeah, Van Gogh is one of my favorite artists; I never understood why no one liked his art...*shrugs*

But yeah, as to the topic of the thread, just a repeat of what I posted at DA yesterday. XD

That's weird...I thought he died shooting himself in a field?
Yeah...one thing I've realized from this is that I'm really lucky that so many people can appreciate my stuff, even if just one person decides to be really rude about it. T--T

I don't like deviantart because of the possibility of stumbling upon "Goku+Vegeta" homosexual fanart & then barfing because of it.

& Yeah, some people just like acting the role of a jerk on the net. They might believe you & still claim a different opinion just to argue with you & LOL at your exasperation.

EDIT: one more thing...

Wikipedia wrote:Van Gogh's depression deepened, and on July 27, 1890, at the age of 37, he walked into the fields and shot himself in the chest with a revolver. Without realising that he was fatally wounded, he returned to the Ravoux Inn, where he died in his bed two days later. Theo hastened to be at his side and reported his last words as "La tristesse durera toujours" (French for "the sadness will last forever"). He was buried at the cemetery of Auvers-sur-Oise.

Agent Anderson wrote:I don't like deviantart because of the possibility of stumbling upon "Goku+Vegeta" homosexual fanart & then barfing because of it.

& Yeah, some people just like acting the role of a jerk on the net. They might believe you & still claim a different opinion just to argue with you & LOL at your exasperation.

EDIT: one more thing...

Wikipedia wrote:Originally posted by Wikipedia:
Van Gogh's depression deepened, and on July 27, 1890, at the age of 37, he walked into the fields and shot himself in the chest with a revolver. Without realising that he was fatally wounded, he returned to the Ravoux Inn, where he died in his bed two days later. Theo hastened to be at his side and reported his last words as "La tristesse durera toujours" (French for "the sadness will last forever"). He was buried at the cemetery of Auvers-sur-Oise.

At first, I left DA to go to Sheezy, because I didn't think Sheezy would show as much nude art as DA did. I didn't really like Sheezy at all, though; it was too much like an LJ or whatever, where you have to customize everything. XD I also just didn't like the feel of the place, so I didn't stick around long. As for the homosexual art...Well, you can find that almost anywhere, so I just make a point not to look for it. XD

I remember one time when someone commented on a Photoshopped picture of mine, saying that it looked awful, and it was worse because it was done on the computer. O_o People like that grind on my last nerve (some of them just cut straight through it XD), but they are there, and sometimes you just have to deal with them in the best way possible. Whether that's ignoring them completely or setting them straight is a tough decision to make, though, especially for me.

About Van Gogh, I remember now. XD He did drink his paints once, but he didn't die from it. I had forgotten how he actually died, though.