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Have you ever anointed you home?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:12 pm
by ~Natsumi Lam~
Have you ever gone around your home with oil and anointed it?
What do you use?
--> I have, and i use cooking oil... haha pan spray works too, but it makes a mess and in Phx[110 temp heat] it prepares the walls for cooking.
~Natsumi Lam~
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:20 pm
by ShiroiHikari
My mother used to do it with olive oil.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:21 pm
by Nate
Nope, probably bad for the paint, and if I slip and fall I don't want my hand to hit a greasy wall.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:23 pm
by ~Natsumi Lam~
kaemmerite wrote:Nope, probably bad for the paint, and if I slip and fall I don't want my hand to hit a greasy wall.
i mean only with oil on you finger... ahah not pan spray... i was joking about that.. hahah
~NL~
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:26 pm
by Nate
Oh. XD;;
*is obviously unfamiliar with the process*
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:28 pm
by Shao Feng-Li
And the point of that is...?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:35 pm
by ~Natsumi Lam~
[quote="kaemmerite"]Oh. XD]
oh... i thought everyone knew.... i will explain it.
WHo: you or someone who is a member of your house.
What: Taking oil/ or for some denominations holy water and [while praying] going around your house and basically marking your territory in the spiritual world... for exmple " In Jesus name i proclaim this is a house that serves Jesus, 'for me and my house serve the Lord'. Just stating to the powers of darkness, principlities... and so on that this is God's house. " For we fight not against flesh and blood but agaist .... evil in high places." [Note: if you dont have a christian house, you can do it to your room"] Just remember that when you do that you are setting it as Gods place, so dont defile Gods place.
When: Whenever you feel prompted, and/or something has caused the prayer/ anointing to be lifted... for example if someone practices witchcraft in your house without you knowing and you kick them out... i would do it after that.
Where: house, or your area if your whole house isnt christian... i personally would do it over my whole house even if it isnt Christian because " where you are, God makes that area His"[Crystal Version
].
Why: To make a stand that it is God's and not any other force. [no not star wars either
]. It is a physical and verbal proclimation of God's lawful right to be there.
~NL~
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:37 pm
by Slater
well, I haven't heard of this process before either, but my educated guess is that the oil represents the Holy Spirit (like it does in the Bible) and that doing this oil thing is a symbol that the Holy Ghost is who haunts your house.
(Note, I say it that way because I often try witnessing to people who have unfriendly spirits haunting their own houses. I say to them that the Holy Ghost haunts my house and that there is no vacancy for any others
)
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:41 pm
by ShiroiHikari
I think it's kind of like anointing the sick...? Maybe that's where it comes from? Because I've heard of it before, my old church used to do it.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:41 pm
by ~Natsumi Lam~
[quote="frwl"]well, I haven't heard of this process before either, but my educated guess is that the oil represents the Holy Spirit (like it does in the Bible) and that doing this oil thing is a symbol that the Holy Ghost is who haunts your house.
(Note, I say it that way because I often try witnessing to people who have unfriendly spirits haunting their own houses. I say to them that the Holy Ghost haunts my house and that there is no vacancy for any others ]
Yea thats a way to put it. Its like anointing people that the bible speaks about... but on a bigger level. I just like seeing the physical oil mark on the walls... kinda like on the pass over with the lambs blood on the door.. kinda a symbol of God's presence and his grace.
I like the way you say it though.
~NL~
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:54 pm
by Mave
Nope, never done it. I guess we never had to (Praise God).
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:08 pm
by shooraijin
It would probably violate my lease.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:11 pm
by Shao Feng-Li
Umm, where is this in scripture? I haven't read anything like this. And how might it become a need?
[EDIT]I now know it's Penticostal/Charismatic. Hmm. I used to be Pentacostal. Odd, I've never heard of it before. Intersting. It sounded like a Roman Catholic thing to me. (Well, perhaps the using of "holy water" is infulence.)
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:16 pm
by Nate
Shao Feng-Li wrote::eyebrow: Umm, where is this in scripture? I haven't read anything like this.
Shiroi mentioned that the Bible says to anoint a sick member with oil and pray over him...I haven't heard anything about the house thing, though (which is why I knew nothing about it, it isn't in Scripture).
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:21 pm
by ~Natsumi Lam~
i never said it was a necessity.
it is from 1. anointing people --> anoint house 2. passover
some denominations just choose to do it.
no specific place in bible... it is not a necessity just an option of choice.
Neither right nor wrong.
~NL~
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:30 pm
by Saint Kevin
It's interesting for me to note that the overwhelming majority of passages that deal with anointing are in the Old Testament. They occasionally exist where a person spontaneously anoints an altar as an act of worship to the Lord, or as the traditional way of making public someone's authority. Kings of Israel were anointed, for example.
The most common reference to the anointing process seems to be a command from the Lord himself toward the people of Israel. I respect that. He is God and made it clear on many occasions in the Old Testament that He would not be mocked, and would be worshipped on HIS terms, not others terms. Most of the very detailed and very carefully observed rituals in the Old Testament seem to be specific to the Jewish people, and shouldn't be enforced upon the modern church (although modern saints can certainly observe as many of those commands as wish, so long as are sincere acts of personal worship, and not an effort designed to improve our standing before the almighty). Doing good works, or adhering to any ritual practices should never be seen as something that can earn our salvation, as it is over and over again stated that the blood of Christ was enough to affect our salvation. All that to ask the question: What place ought anointing have for a believer these days?
I can see it being useful for a really only one reason, and that is to anoint the sick and pray for them.
