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Well, at least I'm happy with my inevitable, yet temporary realizatino that those 3 passages are taken out of context...

It's been cloudy and rainy for a week, so once again, I point the blame squarely at a lack of sunlight...

....what is with the randomness? What three passages?!

CR ISH CONFIZZLED! (she is sleepy)

ChristianRonin wrote:....what is with the randomness? What three passages?!

CR ISH CONFIZZLED! (she is sleepy)

Never you mind, little Ronin...-_-

Which three passages are you talking about, Jon?

Yumie wrote:Which three passages are you talking about, Jon?

I'm too lazy to look up the exact place, but they were in Mark, Mathew, and Luke. The one where Jesus is asked about a woman with multiple husbands...

What do you mean, they're taken out of context? In what context were you looking at them?

Yumie wrote:What do you mean, they're taken out of context? In what context were you looking at them?

Well, people think it says that people don't reproduce or have families or romance in heaven... But, infact, all it says is no marriage. It just says the people of THIS age are born and given in marriage. Well, THIS age, implies that there are other ages before that. And I think he would have said "The people of this age bear children", but it doesn't say THAT...

Jon Clement wrote:It just says the people of THIS age are born and given in marriage. Well, THIS age, implies that there are other ages before that. And I think he would have said "The people of this age bear children", but it doesn't say THAT...

I believe that it's referring to the age to come, as in, in heaven, not as in ages past (which is how it seems to me that you are reading it.) And the reason that it doesn't mention people of this age bearing children is because the question isn't about children, it's about marriage. So, for Jesus to have expounded on child-birth would have been a bit irrelevant to those He was addressing.

Yumie wrote:I believe that it's referring to the age to come, as in, in heaven, not as in ages past (which is how it seems to me that you are reading it.) And the reason that it doesn't mention people of this age bearing children is because the question isn't about children, it's about marriage. So, for Jesus to have expounded on child-birth would have been a bit irrelevant to those He was addressing.

Well, there you go. He never actually SAID anything about it.

Man, you gotta chill! Stuff like romance is wonderful to have on earth, but in Heaven, there will be much, much better things. When you're there, you won't even care about it. I think you're missing that. Once we're all there, anything that seemed wonderful on earth really won't matter, because we'll have something worth so much more.

It's like, which would you rather want, to hunch over your Nintendo DS or hang out with God? GOD! Dude, He created the universe. And Someone who created the whole UNIVERSE is bound to be way more exciting and thrilling and fulfilling than any human, man, woman or child.

It's like, which would you rather want, to hunch over your Nintendo DS or hang out with God? GOD! Dude, He created the universe. And Someone who created the whole UNIVERSE is bound to be way more exciting and thrilling and fulfilling than any human, man, woman or child.

Amen. I have nothing to add to that or what Joshua said. Read my last post in the the other thread though.

Is this the passage where the Sadducees, who do not believe in the resurrection think of this marriage problem in order to trap Jesus?

If so, Jesus answered them for the purpose of refuting their misunderstandings about the resurrection and the nature of marriage.

If this isn't the passage, ignore what I've just typed.

[SPOILER]This thread will probably get closed[/SPOILER]

I dunno dude... I can't really respond to your thoughts Jon, because your determined to not believe what I'll say. The fact is, our connection in heaven won't be the same as on earth. That's pretty much all I can say that you aren't going to be able to try and refute.

It's like, which would you rather want, to hunch over your Nintendo DS or hang out with God? GOD! Dude, He created the universe. And Someone who created the whole UNIVERSE is bound to be way more exciting and thrilling and fulfilling than any human, man, woman or child.

My thoughts exactly!

18 Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 19 "Teacher," they said, "Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and have children for his brother. 20 Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died without leaving any children. 21 The second one married the widow, but he also died, leaving no child. It was the same with the third. 22 In fact, none of the seven left any children. Last of all, the woman died too. 23 At the resurrection whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?" 24 Jesus replied, "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 26 Now about the dead rising--have you not read in the book of Moses, in the account of the bush, how God said to him, 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"

Look. This says nothing about "this age." Nothing about "past and future." Just one simply question and one simple answer: Who will a woman who married a man be married to in heaven? The answer-- NO ONE! They will not be married in heaven. I don't see how on earth this can be taken out of context. . .

You can just believe what you want to believe, or you can look at what Jesus said without searching desperately for hole and loop holes. This is what he said. We can either take it or reject it.

Well, I might as well reject it because it's only going to break my brain if I don't...

Jon Clement wrote:Well, I might as well reject it because it's only going to break my brain if I don't...

Only if you let it. You could very easily choose to accept that there are so many things bigger than even your wildest dreams of heaven. Remember, God invented sexuality. If he says heaven is better than that, why on earth would you want to reject that?

Furthermore, if you reject God's word and the promise of eternity given through Christ Jesus-- how is there a heaven? How can there be "eternal romance" if there is no heaven? If there's no heaven, as you suggestion of rejection would indicate, then why are you so obsessed with this idea?

You can't pick and choose what you want in the Bible.

Jon Clement wrote:Well, I might as well reject it because it's only going to break my brain if I don't...

The thing that's going to "break your brain" is doing nothing but sitting around and dwelling on the subject ALL the time. I've not posted anything on the topic up till this point, but now I think I have something to say.