James 5:14 Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord
Some could argue that the use of oil in those days was simply another medical technique, and truthfully I am not decided on that matter.
I do know, though, that anointing is almost always for people, not places. The only places or structures I've seen anointed are altars and the Temple in the Old Testament.
This is just my opinion, but I don't think people should run around anointing everything they have. If, however, they feel especially led to set something apart for God, I have no problem with it.
That's it. Gotta get to lab. Grace and peace to you all.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:31 pm
by Nate
~Natsumi Lam~ wrote: 2. passover
Er, at the risk of being too detail oriented, anointing your house with oil is a bit different for two reasons:
1. They used lamb's blood, not oil.
2. The blood was used to protect the house from the spirit of GOD. Not demons. Remember, GOD was the one going through the city killing the firstborn. The blood was a sign to God that this house was to be "passed over." It was NOT protection against demons, so that isn't a valid support for anointing a house with oil.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:32 pm
by Shao Feng-Li
Ahh, then the oil is merely an outward symbol(at least I hope so). Just as... baptizm. In of itself it's just oil or water.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:35 pm
by ~Natsumi Lam~
Saint Kevin wrote:It's interesting for me to note that the overwhelming majority of passages that deal with anointing are in the Old Testament. They occasionally exist where a person spontaneously anoints an altar as an act of worship to the Lord, or as the traditional way of making public someone's authority. Kings of Israel were anointed, for example.
The most common reference to the anointing process seems to be a command from the Lord himself toward the people of Israel. I respect that. He is God and made it clear on many occasions in the Old Testament that He would not be mocked, and would be worshipped on HIS terms, not others terms. Most of the very detailed and very carefully observed rituals in the Old Testament seem to be specific to the Jewish people, and shouldn't be enforced upon the modern church (although modern saints can certainly observe as many of those commands as wish, so long as are sincere acts of personal worship, and not an effort designed to improve our standing before the almighty). Doing good works, or adhering to any ritual practices should never be seen as something that can earn our salvation, as it is over and over again stated that the blood of Christ was enough to affect our salvation. All that to ask the question: What place ought anointing have for a believer these days?
I can see it being useful for a really only one reason, and that is to anoint the sick and pray for them.
James 5:14 Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord
Some could argue that the use of oil in those days was simply another medical technique, and truthfully I am not decided on that matter.
I do know, though, that anointing is almost always for people, not places. The only places or structures I've seen anointed are altars and the Temple in the Old Testament.
This is just my opinion, but I don't think people should run around anointing everything they have. If, however, they feel especially led to set something apart for God, I have no problem with it.
That's it. Gotta get to lab. Grace and peace to you all.
yes. I agree. Except david was anointed with oil... it is a symbolic transfer of authority at Gods calling. AKA God anointing you to that calling. David was not sick. And as far as anointing a sick guy.. it is a symbol also. Usually covering or on the fourhead.
Yes the bible speaks a lot about anointing alters and temples.
~NL~
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:39 pm
by ~Natsumi Lam~
i never said the passover had to do with demons.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:40 pm
by ~Natsumi Lam~
Shao Feng-Li wrote:Ahh, then the oil is merely an outward symbol(at least I hope so). Just as... baptizm. In of itself it's just oil or water.
yes.
~NL~
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:41 pm
by Shao Feng-Li
It's interesting for me to note that the overwhelming majority of passages that deal with anointing are in the Old Testament. They occasionally exist where a person spontaneously anoints an altar as an act of worship to the Lord, or as the traditional way of making public someone's authority. Kings of Israel were anointed, for example.
Of the old testiment it seems to be used differently.It just seems differnt in the TN.
A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight.
The man's eyes were "anointed" with mud and not even made from oil.
1 John 2:27 wrote: But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:43 pm
by Shao Feng-Li
Natsuma Lam wrote:yes.
Oh good.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:49 pm
by starfire
My mom annointed our old house a long time ago. I was really little so I didn't get it! I think it's a good thing to do, though. But even if you don't, I don't think it means that God's blessing isn't on your house.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:50 pm
by ~Natsumi Lam~
Shao Feng-Li wrote:
The man's eyes were "anointed" with mud and not even made from oil.
a symbol. It is not " power in the mud... but power it the Blood" haha im so funny.
~NL~
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:04 pm
by Shao Feng-Li
Oh yes you are, lol. Yup a symbol. I was just pointing out that anointing doesn't require oil. Heh. Just making sure I'm covering everything at least for my sake.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:38 pm
by Scribs
I had never befor heard of this. I have no problem with others doing it, but I personally probably never wil, because I have seen no biblical basis for it. Of couse as a presbyterian/reformed baptist I am on the other side of the theological spectrum, so that probably affects my mindset towards it.
On a side note, I find it really great that this forum is a place where people from all sorts of denominations are able to come together and discuss all manners of things in a non confrontational way.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:01 am
by Hephzibah
The way I have viewed it, annointing something in oil (aside from being sick) is to set it apart for holy use; to sanctify or consecrate. Taking such a stance, it could be supposed that by annointing your house you are setting it apart for God's will; eg that it will be a sanctuary, a place of peace.
Anyway, I think my mum has annointed the house; if not she certainly has prayed through it.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:23 am
by bigsleepj
First time I heard it too. Its not something a lot of us would do - coming from a conservative church system. It is an interesting thought though - I wont do it but it is something to think about.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:27 am
by Warrior 4 Jesus
I haven't done it but we had a good church friend do it. The oil in itself isn't special but represent God's power over Satan. I thought it was bit of a weird practise when she was doing it and was a little freaked out. But now I understand it. Still an odd thing to do.