When you came to this site several weeks ago, you posted what seemed to be a cry for help. That cry was met with TONS of posts by the members, all of which were caring, understanding, and extremely helpful. However, after they all reached out to you, you seemed to refuse their helping hands. With each new thread you make about this certian topic of marriage (or lack thereof) and relationships in heaven, I'm seeing this reoccurring cycle--You post a cry for help, the members come to your aid, and you do nothing but reject what they are saying. It's obvious that the members of this site are willing to help you in any way possible, and when they offer you truth, you continue to refuse it, as you have in what I have quoted above. Why do you even ask for help if all you're going to do is say that you "might as well reject it"? If you choose not to believe what we are saying, then do you expect us to tell you that what you believe is true? I honestly don't understand your reasons for doing this]....what is with the randomness? What three passages?!

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Why did you even bother making this thread if you aren't going to explain anything to those who are willing to try and help you? We can't read your mind, Jon, we can only understand what's going on if you're going to tell us. Maybe I'm totally wrong here, and I'm sorry if I am, but it just seems like you don't really even want our help. This same circle of events has repeated itself over and over for the past few weeks, and I think it's about time you started either accepting what we tell you, or stop asking for us to tell you you're right.

Sorry if what I said seemed harsh, but I honestly think that, if you intend to start feeling better, you're going to have to take the advice given to you. I'll be praying.

[quote="Radical Dreamer"]The thing that's going to "break your brain" is doing nothing but sitting around and dwelling on the subject ALL the time. I've not posted anything on the topic up till this point, but now I think I have something to say.

When you came to this site several weeks ago, you posted what seemed to be a cry for help. That cry was met with TONS of posts by the members, all of which were caring, understanding, and extremely helpful. However, after they all reached out to you, you seemed to refuse their helping hands. With each new thread you make about this certian topic of marriage (or lack thereof) and relationships in heaven, I'm seeing this reoccurring cycle--You post a cry for help, the members come to your aid, and you do nothing but reject what they are saying. It's obvious that the members of this site are willing to help you in any way possible, and when they offer you truth, you continue to refuse it, as you have in what I have quoted above. Why do you even ask for help if all you're going to do is say that you "might as well reject it"? If you choose not to believe what we are saying, then do you expect us to tell you that what you believe is true? I honestly don't understand your reasons for doing this]

Oh, no, you're not being harsh...

You see, the problem isn't this issue itself... The problem is...


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I'M A NUTTY COO COO HEAD!

Jon Clement wrote:Oh, no, you're not being harsh...

You see, the problem isn't this issue itself... The problem is...


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I'M A NUTTY COO COO HEAD!

Um, what exactly do you mean by that?

Jon Clements. I seems that you are asking for help, yet refuse to accept help unless it's something that you agree with. Because the help you want is something that you don't want to accept, you deny the only help you're able to get.

You gotta face reality man.

Jon Clement wrote:It's been cloudy and rainy for a week, so once again, I point the blame squarely at a lack of sunlight...

It would be off topic, but I think I understand part of the problem here. While you are working through the idea of marriage and eternity, Jon, you seem to indicate that you are going through mood shifts based on the weather or other external factors. You have questions which are aggrevated by your moods, which is not an uncommon occurance. This makes it really difficult for people online when they try to talk with you, you post in an emotional slump which we don't know about, and almost anything we say will be countered by your emotions or your feelings. I may be wrong, and I apologize if I am, but it sounds like you simply need to take a break from discussing this in any case, and it would be even more important if you keep talking about the subject because of mood swings. Your constant obsessing over the subject might be part of any mood shifts, so I would suggest you simply stop discussing the subject. At this point you continuously bring up "loopholes" and problems to try and prove your point of view, yet you speak as if you want advice and want us to prove otherwise. This says to me that you have simply obsessed over the topic for far too long and you need to move on. Take some time, think about other things, find a good book or something, and make sure to focus on other topics, even when this bothers you. After a few weeks things should get better, and if this still bothers you you can come back and look at it again, but for now I would suggest you take a step back. Then, when you have calmed down and stopped obsessing about the issue, you can take what you know and what you've been told and digest it rather than searching for ways to prove what you want to think.

That's a good suggestion, Puritan.

Although, I'm with Osaka-- I would like to request that you explain your comment about being a "nutty coo coo head." Primarily because, it makes it seem as though you're very serious about this subject, and people take the time to answer you seriously. . . and then you blow them off? Not that there's anything wrong with making a joke, but it's hard to interpret. So, would you please explain what you meant?

Jon Clement wrote:Oh, no, you're not being harsh...

You see, the problem isn't this issue itself... The problem is...

I'M A NUTTY COO COO HEAD!

So we shouldn't bother posting then? Thanks.

Seiriously, though... I seem to exibit signs of bi-polar...

you should probably go get that checked then..

glitch1501 wrote:you should probably go get that checked then..

Ya, I want to go see a shrink as soon as possible... When I start to want to cross-dress, the line has been crossed...

Jon Clement wrote:Ya, I want to go see a shrink as soon as possible... When I start to want to cross-dress, the line has been crossed...

That might not be bi-polar disorder though.

Also, yes. I think scheduling a visit with a psychiatrist might be a helpful idea. Even better, a christian psychiatrist.

Jon, enough. If you want to discuss this matter anymore, then PM someone who has expressed an interest in this topic on your several threads about this exact same topic. If anyone wants to discuss this with Jon, then feel free to PM him.

Otherwise, this thread is closed. If you start another thread along these lines again, it will also be closed. It's time to move on.